If sealed with the HS, how does one become UNsealed ?

[mailmandan]

Salvation…is an Offered Gift from God….TO humans.
It is OFFERED TO: Bodily Alive men.

It is Accepted or Rejected: BY Bodily Alive men.

That Gift IS ONLY “Given” a man…
AFTER a mans Bodily DEATH!

Ya think, human Body’s, accept the Gift, over and over, and bodily die, over and over…?

Utter nonsense.

1 Corinthians 9:24 - Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. 25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. 26 Therefore I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. 27 No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

Salvation is a gift that we freely receive through faith and is not a prize that we compete for in a game and win.

 

[GodsGrace]

1 Corinthians 9:24 - Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. 25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. 26 Therefore I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. 27 No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

Salvation is a gift that we freely receive through faith and is not a prize that we compete for in a game and win.

I LOVE IT !!

 

[mailmandan]

I LOVE IT !!

Context is crucial. Otherwise you end up with a cherry picked biased doctrine.

 

[GodsGrace]

1 Corinthians 9:24 - Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. 25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. 26 Therefore I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. 27 No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

Salvation is a gift that we freely receive through faith and is not a prize that we compete for in a game and win.

one gets the prize.
Paul is worried about being DISQUALIFIED.
Kicked out of the race.

But YOU say he's talking about a game where we cannot be disqualified because it's a free gift.

If it's a free gift
WHY THE RACE?
WHY THE WORRY OF BEING DISQUALIFIED?


You should write a commentary.

Give it a good title:
COMMENTARY FOR THE LIGHT OF HEART
THE OSAS
THE FAITH ALONE
THE GOOD DEEDS ARE NOT NECESSARY
THE GOD DID IT ALL
OBEDIENCE NOT NECESSARY

i could prolly think of some more.

oh wait.
but you say you DO believe in good deeds?
Sure,,,,,except for that BUT tha's on the way.

but you say you believe in obeying?
Sure..except for that BUT that's on the way.


Just write your commentary.
There's a whole section of Christianity that will
buy it happily.

Schism anyone?

 

[GodsGrace]

Context is crucial. Otherwise you end up with a cherry picked biased doctrine.

This is for you.

 

[GodsGrace]

Context is crucial. Otherwise you end up with a cherry picked biased doctrine.

No.
Really Dan.
Your contextual commentaries give me an instant headache.

However,,,,the creative ability to twist scripture is truly amazing
and to be appreciated.

 

[mailmandan]

one gets the prize.
Paul is worried about being DISQUALIFIED.
Kicked out of the race.

But YOU say he's talking about a game where we cannot be disqualified because it's a free gift.

If it's a free gift
WHY THE RACE?
WHY THE WORRY OF BEING DISQUALIFIED?
You should write a commentary.

Give it a good title:
COMMENTARY FOR THE LIGHT OF HEART
THE OSAS
THE FAITH ALONE
THE GOOD DEEDS ARE NOT NECESSARY
THE GOD DID IT ALL
OBEDIENCE NOT NECESSARY

i could prolly think of some more.

oh wait.
but you say you DO believe in good deeds?
Sure,,,,,except for that BUT tha's on the way.

but you say you believe in obeying?
Sure..except for that BUT that's on the way.

Just write your commentary.
There's a whole section of Christianity that will
buy it happily.

Schism anyone?

In context, it's a disqualified for the prize.
In an Olympic race, there are those who race and win a gold, silver or bronze medal and others receive no medal, yet that does not mean those who receive no medal are disqualified from the Olympic race.

 

[mailmandan]

This is for you.

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[Taken]

1 Corinthians 9:24 - Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. 25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. 26 Therefore I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. 27 No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

Salvation is a gift that we freely receive through faith and is not a prize that we compete for in a game and win.

Correct. Not a competition…but does have the “IF” / “THEN” consideration.

 

[GodsGrace]

In context, it's a disqualified for the prize.
In an Olympic race, there are those who race and win a gold, silver or bronze medal and others receive no medal, yet that does not mean those who receive no medal are disqualified from the Olympic race.

The race is to get a prize or to get to heaven?
paul was worried about not getting a prize?
PAUL?

Paul was worried about being DISQUALIFIED.
KICKED OUT OF THE RACE.
NO LONGER QUALIFIED TO WIN.
REMOVED FROM THE RACE.

He pummels his body...
his flesh
so as not to be disqualified.



This is what Paul is fighting for...racing for...pummeling his body for:


1 Corinthians 9:22
22To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some


Paul wants to SAVE SOULS not teach how to get a prize.
God will handle that.

 

[Gray_Joy]

BTW, a wax seal does not prevent someone from opening a letter; that would defeat the purpose. What it does is show authenticity and tamper evidence. These days, we would use digital signatures based on asymmetric cryptography for that purpose.

The seal Christians have is not wax. It is not able to be broken,revoked,or the holy spirit evicted from within us.

Letters wax seals were a fixed to could be burned.

Nor is that the destiny of those in Christ.

 

[Taken]

YOU are the one that never uses scripture
or uses it incorrectly.
@ProDeo uses scripture.

You instead, by your own admisstion,,DISCUSS.

Yep. Testify and discuss.

You want Scriptural Verification for what I SAY…
Do as you claim to do “as Scripture teaches”
* You Go search the Scriptures…
* Can’t find…Ask…

Discussing is not using scripture.

So?

Discussing is stating YOUR opinion.

So? WHO better to state what I believe… than me?

Your opinion should interest no one on this thread.

And likewise your beliefs and Opinions regarding your beliefs “should also be of noones interest?”

what do you think BELIEVE means??

Accept information “as” true.

What do you think BELLIEVE WITH THE HEART means?

Accept Spiritual information “is” true.

§What do you think CONFESS WITH THE MOUTH is?

A direct confession of Spiritual Belief TO lord Jesus.

Is it a work?

Yes.

Is it something you DO?

Yes. If it requires an Effort, a Doing, it is a Labor / Work.

Does believe have some attributes to it that must be followed?

Yes and No.
Want your gift NOW…?
Crucify your body with Jesus’ Body.

Want your gift AFTER your mortal DEATH…?
Hope you mortally Die Still Spiritually / Heartful Believing.

Or is it a mental belief like even the demons have?

Mental? NO!
Mental applies to your carnal MIND.
The Carnal Mind is NOT Spiritual.
The Carnal Mind IS Against God.
No, God does not ( consider or search a mans Carnal Mind, for a man’s Spiritual Beliefs.

Your posts make little sense

Thank you. My posts are suited For a Quickened spiritual heart to comprehend.

and follow nothing of what Jesus teaches.

False, but you can TRY to provide applicable evidence to the contrary.

 

[Lambano]

The seal Christians have is not wax.

Hi, Gray. I'm just exploring Paul's world of symbolism and metaphors here.

 

[mailmandan]

The race is to get a prize or to get to heaven?
paul was worried about not getting a prize?
PAUL?

Paul was worried about being DISQUALIFIED.
KICKED OUT OF THE RACE.
NO LONGER QUALIFIED TO WIN.
REMOVED FROM THE RACE.

He pummels his body...
his flesh
so as not to be disqualified.

This is what Paul is fighting for...racing for...pummeling his body for:

1 Corinthians 9:22
22To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some
Paul wants to SAVE SOULS not teach how to get a prize.
God will handle that.

In context, Paul has been discussing preaching the gospel. In verse 18 he says, "What is my reward, then?" In verses 24-27 he illustrates this thought of his reward by the picture of a race run for the prize. Salvation is a gift that we receive by grace through faith, (Ephesians 2:8,9) and not a prize that we race for, win and earn.

Prize (brabeion) - the prize awarded to a victor, the reward (recognition) that follows triumph. That does not sound like a free gift to me. (Romans 6:23; Ephesians 2:8) 1 Corinthians 3:14-15 mentions - If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, (of reward) though he himself will be saved.

 

[ProDeo]

Salvation…is an Offered Gift from God….TO humans.

It is OFFERED TO: Bodily Alive men.

It is Accepted or Rejected: BY Bodily Alive men.

That Gift IS ONLY “Given” a man…
AFTER a mans Bodily DEATH!

Ya think, human Body’s, accept the Gift, over and over, and bodily die, over and over…?



Utter nonsense.

1Cor 9:27 But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.

@Taken, you are logical person, tell me any OSAS believer (such as yourself) who would say that (the red) about oneself.

You will never say -- lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified --

Right ?

But Paul did.

Paul --> NOSAS.

 

[ProDeo]

1 Corinthians 9:24 - Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. 25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. 26 Therefore I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. 27 No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

Salvation is a gift that we freely receive through faith and is not a prize that we compete for in a game and win.

Your answer deserves the originality prize

 

[shekinah Glory]

Christ through Paul teaches how we receive the HS.
Where does Christ through Paul teach that a SEALED believer can become UNsealed ?
Verses please :)
.....
Eph 1:13 :-
In whom ye also trusted,
after that ye heard the word of truth,
the gospel of your salvation:
in whom also after that ye believed,
ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 4:30 :-
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God,
whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

We are sealed, but that does not guarantee redemption if we ignore the Holy Spirit… and we will give account for everything we have done in this body, before the throne.”

 

[Gray_Joy]

We are sealed, but that does not guarantee redemption if we ignore the Holy Spirit… and we will give account for everything we have done in this body, before the throne.”

That idea likely gives little comfort to those who are opposed to the eternal irrevocable salvation teaching of Jesus,as they insist our labors insure our redemption.

Though I would think that doctrinal following that leads believers in grieving the holy spirit by insisting his seal,presence,is impermenant and is nullified by our actions, would be far more frightened on the day of their judgement.

Where they shall answer for every word when they as much as said, Jesus was a myth and his teachings are negligible.

 

[GodsGrace]

Yep. Testify and discuss.

You want Scriptural Verification for what I SAY…
Do as you claim to do “as Scripture teaches”
* You Go search the Scriptures…
* Can’t find…Ask…



So?



So? WHO better to state what I believe… than me?



And likewise your beliefs and Opinions regarding your beliefs “should also be of noones interest?”






Accept information “as” true.



Accept Spiritual information “is” true.



A direct confession of Spiritual Belief TO lord Jesus.


Yes.



Yes. If it requires an Effort, a Doing, it is a Labor / Work.



Yes and No.
Want your gift NOW…?
Crucify your body with Jesus’ Body.

Want your gift AFTER your mortal DEATH…?
Hope you mortally Die Still Spiritually / Heartful Believing.



Mental? NO!
Mental applies to your carnal MIND.
The Carnal Mind is NOT Spiritual.
The Carnal Mind IS Against God.
No, God does not ( consider or search a mans Carnal Mind, for a man’s Spiritual Beliefs.



Thank you. My posts are suited For a Quickened spiritual heart to comprehend.



False, but you can TRY to provide applicable evidence to the contrary.

You post nonsense.
You are unable to have a serious convesation.
You are unable to use scrpture to back up your statements.
They are,
thus
your OPINION.

Youre OPINION is worthless.

 

[GodsGrace]

In context, Paul has been discussing preaching the gospel. In verse 18 he says, "What is my reward, then?" In verses 24-27 he illustrates this thought of his reward by the picture of a race run for the prize. Salvation is a gift that we receive by grace through faith, (Ephesians 2:8,9) and not a prize that we race for, win and earn.

Prize (brabeion) - the prize awarded to a victor, the reward (recognition) that follows triumph. That does not sound like a free gift to me. (Romans 6:23; Ephesians 2:8) 1 Corinthians 3:14-15 mentions - If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, (of reward) though he himself will be saved.

Oh my.
Another theologian that doesn't undersand 1 Cor 3:4-15
There's a thread on this somewhere.
i think.