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self-determined belief system/process of how to get close to God.

As opposed to going to a church and hearing "WE will tell you what to believe and if you don't do what we say you'll burn in hell" as they force feed false doctrine to people

Yeah, I'll pass. Thanks but no thanks.

Let's not forget that God warns in His Word that deception is widespread in the end times and we're there now!
 

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As opposed to going to a church and hearing "WE will tell you what to believe and if you don't do what we say you'll burn in hell" as they force feed false doctrine to people...
Some background, please?

What kind of churches have you been exposed to that left you with such scars?
 

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It seems that you are missing what I was stating about the state of the "churches" today. I was stating what the problem actually was.

You are playing the "Bible/with scripture" card to shore up your argument of what needs to be done.

Our problems stem from the misuse of scripture to justify their self-determined belief system/process of how to get close to God.

One example that is prevalent is peoples understanding that Christ's to parables about what the seventh age will be like is that they believe that the man who goes away for a kingdom is Christ, whereas Christ was confirming that Satan and his cohorts would go away for a time, nominally for 1,000 years, after which they would be released for a little while period when they will try to overturn the hearts of the people away from God. This fragrant misunderstanding of what was actually said by Christ is just one example of how far the "church" has moved away from God's foundational stone that we, the Church, should believe.

But too many on this forum use these two parables to justify their need to "work at" bring in God's Everlasting Kingdom whereas all that God requires of each of us is to simply just worship Him. The process by which we can achieve this has become so mixed up in the word salads that people use, we are now further from God than we were 100 years ago.

How many commentators tell us that the Seventh Bowl Judgement unfolded mainly during the 20th century and that the result of the two world wars would be a falling away of the Saints from God's word.

Shalom

God, give me the strength to make them see...



Wait a second.

Do you even realize what you just did?

You literally took one of Jesus’ own parables — where He describes Himself as the nobleman who goes away to receive a kingdom and return (Luke 19:12) — and then claimed that nobleman is Satan.

That’s not just bad theology.

That’s calling Jesus Satan.

You’ve inverted the entire parable — where the King is now the enemy, and the enemy is now the King.

Jesus said, “The Son of Man is like…”
And you responded, “No, that’s the Devil.”

Do you grasp the weight of that?

That’s not just confusion — that’s inversion theology.
That’s Isaiah 5:20 in action: “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil…”

And that, my friend, is exactly what Scofieldism does to people:
It scrambles the covenants, fractures the Gospel,
and blinds the eyes of both Jew and Gentile until they’re reading the words of Christ…
and seeing Satan.

Repent.

The Gospel doesn’t need Scofield’s footnotes from the pit.
And Jesus doesn’t need to be re-cast as the villain in His own parables.

And here’s the wildest part:

It’s not just you.

It’s the misled Jewish Scofield converts.
It’s the misled evangelical prophecy addicts.
It’s both groups — supposedly opposed — now holding hands around the same lie:

That the nobleman returning to judge
is the enemy.

Let that sink in.

Two sides of a religious coin —
some looking to a temple, others to a rapture —
have landed on the same blasphemous conclusion:

That Jesus is the villain,
that the King is the deceiver,
that the One who comes in glory…
is actually the one who comes to destroy.

That’s not "prophecy".

That’s apostasy.


You’ve swapped the throne for the abyss,
traded the Bridegroom for the Beast,
and rewritten the red letters with Scofield’s corrupted pen from Hell.

This isn’t a doctrinal disagreement.

It’s a shared delusion so deep, so bold,
that it proves the strong delusion is already here —
and it’s not the atheists who fell for it.
Oh no...

It’s the ones who claim to follow the King.
It’s the ones still sitting in pews, waving flags, quoting verses, and waiting for the kingdom…

While unknowingly calling the returning Christ — Satan.

The OP asked: “How can we fix the church?” LOL, wow...


Here’s a good start:
How about.. I dunno...

Stop teaching the flock that Jesus Christ is the Devil?????????

That'd probably be a good start..

And maybe, just maybe…

Return to the Gospel.
Not the Zionist brochure.
Not the Scofield study guide.
Not your end-times, evangelical fan fiction.

The Gospel.

Christ crucified.
Christ risen.
Christ returning.
As King.
Not as enemy.

Because if the nobleman in the parable is Satan to you…

Then you’re not following Jesus at all.
 
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God, give me the strength to make them see...



Wait a second.

Do you even realize what you just did?

You literally took one of Jesus’ own parables — where He describes Himself as the nobleman who goes away to receive a kingdom and return (Luke 19:12) — and then claimed that nobleman is Satan.

That’s not just bad theology.

That’s calling Jesus Satan.

You’ve inverted the entire parable — where the King is now the enemy, and the enemy is now the King.

That is not my doing. That is the likes of you who have inserted Jesus into the Parable. Does Jesus tell us anywhere else in His Gospels that He will give His good and faithful servants money to go out into the world to make disciples of all of the people we will meet?

I have not found that yet in any of the Gospels. The Parable of the Minas and the Talents are basically the same parable told to two different audiences.

Jesus said, “The Son of Man is like…”
And you responded, “No, that’s the Devil.”

Do you grasp the weight of that?

That’s not just confusion — that’s inversion theology.
That’s Isaiah 5:20 in action: “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil…”

This is how the NKJV reads for the start of this parable:-
1751086808849.pngPlease note that the words, "the kingdom of heaven is" is highlighted in a different colour to indicate that these words do not appear in the Greek texts but have been added here.

In my interlinear copy of Matt 25:14: -

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Plese note that the phrase you say is in the translation you quoted does not appear in my interlinear.

And that, my friend, is exactly what Scofieldism does to people:
It scrambles the covenants, fractures the Gospel,
and blinds the eyes of both Jew and Gentile until they’re reading the words of Christ…
and seeing Satan.

Repent.

The Gospel doesn’t need Scofield’s footnotes from the pit.
And Jesus doesn’t need to be re-cast as the villain in His own parables.

And here’s the wildest part:

It’s not just you.

It’s the misled Jewish Scofield converts.
It’s the misled evangelical prophecy addicts.
It’s both groups — supposedly opposed — now holding hands around the same lie:

That the nobleman returning to judge
is the enemy.

Let that sink in.

Two sides of a religious coin —
some looking to a temple, others to a rapture —
have landed on the same blasphemous conclusion:

That Jesus is the villain,
that the King is the deceiver,
that the One who comes in glory…
is actually the one who comes to destroy.

That’s not "prophecy".

That’s apostasy.


You’ve swapped the throne for the abyss,
traded the Bridegroom for the Beast,
and rewritten the red letters with Scofield’s corrupted pen from Hell.

This isn’t a doctrinal disagreement.

It’s a shared delusion so deep, so bold,
that it proves the strong delusion is already here —
and it’s not the atheists who fell for it.
Oh no...

It’s the ones who claim to follow the King.
It’s the ones still sitting in pews, waving flags, quoting verses, and waiting for the kingdom…

While unknowingly calling the returning Christ — Satan.

The OP asked: “How can we fix the church?” LOL, wow...


Here’s a good start:
How about.. I dunno...

Stop teaching the flock that Jesus Christ is the Devil?????????

That'd probably be a good start..

And maybe, just maybe…

Return to the Gospel.
Not the Zionist brochure.
Not the Scofield study guide.
Not your end-times, evangelical fan fiction.

The Gospel.

Christ crucified.
Christ risen.
Christ returning.
As King.
Not as enemy.

Because if the nobleman in the parable is Satan to you…

Then you’re not following Jesus at all.

Your rant here you are directing at yourself and not me, because you are the one who is saying that we should view this parable to be all about Jesus, whereas Jesus is describing what will be happening during the last age/generation.

All that you have done is to confirm what I had posted. "Teachers" teaching what they do not understand claiming that they are teaching the "Gospel Truth," but in reality, they are lies and trying to spiritualise the Gospel accounts as if all of the parables are "Christ" centred which they are not.

The sad thing is that many "Christian" teachers do not convey what the Scriptures convey and add to the story to jazz it up a little bit more.

You stated that I should repent for posting falsehood on this forum, yet, I have shown that I did not.

I have this same problem with the Pastor of the church that I attend. He does not let the facts of the Gospel get in the way of his story telling. He too has the same understanding as you of what Jesus was saying in this parable.

He has a problem with me because I am calling him to account because of his false understanding of what the scriptures tell us.

On the other hand, he has a heart to bless the people in other ways.

Shalom
 

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It claims Israel.
It transfers the title deed to Christ — and to those in Him.
Not by bloodline, not by Torah.
But by the cross.
I believe that was precisely what I was saying.
Jesus Himself proclaimed Himself as the true vine, in fulfilment of Ps 80:8 which applied to the nation.
So now the mantle and authority once bestowed upon the nation has been given to Jesus. Jesus is the essence of true Israel. He only has the right to bear the name for He only has prevailed with sin and overcome. Jesus walked over the same ground that Israel walked, but came through victorious. In His temptations in the wilderness, it was appetite that came under particular scrutiny.
And yes, the scrutiny over appetite is absolutely valid. It isn't sidetracking or deviating. It's a God driven challenge to overcome the flesh.
This isn’t about who “rules” or “overcomes appetite.”
It’s about who follows the Son.
“Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. ”
1 Corinthians 10:31 KJV

Note the state of the church in our day...

From Jesus...

“9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. ”
Matthew 24:9-14 KJV

Paul, in his letter to Timothy, filled in some details...

“1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. ”
2 Timothy 3:1-5 KJV

He said, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God. He's talking about the church here. Not the world, for the world doesn't claim to be godly. It's the church that claims goodness, but denies it's power to actually change lives. Three church claims to live by the Spirit, but indulges appetite without restraint, having no self control, even teaching they can eat and drink anything because God has blessed it.
I'm reminded of Balak and Baalam. Baalam was not happy to miss out on rewards for cursing Israel, so tried to convince God to bless his treachery. Today, the church teaches licence to sin because we are "under grace". Thinking that embracing a diet that poisons the temple of the holy Spirit brings glory to God.
This is not off topic. Numerous men of God tested in scripture had to overcome appetite before they could grow. And their failure to overcome diet resulted in the downfall of many. Even though they knew the truth. Self control. The Bible calls it temperance.
 
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Ok, since we’re already on the subject of “how to fix the church” — you know, besides not calling Jesus Satan anymore.. (so I mean, yea, get that fixed first of course)

Now..

Let’s talk about how deeply these demons have played you.

Jesus never said the righteous would be the ones “taken” like in the rapture fantasy.

He said the wicked would be swept away, just like in the days of Noah.

“As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man…
…they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away.
That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.”

(Matthew 24:37–39)

So one more time... Jesus never said the righteous would be the ones “taken” like in the rapture fantasy.

“…they (the wicked) knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away.
That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.”

(Matthew 24:37–39)

And what did Scofield and his demons at the Oxford press do with that?

They twisted it into a Disney cruise line for Christians —
where the misled saints get a first-class ticket off the earth into the Gates of HELL,
while the wicked stay behind to inherit the world.

Congratulations, you just reversed the Flood.
You made the wicked the chosen ones,
and the righteous the ones who vanish.

How did you even fall for this?

Let me spell it out for you:
The only "rapture" the Dragon has planned for you…
is the wall of flames that hits your church windows
right when the nuke drops during WWIII.

That’s it.

There’s no secret flight to Heaven while the Jews rebuild a Temple.
There’s no seven-year popcorn tribulation binge from the skybox.
There’s just judgment
and a whole bunch of believers
who gave their brain to Scofield
and their soul to a political prophecy cult.

And what’s wild?

The people pushing this aren’t even atheists or Satanists.

They’re churchgoers.

They’ve got Bibles, bumper stickers,
and a 9-foot painting of white Jesus riding an F-35 over Jerusalem.

They think God’s gonna airlift them out with Kirk Cameron
right when He returns to reward the faithful and judge the wicked.

You know… like He said He would…
just like the days of Noah.

But in your version?

God floods the righteous —
and saves the Nephilim.

Bravo.

You’ve managed to Scofieldify the Second Coming into a Marvel movie,
where the bad guys win Earth,
the Church evacuates like cowards,
and Jesus gets demoted to a post-credits scene.

This isn’t just “bad doctrine.”

It’s end-times fan fiction for spiritually lobotomized and misled, Western Christians
who think Bible prophecy is an episode of Left Behind meets Duck Dynasty,
with Kirk Cameron riding a Rose Parade float dressed like Duck McScrooge,
throwing Temple coins to the crowd while the Antichrist cuts the ribbon on the Third Temple behind him.

This isn’t the Gospel.
It’s Zionist-sponsored apocalyptic theater
with a Scofield study guide and a Chick tract for intermission.
It's complete insanity.
God is in heaven with His face in his hands in absolute disbelief that you're buying into this garbage.

And the tragedy?

They’re not watching it.
They’re in it.

And they still don’t know who the villain is.

Here’s a tip:

If your eschatology ends with Jesus losing,
you didn’t read the Bible —
you read the Scofield screenplay.

Return to the Word.
Not the one with "notes".
Not the one with "timelines".
Not the one with Israeli flags between every book.

The actual Word.

Where Christ doesn’t evacuate His Bride
He returns for her.

Where the wicked don’t “take over the Earth” —
they get removed.

And where the saints don’t “fly away” —
they inherit the kingdom.

“The meek shall inherit the Earth.”

Not “escape it.”
So yeah…

Fix the church??????

Maybe start by realizing the greatest trick the Devil ever pulled…
was convincing millions of Christians
that when Jesus returns to rule the nations…
they should be gone.

That make sense to you?

It shouldn't...


They’ve been tricked into Hell.

Convinced that being “taken” like the wicked in Noah’s day is their blessed hope.
Convinced that fleeing the Earth is more holy than inheriting it.
Convinced that when Christ returns to reign,
they’re supposed to be gone

While the Dragon’s servants —
the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, false prophets, and Temple rebuilders —get to stay behind and play god over the ruins
when they come out of their underground bunkers.
probably start wearing Pharaoh hats again.
Marching through the ashes like they’re gods of a new world —
while the real King splits the sky. (And oh, how I would love to see that)

The Evangelicals have been handed a lie forged in the fires of Zionist propaganda,
signed by Scofield’s corpse,
and wrapped in a ribbon of patriotic idolatry…

And they called it Christianity.

They didn’t just miss the Ark…

They boarded the
wrong one.

The S.S. Gates of Hell
departing daily
for the Dragon’s womb,
with Scofield & Lord Rothschild as cruise directors,
Kirk Cameron in a captain’s hat,
and a Zionist flag flying high from the mast.

It sails proudly toward judgment,
blaring worship music,
handing out prophecy charts,
and promising salvation…

while charting a course
straight into the Lake of Fire.


^ Might wanna, you know.. Fix your flock here as well.... so they end up on the right Ark.
 
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If churches are failing, how can they be improved?

* Reevaluate the Agenda of mans Church Organization.

* Consider Preaching what God wants the attendees To HEAR, rather than What the attendees wants to HEAR.
( Appears the focus is staunchly on trying to MAKE the attendees FEEL GOOD about themselves, deflecting from, God feeling GOOD about them.)

* Consider Preaching Scripture IS a True Book Of KNOWLEDGE, “A complete Guide of Point by Point.” TO DO THIS (expect THIS Result), Do THAT (expect that result).
(IOW - ANY individual can Freely Choose TO Follow the Scriptural GUIDE step by step…
To Be WITH God “or” Be AGAINST God.

* AGAIN Consider Preaching … Scripture IS KNOWLEDGE… and Gods INTERPRETATION of Scripture and Gods UNDERSTANDING of Scripture “expressly Comes FROM God”… NOT men.

* Consider…greater emphasis on:
- Reading Scripture…
- Verifying IN Scripture WHAT they Hear.
- Reading Scripture…
- Praying TO The Lord God for His Interpretation, His Understanding of His Word.

Simple things, Daily, Routinely, Pleasing, Glorifying to God, Rather than backing patting oneself, for a fashion show, being entertained, for a two hour gathering once a week.

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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If you were a leader in the church tasked with restructuring and improving its architecture and format.

WWYD?

Are there significant improvements churches can make in the modern era with the advent of the internet, smart phones and social media?


Isn't ever going to happen. What I mean by that is that ugly and horrific word we all know...tradition.

The institutional model is a creation of men, and thus this need for "improvement."

You Gentile Protestants don't realize just how Roman Catholic you really are in at least form and practice, if not in doctrine...which has some scary parallels, but that's a different topic.

However, the unspoken reality in this discussion is the deep-seated desire to remain merely religious by walking into the main meeting room many call the "sanctuary," sit down and fade into the woodwork to remain only the passive audience they so desire, watching the traditional, boring show unfold up on stage.

Some do indeed experience their warm fuzzies throughout it all, and will even call that program their "fellowship," as if they had somehow magically mastered the art of fellowshipping with the backs of other people's heads... We humans are so very good at fooling ourselves into so many false senses of fulfillment.

For example, many feel they have done their duty for "tithing" by plopping the lion's share of their so-called "giving" into the passing plate or in the box sitting in the foyer or through the electronic kiosk in the lobby. What they fail to realize is that the majority of what they "give" is lavished right back upon themselves by way of the luxuries from the facility, heating, air conditioning, carpet, parking lot, maybe some chandeliers, spires, materials, clean bathrooms, professional, paid clergy to do their good works for them...on and on the list could go.

In the end, churchianity will always remain in the same old rutty ditches of traditions within which it has always languished in utter disregard for true, genuine, biblical fellowship and mutual edification. I know, I know...donuts and coffee before or after, right? To call that as being anything akin to biblical fellowship and mutual edification, please don't make me laugh. Many a "pastor" will not ever countenance his not being the feature attraction in the place of fellowship within the main gathering.

Some will point at their "cell groups" that convene at different times throughout each week, hosted in differing homes, which are mainly just band-aids to the lack in the main gathering. Others will heave their chests in pride that they have "Bible studies" every week, maybe even more than once a week, as if that gets any closer to true fellowship than the main gathering where the imperfections of the backs of other people's heads and salon mistakes, ring around the collar, et al.

Because fellowship is so dangerous to the modern sense of autonomy we've all had drilled into our heads all our lives here in the West, it's therefore avoided by most for that very reason. After all, someone else may pick up on the secret sins many have lurking about within themselves that they don't want betrayed for others to see.

So, dream on with the thought that you can somehow transform your churchianity traditions into something more meaningful while getting all others in your organization onboard. That's a pipe dream that will not ever come to fruition because you would be fighting against the forces of Hell at work in all those other people's sentiments about this topic. The devil will empower you to form a rock band with colorful lights, smoke machines, REALLY loud screeches from guitars and clanging, or weird, repetitive, mesmerizing and hypnotic chants in so-called "praise music" from Bethel or some other cult influenced sound channels, but true fellowship will remain in the corner of avoidance whereby each believer can edify the others around them with substance far greater than what emanates from warm greetings over coffee and donuts.

Sorry if this sounds so very negative, but churchianity has earned that criticism do a degree far in excess for anyone not empowered by the Lord to change it on a grand scale. There is something far better in many, many ways, although none of it is ever perfect. What makes the difference, however, is in the trying. The Lord always honors those gatherings where He is allowed to function through each believer, one to another or all others in the gathering rather than snuffed out by the god of program. Some practice the falsehood of claiming, "We're just going to sit here in silence and wait for the Lord to move among us in the way of His own choosing..."

That's like setting the Lord up on stage and inviting Him to function within the constraining parameters of a slightly relaxed iron fist upon what manifests from among the people through His influence in their lives and psyche. There's good to be had, but churchianity has, is and shall always will remain the restraining influence against the empowerments that come ONLY through the fellowship of mutual edification.

BTW
 

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'm talking about what the Lord teaches in His Word - His Doctrine, the Doctrine of Christ.
I've been thinking about this, and have known many people who were taught the doctrine and believed the doctrine but without getting that they need a personal relationship with God through Jesus. Otherwise they aren't born again and so not true Christians. They can live the doctrine without knowing the true power of the Gospel and having the Holy Spirit dwell in them.
 

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If you were a leader in the church tasked with restructuring and improving its architecture and format.

WWYD?

Are there significant improvements churches can make in the modern era with the advent of the internet, smart phones and social media?

What i teach is not try to structure the Holy Spirit out of the Church Service by causing it to be a continuing rote repetition.
In other words..... there is the fact that the idea is that its a SERVICE......... so, its meant to serve God and the congregation.

It not designed to allow everyone to have their moment to get attention....to have their solo, and have their performance to be admired.
Sure, we give credit to the hard workers, .. to the faithful who are actually doing something Mon-Friday, and not just on Sunday or Saturday... depending on your (Church Schedule.).
A Church SERVICE is to provide that, for you, and for God.
So, let it be so, and then every Church Service functions correctly.
 
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without getting that they need a personal relationship with God through Jesus

If they did not get that, then they had incomplete doctrine

They may have heard a few good things, but they failed to get the main teaching that we are to turn from darkness and turn to the Lord to live FOR Him abiding IN Him allowing Him to abide IN us.

Doctrine just means teaching, and the teaching God's Word teaches us about what has freely been given to us thru the Holy Spirit

1 Corinthians 2:9-12
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.


Then there is the matter of what is the person's top, most important desire?

Matthew 5:6
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

And many don't ask for and desire correction:

Proverbs 1:23
Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

Repentance is a prerequisite to being able to see and understand correctly

Those holding on to sinful behavior will continue to be blinded by the enemy and the enemy has the right to continue blinding them as long as they refuse to turn from their sin to start living FOR the Lord walking WITH Him in a personal relationship so they can receive correct teaching from the Holy Spirit
 
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Doctrine just means teaching, and the teaching God's Word teaches us about what has freely been given to us thru the Holy Spirit
How come that although the true Gospel is preached in church meetings there may still be those who don't have that vital relationship with Jesus. When I was newly born again I was so hungry for more but there were many in our church who were satisfied with religion rather than relationship.

It's like in the natural world you can introduce people to your friends but it's up to them if they want to take it further and form attachments of their own. In the spiritual world you can introduce people to Jesus but not everybody will form that committed relationship with Him.

It doesn't mean the preaching was wrong it means that people may have heard it with their ears but didn't hear it in their spirits.
 
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How come that although the true Gospel is preached in church meetings there may still be those who don't have that vital relationship with Jesus. When was newly born again I was so hungry for more but there were many in our church who were satisfied with religion rather than relationship.

It like in the natural world you can introduce people to your friends but it's up to them if they want to take it further and form attachments of their own. I the spiritual world you can introduce people to Jesus but not everybody will form that committed relationship with Him.

It doesn't mean the preaching was wrong it means that people may have heard it with their ears but didn't hear it in their spirits.

As a Jew, I can walk into almost any church organization and hear what is NOT the Gospel given to Paul, also a Jew.

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As a Jew, I can walk into almost any church organization and hear what is NOT the Gospel given to Paul, also a Jew.

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Our preach this morning was about the wonderful everlasting love of God. He spoke about how , when he was just 9 years old, Jesus had come into his room and kissed him and how he had known God's wonderful love all his live. He is now in his 80s.
 

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Our preach this morning was about the wonderful everlasting love of God. He spoke about how , when he was just 9 years old, Jesus had come into his room and kissed him and how he had known God's wonderful love all his live. He is now in his 80s.

I hope you don't mind my saying this, but Jesus could not have been in that room to kiss him goodnight. That would have the Feet of Jesus on this earth before His second coming. Some may say it was just a dream, which is fine, but the Lord would not have done such a thing in reality, in the physical realm of this earth contrary to His written word to us. I do understand that power of emotions when hearing these kinds of stories, but we must always gauge everything in relation to the word of God to know what's real and what is not.

Don't mean to rain on anyone's outdoor birthday party, but my first wife, who passed away recently in 2021, was raised among Charismatics who routinely testified of the Lord appearing to them in various places on this earth, which is contrary to the Bible, and speaking things not at all in keeping with the word of God.

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The problem with the modern church.

  1. They worship 8th-century Khazar converts as “God’s chosen.”
  2. They ignore the fulfillment of the Gospel in Christ.
  3. They say the Church and the Body of Christ is not Israel.
  4. They teach a pre-trib rapture.
  5. They fund endless wars in the name of prophecy.
  6. They preach fear of cursing “Israel” over fear of disobeying Christ. (And they don't know who or what Israel even is)
  7. They glorify a modern secular state that rejects Jesus.
  8. They twist Genesis into a 6,000-year timeline.
  9. They scare off scientifically literate people from the Gospel.
  10. They elevate race and genealogy over faith.
  11. They use Zionism to manipulate American politics.
  12. They teach dispensational charts instead of the New Testament.
  13. They silence the Old Testament prophets unless they point to Zionism.
  14. They quote Scofield more than Jesus.
  15. They treat the modern state of Israel as a prerequisite for Christ’s return.
  16. They ignore early Church Fathers entirely.
  17. They rewrite Revelation to serve modern politics.
  18. They call peaceful Christians “anti-Semitic” for quoting the Gospel.
  19. They support genocide while preaching “blessing Israel.”
  20. They split Christ from His own Gospel.
  21. They treat Jews as saved without Christ.
  22. They mock replacement theology while denying fulfillment theology.
  23. They conflate Abrahamic promise with military alliance.
  24. They preach American exceptionalism instead of Kingdom come.

So this is what's happening.. The Scripture curious atheists are reading the Bible a few times all the way through and then reading the early Church Fathers and coming to the obvious conclusion that 80%+ of the Christian Church is totally brainwashed, not following the Gospel AT ALL, and are completely under the power & deception of the Dragon. And they’re realizing the horrifying truth: It’s now a Zionist cargo cult wearing a cross. They want to believe the Word, but what they find looks like a Twilight Zone rerun — or a sci-fi horror film directed by the Dragon himself. So they get scared and move away from it.

They run.

Not from Christ.

But from the misled, brainwashed abomination —
deep under the veil
pretending to represent Him.
Are you happy?
 

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As a Jew, I can walk into almost any church organization and hear what is NOT the Gospel given to Paul, also a Jew.

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Paul said he was to be all things to all men.
He did not have just one message angle.

What is meant for one congregation, may not be meant for you.
 

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Paul said he was to be all things to all men.
He did not have just one message angle.

What is meant for one congregation, may not be meant for you.

Being all things to all people is not a matter of compromising on doctrinal truth, like going into a bar and getting drunk in order to minister to drunks...

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As opposed to going to a church and hearing "WE will tell you what to believe and if you don't do what we say you'll burn in hell" as they force feed false doctrine to people
Those churches exist so that God can separate the attitudes of men for when the time comes for the Church's evaluation.

Yes... Those churches are for idiots.
That kind of believer who would not stay in a good church for long.

It is all about God allowing for "choices" as to reveal the real person to himself.

For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.
If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw,
their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed
with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. If what has been built survives,
the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved
—even though only as one escaping through the flames. 1 Corinthians 3:11-15​
Note?
If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward.
If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved
—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

God is right now placing everyone in circumstances as for you to become exposed to yourself as to whom you really choose to be!

We all have faced idiot churches, and no one locked the doors and made us stay.
So what?
It is those who want to stay that God is exposing themselves to themselves, so when evaluated they will have no excuse for how the outcome of their evaluation will be.

Want a good teacher?
Or, will you make excuses?
 

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As a Jew, I can walk into almost any church organization and hear what is NOT the Gospel given to Paul, also a Jew.

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God Doesn’t Care That You’re Jewish — and Neither Should the Church


Romans 2:28–29 (Paul — a Jew)

“A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical.
No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code.”

Translation: Your bloodline is worthless. The only identity that matters is one transformed by the Spirit.

Galatians 3:28–29
“There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

Translation: You aren’t Abraham’s seed because of your genes, you’re his seed because you belong to Christ. Period.
There's not a person on earth who can prove they're genetically related to Abraham and even if they could, God doesn't care.

Titus 3:9
“But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.”
Translation: Your lineage is not a conversation worth having.
God calls it worthless.

Philippians 3:3–8 (Paul, again, mocking his own Jewish credentials)
“We are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh—
though I myself have reasons for such confidence. If someone else thinks they have reasons… I have more: circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin… a Hebrew of Hebrews…”

“…But whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ… I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ.”


Translation: Paul throws his Jewishness in the trash and dares you to do the same.

Romans 9:6–8
“For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.
Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children…
It is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise who are regarded as offspring.”

Translation: Your blood doesn’t make you Israel, only faith does. Faith in Christ to be specific.
That’s why the Body of Christ is Israel — not some secular real estate project carved up by the UN and signed in Rothschild ink in 1948.

1 Timothy 1:4
“…nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God’s work.”

Translation: All this Jewish lineage talk is nothing but spiritual clickbait that distracts from the Gospel.

Colossians 3:11
“Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised… but Christ is all, and is in all.”

Translation: Christ erased the ethnic scorecard; the only thing left is Him.

The Cross Shattered Ethnic Boasting​

All that "I’m Jewish so I understand better" tribal smugness?
It died the moment Christ said “It is finished.”

The veil was torn.

The wall was broken.
The covenant was fulfilled.
And your bloodline means nothing.

God isn’t impressed by your ancestry.
He’s looking for faith, repentance, and new birth.

Final Word: Ephesians 2:14–16
“For He Himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility…
to create in Himself one new man out of the two… reconciling both to God through the cross.”

Translation: There is no more Jew and Gentile, only the New Creation in Christ.

So next time someone says:

“As a Jew, I…”

Just say:

As a child of God through Christ, I don’t care and neither does He.
Your tribal bragging was nailed to the Cross and buried with the Old Covenant.
You want salvation? Drop the bloodline nonsense and come to the foot of the Cross just like everyone else.