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Follow, respect, and obey your clergy, e.g., bishops, presbyters (priests), deacons...
The Eucharist...
The CATHOLIC Church...

"The Cult of Mary", has produced more "crazy" false doctrine then any other man-man false religiious system.

"Baptismal Regeneration"
"Perpetual Virgin"
"Ascension of Mary"
"Holy Relics".
"Peter as the 1st Pope"

Just to name a few.


It's an established fact that there are many things that God has done that weren't "necessary", and yet He did them.

The only thing that is established, is that you've stated the same opinion 2x, and yet, you've not listed anything that God did that "wasn't necessary".

So, go ahead and post your list.


All you have to offer right now are unsubstantiated assertions. And, what I can offer you are my prayers.

Thank you for your prayer.
I need the prayer and you need the practice... however if you are going to Pray to Mary or to some Saint......then just go fishing instead and see what you catch.

So,/...As of yet, you have not not actually tried to explain why you are trying to Sell this Heretic Idol of yours to Real Christians.
Are you hearing voices that tell you to "go out into the world and try to sell this woman's writings".. "see if they will buy it" ?

Can't you find something to do that isn't trying to sell a heretics statements? @Magdala ?
 

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From the OP:

If Satan disguises himself as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14), how can we be sure we're not following someone who appears “biblical” but is ac​

This caught my attention, as 'disguising himself' is one of Satan's most frequent moves. But, it is not difficult for the believer to suss him out. The key is the blood, that is, the bloodwork of Jesus Christ (what he accomplished via the cross).

As some of you posted, the Holy Bible tells us to test the spirits because there are fakirs everywhere. And there is no other test outside of the blood of Christ that is effective. One devil may even throw another under the bus to fool you into believing you were successful in casting out a particular devil. Without the blood, it's all fun and games for those slippery intelligent beings.

A devil will never confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh (i.e., that Jesus is the Christ, i.e., that the blood work of Jesus bought the victory), so that's how you'll know if it's of God or not. Oftentimes, the mere mention of the words "Jesus Christ" by a Spirit-filled believer is enough to manifest a devil and now it's game on as you, in Christ's authority, deal to that creature. In fact, there have been many instances where God has honored the power of the blood of Jesus, spoken by unbelievers, when they cried out in Jesus' name.

Here's the relevant passage (1 John 4):

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Not to worry if the spirit is of God or not. Better safe than sorry, so call out the spirit in the name of Jesus Christ and you will then know what you're dealing with. A spirit of God may even respond by doing a little jig for you or verbally "back up" your claim to the blood of Jesus. No harm done. If circumstances require a degree of "social decorum," then you can pray it silently, as it's the same diff in the spiritual realm. No trinkets, no recitals, no doubt!

There is one caveat: You must be a spirit-filled believer, which requires that you know your authority in Christ. YOU are not doing any thing here; the Holy Spirit does all the heavy lifting. The process of sanctification (see Angelina's signature and read what she has posted there) will move you from an unpracticed lukewarm "Christian" to a born-again Spirit-filled believer.

Try it the next time you are confronted by something "iffy." Whether it's "sleep paralysis" (aka the nightmar devil), or something posing as one of your lost relatives, give it a go - in the name of Jesus Christ. Do not be afraid (fear is another devil - 2 Tim. 1:7). Practice makes perfect. It's all about coming clean before the Lord (sanctification, fit for his service) and appropriating your authority in Christ.

Note also the angel of death that "passed over" the homes that had blood on their doorpost. Yes, Jesus is the Christ, the one "christ-ened" of God; even the devils know that. Merely "knowing" that fact does nothing for you. Remember that the Israelites still had to APPLY the blood via hyssop to those doorposts to receive the benefit:

And ye shall take a bunch of hyssop, and dip it in the blood that is in the bason, and strike the lintel and the two side posts with the blood that is in the bason; and none of you shall go out at the door of his house until the morning. (Exo. 12:22)

Can Someone Sound Biblical and Still Be a False Teacher?
The damsel with a spirit of divination is what comes to mind ( Acts 16:16). She said all the right things, but Paul cast a devil of divination from her nonetheless.
 
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From the OP:

If Satan disguises himself as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14), how can we be sure we're not following someone who appears “biblical” but is ac​

This caught my attention, as 'disguising himself' is one of Satan's most frequent moves. But, it is not difficult for the believer to suss him out. The key is the blood, that is, the bloodwork of Jesus Christ (what he accomplished via the cross).
While much of what was shared lines up with Scripture, there are a few important clarifications to make based on the Bible. First, 1 John 4:2-3 teaches that we are to test spirits by whether they confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, not by invoking or referencing the blood of Christ as a method of testing. Simply mentioning the name "Jesus Christ" does not automatically expose a devil either, as seen in Mark 1:24, where evil spirits recognized Jesus but still remained evil. True confession, not mere acknowledgment, is the biblical test. Additionally, Scripture shows that unbelievers do not have authority to successfully use the name or blood of Jesus against evil spirits. In Acts 19:13-16, the sons of Sceva, who were not true believers, attempted to cast out demons in Jesus' name and were attacked instead. Authority belongs only to those who are in Christ (Luke 10:19).
 

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While much of what was shared lines up with Scripture, there are a few important clarifications to make based on the Bible. First, 1 John 4:2-3 teaches that we are to test spirits by whether they confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, not by invoking or referencing the blood of Christ as a method of testing.
They are one in the same. Jesus Christ (i.e. the one christened/anointed of God) coming in the flesh is synonymous with the fact that he is the one who shed his blood for us.

Simply mentioning the name "Jesus Christ" does not automatically expose a devil either, as seen in Mark 1:24, where evil spirits recognized Jesus but still remained evil.
Of course. Yet we have countless accounts of unbelievers who DID call on the name of Jesus in their moment of need, and God, in his sovereignty, honored that cry. As always, it's God's call.

True confession, not mere acknowledgment, is the biblical test.
Yep.

Additionally, Scripture shows that unbelievers do not have authority to successfully use the name or blood of Jesus against evil spirits. In Acts 19:13-16, the sons of Sceva, who were not true believers, attempted to cast out demons in Jesus' name and were attacked instead.
Yep again. But, at the end of the day, it's still God's call and not ours. Our end is to ensure that we are indeed born again, and that we are fit for his service (i.e. sanctified).

Authority belongs only to those who are in Christ (Luke 10:19).
Amen, even as usurpers never stop trying to "climb up some other way." (John 10:1).
 

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Well, this is probably a wasted effort, but here goes:
JWs claim they do not belong to Jesus,
We don’t claim any such thing! He is our Master. Jehovah God made him our Head.


‘92 WT excerpt:
**Paul … said: “You belong to Christ; Christ, in turn, belongs to God.” (1 Corinthians 3:23) Indeed, even as Christians belong to their Master, Jesus Christ, so he belongs to his Head, Jehovah God.
Making a similar point, Paul wrote: “The head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn the head of the Christ is God.” (1 Corinthians 11:3) This relationship between God and Christ will continue,**
JWs claim they…are not born of God, are not in the new covenant, are not spiritual sons of God, Jesus is not your mediator…
Do you know the difference between Christ’s “brothers” & the “sheep” class? Apparently not. You can read Jesus’ words at Matthew 25:31-45, where Jesus tells us the sheep are “righteous”, and doing good things “to” His “brothers” (vs.40), but these sheep are not Jesus’ brothers
Who are these ‘brothers of Christ’, then?
JW’s claim … Jesus' blood doesn't cover your sins
Sure we believe that! Not only ours, but also “for the whole world’s” - 1 John 2:2

What do you think provides for the “Resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous”? - Acts 24:15.


JW’s …refuse partaking of Jesus' body and blood
Some Jehovah’s Witnesses do.

But most of us hope to be part of “the meek [who will] inherit the earth.” - Matthew 5:5; Psalm 37:10,11,29 (Do you know what that means, and what it does not mean?
You will never be able to snatch me from His hand. I expose you for the sake of the others here!

Don’t snatch you? OK….

Well, if you do expose us, please tell the truth; don’t spread those fallacies you posted.

(Judging from your willingness to spread misinformation about us, you must have really hurt some of your family members who are loyal to Jehovah!)
 
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Be warned: the Devil can even pretend to be "happy" with his false light.

You might think "he's happy - maybe it's true light": watch out!
 

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Be warned: the Devil can even pretend to be "happy" with his false light.

You might think "he's happy - maybe it's true light": watch out!
A convicted Christian knows that satan may deceive in any way he is allowed...and that is a pretty wide spread.
For example...study Job.
 

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“If Satan disguises himself as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14), how can we be sure we're not following someone who appears “biblical” but is ac”​


Jesus made it easy for us to find True Christians. He stated we can determine who are truly following Christ, not necessarily by what they teach, but by their actions

John 13:34,35…
“I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this, all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves.

This, along with Matthew 5:44, precludes any notion of supporting warfare, state-sanctioned or not.

It’s no wonder that Jesus stated His followers would be “hated” by the world (John 15:19); we simply cannot “serve two masters.”

Jesus said to “pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.
So when one conflicts with the other, then as Peter said, “We must obey God as Ruler rather than men.” Acts 5:29

See also James 4:4.
 

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The Devil does not come to you with anything too obvious.... as he is a spiritual snake, a veiled dark spirit, and His game is to mislead, misdirect, and manipulate you > using your own mind and self righteous tendencies.


A.) What The Devil does, is he sends someone to you, on a Forum, or from a Pulpit, or from a TV Screen, or on an ONLINE "Christian" BLOG....or in a Video or in a commentary.... = to mislead you into a Grace denying belief system that is going to ruin your Christianity for life. And yet you'll BELIEVE you are "on Track" and "spirit filled and led" and "getting God's wisdom".. all of this.

How does the Devil do it ???
Paul explains it like this...>"Who has BEWITCHED YOU< so that YOU No longer obey the TRUTH"...
= Satan brings to you "doctrines of devils" like Calvinism, or MaryCult, or Mormonism or any "ism", and these all SEEM to be true.
Why?
Because the Devil has designed all his THEOLOGY around Truth. Its DISGUISED as Truth.
Its cunning, its clever, its dark and demonic and spiritual, but the LIGHT that it reveals IS DARK and not TRUTH.

See, Satan has read the Bible, He understands what Truth is, as He has known JESUS who is : THE TRUTH.....John 14:6... but Satan can't be a part of it because He FELL from Truth,and can't be born again. But He understands all about it, and He creates his lying theology so that its a hybrid.. Its a mix of truth and partial truths and its designed to cause your FLESH to feel good.
So, any type of Legalism, (Self Righteousness)... feels good to you, because Self Righteousness is Pride and pride feels good.
Pride feels GREAT, just like Sin feels GREAT.
So, The Devil created His Salvation Theology that is This... = Pride.centered....... "all about me".. "all about what i do".. "all about how its all about me me me, doing it". .........Its all about me keeping this, and ME ME ME ME ME doing doing doing THAT, vs... "God did it for me, through Christ on the CROSS, and I believe it".
See that?
See the difference. ????
That ""ME"" Stuff..... is SELF Righteousness, and that is actually the Opposite of The Cross of Christ that is the Grace of God that is "the GIFT of Salvation".

Reader,
Salvation is All of God, and none of you.
Salvation is "God did it, and we get it" = by FAITH.
Its "the GIFT of Righteousness" that is the "imputed Righteousness of Christ", that we RECEIVE as "THE GIFT of Salvation".

Listen
Did you hang on The Cross and Die for your sin?
Did water baptism?
Then why do you think you can keep yourself saved by law keeping and commandment keeping, and PERFORMING FOR GOD>.., when in fact, you could not save yourself to begin with... ???
See, if you could save yourself or keep yourself saved then WHY did Jesus have to come down here and DIE FOR YOU?

And notice this......... before you were saved by Jesus's sacrifice, you could not save yourself, and now that He has saved you, you can't keep yourself saved, because you are the SAVED ONE>.....not The Savior.
Finally,

1.)
The DEVIL's Gospel is..>"believe and perform"... Its, "Keeping this, and doing that". "its, getting Wet and joining a church"...

Its ""YOU DO IT" "You finish it"......vs.. GOD DID IT FOR YOU = As Jesus dying on the CROSS , as "The GIFT of Salvation".

Satan's Gospel is: Self Righteous WORKS to try to save yourself, and keep yourself saved...
Satan's Gospel is: water baptism saves you or is required for Salvation.
Satan's Gospel is: "join our church as we are the REAL ONE, and if you join ours you become a Christian."
Satan's Gospel is : "you dont have to trust in Christ before you die.. because you are going to heaven no matter what".

Whereas The Gospel of the Grace of God is...>"a lost sinner is Eternally FORGIVEN by God's Salvation WHO IS = Jesus on the Cross". and this is "The Gift of Salvation" and "THE Gift of Righteousness", and "The Gift of Eternal Life".
 
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Be warned: the Devil can even pretend to be "happy" with his false light.

You might think "he's happy - maybe it's true light": watch out!
Happy ?

Who said one should be Happy ? like why do people chase after to be Happy ?

To be content is wisdom, is it not ? for to be happy is to be chasing ones own tail ?

People say they are driven to drink grog ?
Well that is so as to excape ! like boy I have had a hell of a day or week, I am intent to get drunk as ! and then I am Happy now that I am drunk, because I have excaped that hell ? good ridance !

People take drugs for the same reasons ?

Being an Idiot is fun ?

I work towards being content.

I do not demand of others, but I do not let myself be taken advantage off by foolishness of others.
I do not want to be anyones Slave.
 

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Hello bdavidc, of course, they wouldn't be much of a "false teacher" if they didn't at least sound Biblical, would they :IDK:


Matthew 4:1-11 would be a great place to start (since the Lord dealt with THE false teacher himself in that passage). So, it seems to me (as others have already mentioned above) that we need to know and understand the Bible well enough to recognize when a false teacher is misusing it, as well how he/she is misusing it (like the Lord did in the wilderness with Satan in Matthew 4:1-11), so that the correct understanding is brought to bear/made known to any/all who listen to what false teachers have to say.

God bless you!!

--Papa Smurf


2 Timothy 2
15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling/rightly dividing the word of truth.
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Amen. We have to know the Word intimately, or we'll be vulnerable to "every wind of doctrine." When we know the authentic Word, and we have an intimate relationship with THE Word (Jesus Christ), and we have His Holy Spirit ....false doctrine, even a subtle twisting, can be discerned.

Like some have said, often you can tell by where their focus is as well. Are they lifting up self as some great teacher? Or maybe there is a false humility ...a following that focuses on the person rather than on God. Often followers of a false teacher believe they're privy to special knowledge through this person, and believe they are following God, not realizing they have placed their trust in flesh (a man or woman/teacher). False teachers are good at luring and drawing people in. They often know the written Word very well .....and are very good at subtly tweaking and twisting it.

Example: My husband and I were part of a church (split off the Assemblies of God) for 13 years. Our pastor had a "humility" about him but when you really looked at it for what it was, it was a false humility. He allowed people to praise him in testimony services while he sat there looking pious and humbled. But as a congregation, we read through the Bible at least once a year. Bible memory was emphasized. Service was emphasized. But the thing that began to stand out to me was that it was like a cardinal sin to attend a different church without pastor's knowledge, or make a financial decision ....or God forbid, you seek counsel from someone outside the church (especially himself or one of his appointed "elders"). He would use the Scripture.... "Touch NOT Mine anointed and do My prophets no harm" to scare congregants away from questioning anything he taught, or dare speak about doubting his teachings. And another Scripture.... "Forsake not the assembling of yourselves together as the manner of
some is" ...and you knew who you were, bc you're the one who visited another church, or was sick and missed one of the 7 or 8 weekly services and church functions. They made sure to dominate our time, every day of the week. So scriptures were twisted to serve their purpose of keeping congregants under his control.

Oh, they knew the Scripture inside and out ...but they knew how to manipulate it ever so subtly. Everyone feared crossing him or displeasing him ... literally as if displeasing him meant displeasing God ...but they "loved" him too ...like a trauma bond, but the blinders were on so tightly, almost no one recognized it. Sigh ....

So this man preached the KJV Word in an old fashioned way ... while the other stuff was running in the background. And then he would insert things like ... "A man is the king of his castle and the wife is the queen ...and you better break the spirits of your children as early as possible." So he advocates corporal punishment, even to leaving bruises. One young mom was praised for her babies staying silent through an entire 2+hr church service ...which she accomplished by pinching the baby if they whimpered or cried. :( I was looked down on as a bad mom because I didn't do that, and wouldn't leave my babies in the nursery ...God forbid, I was attentive to my babies' needs and if my baby whimpered, they needed their needs met ....dirty diaper, or they needed to nurse. God gave me those babies and I wasn't about to hand them off to someone else. My children weren't fussy. But my babies knew that if they had a need, I wasn't going to scold them ...and that's how God us with us. He hears our cries!! He hears and He cares, He is near ...and He answer. As parents, we should model that.

Anyway ...those things never sat right with me. And I remember him telling the story of how the Native American mothers, when their tribe was being pursued by another tribe, they would hold their hand over the baby's nose and mouth till they passed out sonas not to give their position away. And he spoke of this in a context of how parents should break their children early on and be in complete control of their little spirits....

I have rambled ....but I have had experience with this and when I got out of that place, my husband fought the fear that we would die or go to hell for leaving. It was bad ....
 
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Hello @TLHKAJ, your former church sounds like a cult :oops:

God bless you!!

~Papa Smurf
p.s. - Happy Memorial Day :csm
It definitely was a cult. Our pastor and some of the leadership were handlers under the MK programs. The church was a front for the cult ...a cult within THE cult. Our pastor regularly held meetings that only the men could attend and only males were privy to ... males from a certain age and upward. Years later, my husband couldn't remember what they talked about in those meetings ...although they were held about twice a month.

On Mother's Day of 2007, I requested that my husband take.me and the children on a mountain hike with our Bibles and that he would lead Bible reading when we got to the top. I also told him that I wasn't going back to that church and wasn't taking our children back. Things got pretty bad after that. Leaving the church was not okay (with the cult) bc that was a huge part of how we were handled within the cult.

We were stalked, threatened.... and on the 2-year anniversary of my choice to leave the church, my children and I were abducted (kidnapped) and s.xually tortured inside our own barn while my husband was at work. The perps used force and drugs. Mothers Day, 2009.

Also, after that, our barn was arsoned. Back in 2007, before we left the church and it was known that I wanted to leave ...our pastor stood at the pulpit and said, "Brother *** is afraid that he'll go to work one day and return to find his entire family has burned up in a house fire." I knew it was a covert threat. I asked my husband if he'd ever said that to our pastor and he said he hadn't. Well, we purchased our property from a deacon in the church and he still owned the land behind ours. The local fire department was founded by our former pastor, and 95% of the volunteers were church leaders and congregants. Not hard to cover up ...

Anyway, that's only the tip of the iceberg. They stalked me online to every place ... forums, FB, etc ...not just them, but they were definitely active in stalking. And they still find ways now and then to let me know they're around. Oh well ....they can't do more than God will allow. And it's been a lot. He doesn't prevent all suffering and persecution.
 

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2 Corinthians 11
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1 Oh, that you would bear with me in a little folly—and indeed you do bear with me. 2 For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the [a]simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!
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I wanted to bring out a point here, just because some people in a church tolerate or putup with satanic deceptions does not also make them active deceivers or false brethren, only that like Eve, they are deceived.
This chapter explains some things, and I do believe if they are the Lord's, God will correct His people so that they do not perish along with the world and the false brethren. You must still be on your guard lest you also get carried away with the error of the wicked.

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Hebrews 12

1 Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2 looking unto Jesus, the [a]author and [b]finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

The Discipline of God​

3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. 4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin.

5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:

“My son, do not despise the [c]chastening of the Lord,
Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;

6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.”


7 If[d] you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten?

8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. 11 Now no [e]chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
 

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Another example in 2 Peter 3

The Day of the Lord​

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be [d]burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Be Steadfast​

14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.
 

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My question would be, are they making their remarks based on whats been biblically avaliable.

For me, in Revelation is talks about hell being done away with and Satan. Therefore I believe they are reasonable enough to accept at face value, though many do not. I accept that 7 x Jesus stated he was coming in an age which was written to in order to wrap up the prior Mosaic age into the fulfilment age we live into today which is the new heavens and new earth (spiritually).

Therefore is my view unreasonable and unbiblical? Most people don't even believe the Revelation has happened yet.

Or am I Satan? Lol.
 
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