Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture

[rvmb]

Those who insist on maintaining Israel’s covenantal role and yet separating them from the New Testament congregation are absolutely dependent upon maintaining the old covenant arrangement. The only problem is: it has been long-abolished. What is more, the New Testament structure allows no distinction whatsoever between Jews and Gentiles, something that marks the old arrangement. Those who promote that today advance spiritual apartheid to separate Israel from the remainder of God’s people. Those who do this have no understanding of the teaching of Christ, the new covenant guidelines and the repeated teaching of the sacred New Testament text.

""What is more, the New Testament structure allows no distinction whatsoever between Jews and Gentiles, something that marks the old arrangement""
Confirmed by Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11

 

[Nancy]

I assume you're referring to the parable about the Kingdom of Heaven.

Matthew 22:2 (KJV) The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

Matthew 22:9-10 (KJV) Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

The guests are all people without distinction, but not without exception. The gospel of the Kingdom of God through Christ is offered to all the peoples of the whole world, that whosoever believes on the Lord shall be saved. But not all shall believe the gospel, many will hear and remain in unbelief. The church on earth represents the Kingdom of God in heaven. Since the gospel, that is the message about Christ is freely offered to all mankind, so too the church as she exists on earth is open and has both believers (wheat/good) and unbelievers (tares/bad) together. The guests invited to hear the gospel of the Kingdom of God and believe represent the True, faithful Church, and spiritually in the Kingdom of God in heaven, but the guests invited to hear the gospel of the Kingdom of God who remain in unbelief represent the guests in the parable improperly clothed. They were not clothed in the righteousness of Christ (remained in unbelief). At the end of this age when Christ comes again, those guests (members of the churches) not found having the righteousness of Christ shall be cast into outer darkness, having been called when hearing the gospel preached, but not among the chosen elect of God because they never believe on Christ for eternal life.

Matthew 22:11-14 (KJV) And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen.

Thank you!
After many years of mulling this subject over and over, you are the first one to give me an explanation that makes sense!
God bless you a whole lot brother.

In Him always
Nancy

 

[rwb]

Thank you!
After many years of mulling this subject over and over, you are the first one to give me an explanation that makes sense!
God bless you a whole lot brother.

In Him always
Nancy

You're very welcome Nancy! All the glory to God only, teaching us through His Spirit in us!

 

[Scott Downey]

Considering what? Going back to other thread from which you were so thoroughly debunked?

Just once I'd like to see you start a thread about anything but this. ime you never have.

Nobody debunks amil or post trib. It is faithful to the scriptures, the others have put together an elaborate fantasy, fables. No doubt as they were taught by other fantasy fiction fans of the end times, like the left behind movies. Peas in a pod, birds of a feather.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

`In Isaac shall your seed be called.` Isaac was the promised child that God enabled Abraham and Sarah to conceive. It will be through that line that any in Israel will be turned to the Lord when He reveals Himself to them. It will not be through the flesh, Abraham and the bond woman, that turned out to be the Arabs we know today.

The promise is that Israel will rule the nations of the world under Christ.

The reference to "In Isaac shall your seed be called" refers to Spiritual Israel. It includes us. It's sad that you have so little discernment about these things. Have you still never read the following passage. This is Paul writing to Jew and Gentile believers...

Galatians 4:22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written: "Rejoice, O barren, You who do not bear! Break forth and shout, You who are not in labor! For the desolate has many more children Than she who has a husband.” 28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.

Using scripture to interpret scripture, this shows that "your seed" who is called "in Isaac" is Spiritual Israel (the church).

 

[jeffweeder]

And where is that please?

Peter suggests that the NHNE is where righteousness dwells. Think of Eden before sin entered the world.

 

[WPM]

Peter suggests that the NHNE is where righteousness dwells. Think of Eden before sin entered the world.

Eaxctly bro!

 

[WPM]

OK, good.

1. NO. The Body of Christ and Israel are grafted into the Lord. Rom. 11: 9 - 11. That says their eyes have been darkened. The grafting in is in Rom. 11: 16 & 18. There we read of root that is holy, nourishing and supporting. Only the Lord does that.

`For if the first-fruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and is the root is holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, were grafted in among them, and with them become partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.` (Rom. 11: 16 - 18)

Of course Jesus sustains this tree. Of course He is the root. But what type of tree is it? Paul carefully describes the Jews who have been cut off as “natural branches” and being of “their own olive tree” (Romans 11:24). He is showing how we believing Gentiles have been brought into this elect Israeli tree on an equal standing to the believing Jews.

No one could surely dispute we are looking at an Israeli tree. Romans 11:24 explains, speaking about natural Israel: “these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?” This is an Israeli tree that holds Israeli citizens. But it was not merely a natural Israeli tree but a spiritual Israeli tree. After all, if it were simply natural there would be absolutely no reason to cut out natural Israelites simply on the grounds of their race. We are clearly looking at a spiritual tree that accommodates both the believing Jew and the believing Gentile from both Old and New Testament. It embodies all those who belong to the “household of faith” throughout time.

2. Ethnic Israel. God`s word says we `were aliens from the Commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenant of promise, having no hope and without God in the world....Now therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God.` (Eph. 2: 12 & 19)

Yes, fellow citizens of God`s household but with different inheritances. (Heb. 11: 16 Rev. 3: 21)

Jews and Gentiles finish up sharing the same citizenship and enjoying the same blessings. Gentiles are described as being “fellowcitizens” with Jews through the sovereign work of the Lord. What is this citizenship? It is plainly and unambiguously identified in the reading as “the citizenship of Israel.” God did not create a new Israel; the Gentiles were grafted into an existing organism.

Ephesians 2:19 shows that faithful Gentiles are “no more strangers and foreigners” (as in literal outsiders), but rather have become real active participating “fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God.” Through Christ, they enjoy a common “citizenship of Israel.” They are no longer alienated. There is no distinction between them in Christ.

We should carefully note: to belong to “the citizenship of Israel” requires saving faith. This proves that we are looking at a spiritual organism. What is more, natural birthright means absolutely nothing in regards to participating in this spiritual entity. Significantly, the people of God of all races have been integrated into true Israel – spiritual Israel, not natural Christ-rejecting Israel. Those Jews that made up the membership of the early Church – faithful Israel, have been joined by faithful Gentiles throughout the nations under the select designation of “the citizenship of Israel.”

3. God`s word does not say merged. God`s word delineates precisely - `as many as walk according to this rule. peace and mercy be upon them, AND.....AND upon the Israel of God.` (Gal. 6: 16)

Anything that sniffs of unity, oneness or merging of Jews and Gentiles you refute. Why is that? You are fixated with promoting an apartheid between the people of God. That is unbiblical. You turn Paul’s whole argument on its head and make it nonsensical by trying to maintain a distinction between Jewish believers and Gentile believers, when that was actually the opposite to Paul’s intent and totally opposite to what he was teaching in this passage. You put a division in Galatians 6:15-16 between Jewish and Gentile believers that actually contradicts everything that Paul was actually teaching and trying to repudiate in the text. He was actually demonstrating that one’s ethnic standing meant nothing when it comes to the blessing and favour of God, but rather it is only one’s spiritual standing that counts. He then adds a postscript: “And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.”

The reading declares, “And as many as walk according to this rule” (what rule?) – the non-racial new birth experience, – then “peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.” Paul places a blessing upon all who “walk according to this rule” – all who are conformed to this standard. As Christopher W. Cowan puts: “All who have experienced the new creation in Christ will have lives that manifest conformity to it” (Context Is Everything: “The Israel of God” in Galatians 6:16). Manifestly, Paul only had one company in mind: the redeemed Church of Jesus Christ.

kai epi

Galatians 6:15-16 states, “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on [Gr. epi] them, and mercy, even on [Gr. kai epi] the Israel of God.”

First of all, the Greek language scholar will know: kai has both a copulative and a cumulative force. The Greek word kai can be translated “and” or “even.” Copulative refers to the joining together of coordinate words or word groups and expressing addition of their meanings. Cumulative refers to a snowballing effect. It means increasing by successive additions. It is formed by the addition of new material of the same kind. The best way to illustrate this is that the word can be equally translated as “and” or “even.”

For example, in Luke 9:23 Jesus said: “If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and [Gr. kai] take up his cross daily, and follow me.” According to plain and straightforward contextual reading of this verse, and an examination of the original Greek, Jesus is speaking about the same thing. We are looking at one behavior, not two. To argue otherwise is to totally negate the meaning of the text.

This Greek coupling of kai epi in Galatians 6:16 is found together in a couple of other places in the New Testament. It is always helpful to compare similar or identical usages elsewhere in Scripture. This gives us a greater sense of meaning. Significantly, in these cases rather than suggesting a distinction in factions they actually show an enlargement of detail relating to the exact same subject matter. The coupling together of these words simply adds greater depth or more information to what has already been outlined. In each NT case, it is used in a cumulative sense. The second noun basically adds emphasis or further data to the first. It is therefore acceptable to interpret the same as “even on.”

An example of this is found in Christ’s words in Matthew 21:5, which similarly reads, “Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon [Gr. epi] an ass, and [Gr. kai epi] a colt the foal of an ass.”

The same idea is presented here (surrounded by the exact same key Greek words) as Galatians 6:16: epi ... kai epi (“on ... even on”). No one would be as naïve as to argue that the “ass” and the “colt” mentioned above are two different beasts. No, it is obvious that this is speaking of the one same animal. It literally reads, “on an ass, even on a colt the foal of an ass.” The “even on” simply adds further detail upon the description already given on the matter. In this case, not only is it an ass, but it is “a colt the foal of an ass.” This verse assists us in our understanding of Galatians 6:16, and illustrates the real import of this much-debated text.

The same formation of Greek words is found in the same sequence, in order to present the same idea in Revelation 14:6, which reads, “And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto [Gr. epi] them that dwell on the earth, and [Gr. kai epi] to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people.”

No sensible Bible student would suggest that that there are two different companies in view in this reading. Even though the word kai is translated “and” (like Galatians 6:16) in the KJV, it doesn’t negate the fact that those that are said to “dwell on the earth” are in fact those of “every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people.”

Galatians 6:16 therefore agrees with these other two passages. The construction of the passage in the original Greek leads us to the obvious conclusion that we are looking at one unitary people. There can be no doubt: the phrase “the Israel of God” is carefully and deliberately related to all those who have experienced the new birth (who are the focus of this passage).

 

[Marilyn C]

Of course Jesus sustains this tree. Of course He is the root. But what type of tree is it? Paul carefully describes the Jews who have been cut off as “natural branches” and being of “their own olive tree” (Romans 11:24). He is showing how we believing Gentiles have been brought into this elect Israeli tree on an equal standing to the believing Jews.

No one could surely dispute we are looking at an Israeli tree. Romans 11:24 explains, speaking about natural Israel: “these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?” This is an Israeli tree that holds Israeli citizens. But it was not merely a natural Israeli tree but a spiritual Israeli tree. After all, if it were simply natural there would be absolutely no reason to cut out natural Israelites simply on the grounds of their race. We are clearly looking at a spiritual tree that accommodates both the believing Jew and the believing Gentile from both Old and New Testament. It embodies all those who belong to the “household of faith” throughout time.



Jews and Gentiles finish up sharing the same citizenship and enjoying the same blessings. Gentiles are described as being “fellowcitizens” with Jews through the sovereign work of the Lord. What is this citizenship? It is plainly and unambiguously identified in the reading as “the citizenship of Israel.” God did not create a new Israel; the Gentiles were grafted into an existing organism.

Ephesians 2:19 shows that faithful Gentiles are “no more strangers and foreigners” (as in literal outsiders), but rather have become real active participating “fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God.” Through Christ, they enjoy a common “citizenship of Israel.” They are no longer alienated. There is no distinction between them in Christ.

We should carefully note: to belong to “the citizenship of Israel” requires saving faith. This proves that we are looking at a spiritual organism. What is more, natural birthright means absolutely nothing in regards to participating in this spiritual entity. Significantly, the people of God of all races have been integrated into true Israel – spiritual Israel, not natural Christ-rejecting Israel. Those Jews that made up the membership of the early Church – faithful Israel, have been joined by faithful Gentiles throughout the nations under the select designation of “the citizenship of Israel.”



Anything that sniffs of unity, oneness or merging of Jews and Gentiles you refute. Why is that? You are fixated with promoting an apartheid between the people of God. That is unbiblical. You turn Paul’s whole argument on its head and make it nonsensical by trying to maintain a distinction between Jewish believers and Gentile believers, when that was actually the opposite to Paul’s intent and totally opposite to what he was teaching in this passage. You put a division in Galatians 6:15-16 between Jewish and Gentile believers that actually contradicts everything that Paul was actually teaching and trying to repudiate in the text. He was actually demonstrating that one’s ethnic standing meant nothing when it comes to the blessing and favour of God, but rather it is only one’s spiritual standing that counts. He then adds a postscript: “And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.”

The reading declares, “And as many as walk according to this rule” (what rule?) – the non-racial new birth experience, – then “peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.” Paul places a blessing upon all who “walk according to this rule” – all who are conformed to this standard. As Christopher W. Cowan puts: “All who have experienced the new creation in Christ will have lives that manifest conformity to it” (Context Is Everything: “The Israel of God” in Galatians 6:16). Manifestly, Paul only had one company in mind: the redeemed Church of Jesus Christ.

kai epi

Galatians 6:15-16 states, “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on [Gr. epi] them, and mercy, even on [Gr. kai epi] the Israel of God.”

First of all, the Greek language scholar will know: kai has both a copulative and a cumulative force. The Greek word kai can be translated “and” or “even.” Copulative refers to the joining together of coordinate words or word groups and expressing addition of their meanings. Cumulative refers to a snowballing effect. It means increasing by successive additions. It is formed by the addition of new material of the same kind. The best way to illustrate this is that the word can be equally translated as “and” or “even.”

For example, in Luke 9:23 Jesus said: “If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and [Gr. kai] take up his cross daily, and follow me.” According to plain and straightforward contextual reading of this verse, and an examination of the original Greek, Jesus is speaking about the same thing. We are looking at one behavior, not two. To argue otherwise is to totally negate the meaning of the text.

This Greek coupling of kai epi in Galatians 6:16 is found together in a couple of other places in the New Testament. It is always helpful to compare similar or identical usages elsewhere in Scripture. This gives us a greater sense of meaning. Significantly, in these cases rather than suggesting a distinction in factions they actually show an enlargement of detail relating to the exact same subject matter. The coupling together of these words simply adds greater depth or more information to what has already been outlined. In each NT case, it is used in a cumulative sense. The second noun basically adds emphasis or further data to the first. It is therefore acceptable to interpret the same as “even on.”

An example of this is found in Christ’s words in Matthew 21:5, which similarly reads, “Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon [Gr. epi] an ass, and [Gr. kai epi] a colt the foal of an ass.”

The same idea is presented here (surrounded by the exact same key Greek words) as Galatians 6:16: epi ... kai epi (“on ... even on”). No one would be as naïve as to argue that the “ass” and the “colt” mentioned above are two different beasts. No, it is obvious that this is speaking of the one same animal. It literally reads, “on an ass, even on a colt the foal of an ass.” The “even on” simply adds further detail upon the description already given on the matter. In this case, not only is it an ass, but it is “a colt the foal of an ass.” This verse assists us in our understanding of Galatians 6:16, and illustrates the real import of this much-debated text.

The same formation of Greek words is found in the same sequence, in order to present the same idea in Revelation 14:6, which reads, “And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto [Gr. epi] them that dwell on the earth, and [Gr. kai epi] to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people.”

No sensible Bible student would suggest that that there are two different companies in view in this reading. Even though the word kai is translated “and” (like Galatians 6:16) in the KJV, it doesn’t negate the fact that those that are said to “dwell on the earth” are in fact those of “every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people.”

Galatians 6:16 therefore agrees with these other two passages. The construction of the passage in the original Greek leads us to the obvious conclusion that we are looking at one unitary people. There can be no doubt: the phrase “the Israel of God” is carefully and deliberately related to all those who have experienced the new birth (who are the focus of this passage).

As the root is Christ then that is what we, the Body of Christ and Israel are in. You are still trying to get us into Israel. They have nothing of themselves apart from God, the same as us.

However, both groups have different inheritances.

The B/C believers are citizens of heaven. (Phil. 3: 20) not Israel are you are trying to say.

Merging? God made the different groups for His purposes.

You write too much and don`t work through one topic or part thereof. If you want to do that then I will discuss, but I`m not into reading and writing long pieces.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

As the root is Christ then that is what we, the Body of Christ and Israel are in. You are still trying to get us into Israel. They have nothing of themselves apart from God, the same as us.

However, both groups have different inheritances.

The B/C believers are citizens of heaven. (Phil. 3: 20) not Israel are you are trying to say.

Merging? God made the different groups for His purposes.

You write too much and don`t work through one topic or part thereof. If you want to do that then I will discuss, but I`m not into reading and writing long pieces.

He writes too much? Are you kidding? When you read the Bible do you just read one or two verses at a time? You ignored everything he said and your excuse is that he wrote too much, which he did not. He explained how the scriptures should be understood. The scriptures clearly teach about a spiritual Israel in contrast to the nation of Israel, but you ignore that. You don't want to learn anything. Sad.

 

[WPM]

As the root is Christ then that is what we, the Body of Christ and Israel are in. You are still trying to get us into Israel. They have nothing of themselves apart from God, the same as us.

However, both groups have different inheritances.

The B/C believers are citizens of heaven. (Phil. 3: 20) not Israel are you are trying to say.

Merging? God made the different groups for His purposes.

You write too much and don`t work through one topic or part thereof. If you want to do that then I will discuss, but I`m not into reading and writing long pieces.

LOL. You ignored every point. You are ducking around the evidence (once again). You have to! I have showed how we are true Israel. The evidence is irrefutable. That is why you cannot rebut it.

Christ is true Israel. We are in Christ. We are therefore true Israel.

 

[WPM]

As the root is Christ then that is what we, the Body of Christ and Israel are in. You are still trying to get us into Israel. They have nothing of themselves apart from God, the same as us.

However, both groups have different inheritances.

The B/C believers are citizens of heaven. (Phil. 3: 20) not Israel are you are trying to say.

Merging? God made the different groups for His purposes.

You write too much and don`t work through one topic or part thereof. If you want to do that then I will discuss, but I`m not into reading and writing long pieces.

I notice that you do not engage with any of the key points that forbid Dispensensationalism. You just keep repeating what you have been taught. That highlights how it cannot abide biblical scrutiny. This shows how watertight the rebuttals are.

 

[jeffweeder]

As the root is Christ then that is what we, the Body of Christ and Israel are in.

The Body of Christ is true Israel. Jesus came to Israel first and true Israel ( his sheep) believed. Some of Israel also rejected him, showing themselves as not true Israel. The door remains open for future Israelies to accept Christ, as the Lord has other sheep amongst the Gentiles that he will bring into true Israel before the door is fully shut for all people.

Jn 10
14 I am the Good Shepherd, and I know [without any doubt those who are] My own and My own know Me [and have a deep, personal relationship with Me]— 15 even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father—and I lay down My [very own] life [sacrificing it] for the benefit of the sheep. 16 I have other sheep [beside these] that are not of this fold. I must bring those also, and they will listen to My voice and pay attention to My call, and they will become one flock with one Shepherd.

 

[Marilyn C]

He writes too much? Are you kidding? When you read the Bible do you just read one or two verses at a time? You ignored everything he said and your excuse is that he wrote too much, which he did not. He explained how the scriptures should be understood. The scriptures clearly teach about a spiritual Israel in contrast to the nation of Israel, but you ignore that. You don't want to learn anything. Sad.

I addressed what he said about the Olive tree being Israel.

`He is showing how we believing Gentiles have been brought into this elect Israeli tree on an equal standing to the believing Jews.`

The ROOT is Jesus and thus the tree. The olive tree is Israel IN Christ Jesus. NOT `this elect Israeli tree` as he said.

 

[Marilyn C]

LOL. You ignored every point. You are ducking around the evidence (once again). You have to! I have showed how we are true Israel. The evidence is irrefutable. That is why you cannot rebut it.

Christ is true Israel. We are in Christ. We are therefore true Israel.

Christ is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. Is Israel any of that?

 

[Marilyn C]

I notice that you do not engage with any of the key points that forbid Dispensensationalism. You just keep repeating what you have been taught. That highlights how it cannot abide biblical scrutiny. This shows how watertight the rebuttals are.

Key point AGAIN.

I addressed what you said about the Olive tree being Israel.

`He is showing how we believing Gentiles have been brought into this elect Israeli tree on an equal standing to the believing Jews.`

The ROOT is Jesus and thus the tree. The olive tree is Israel IN Christ Jesus. NOT `this elect Israeli tree` as you said.

 

[Marilyn C]

The Body of Christ is true Israel. Jesus came to Israel first and true Israel ( his sheep) believed. Some of Israel also rejected him, showing themselves as not true Israel. The door remains open for future Israelies to accept Christ, as the Lord has other sheep amongst the Gentiles that he will bring into true Israel before the door is fully shut for all people.

Jn 10
14 I am the Good Shepherd, and I know [without any doubt those who are] My own and My own know Me [and have a deep, personal relationship with Me]— 15 even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father—and I lay down My [very own] life [sacrificing it] for the benefit of the sheep. 16 I have other sheep [beside these] that are not of this fold. I must bring those also, and they will listen to My voice and pay attention to My call, and they will become one flock with one Shepherd.

The `fold` is the kingdom of God and God made different groups to rule in each of His different realms.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I notice that you do not engage with any of the key points that forbid Dispensensationalism. You just keep repeating what you have been taught. That highlights how it cannot abide biblical scrutiny. This shows how watertight the rebuttals are.

The reason she doesn't engage with any of those points is that she is completely unprepared to address any challenges to her beliefs, which clearly shows that she has been brainwashed by dispensationalist teaching.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Key point AGAIN.

I addressed what you said about the Olive tree being Israel.

`He is showing how we believing Gentiles have been brought into this elect Israeli tree on an equal standing to the believing Jews.`

The ROOT is Jesus and thus the tree. The olive tree is Israel IN Christ Jesus. NOT `this elect Israeli tree` as you said.

To be part of the "Israel in Christ Jesus" one must have faith in Christ Jesus, right? That is contrasted with the nation of Israel that only requires being a physical descendant of Israel. Do you not think that those who have faith in Christ Jesus are the elect? Why do you have an issue with him calling the "Israel in Christ Jesus" the "elect Israeli tree"?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Christ is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. Is Israel any of that?

How do you interpret this passage...

Romans 9:6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.