He cannot address God's Word and he cannot even explain Scripture. He just relays what he has been taught.
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Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture
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He cannot address God's Word and he cannot even explain Scripture. He just relays what he has been taught.
... and the ducking and diving continues.
They are incapable of refuting the Amil Ops. That is because they are biblical, factual and watertight.
Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 15 - New King James Version
The Risen Christ, Faith’s Reality - Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you first...
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Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 15 - New King James Version
The Risen Christ, Faith’s Reality - Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you first...
The Risen Christ, Faith’s Reality
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by [a]Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have [b]fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.
9 For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11 Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.
You are not saved because you believe Christ was the Son of God, you are saved by believing in the gospel of Christ.
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. But of course believing Christ is the Lord, the Son of God is a part of believing. But you must also believe in the resurrection, that God raised Christ from the dead.
For without the resurrection, your faith is in vain.
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5 For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.” 6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) 7 or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. But of course believing Christ is the Lord, the Son of God is a part of believing. But you must also believe in the resurrection, that God raised Christ from the dead.
For without the resurrection, your faith is in vain.
Bible Gateway passage: Romans 10 - New King James Version
Israel Needs the Gospel - Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness...
Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 15:14-19 - King James Version
And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ...
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14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 15:14-19 - King James Version
And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ...
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
amigo de christo
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never ever , ever , and do i mean never ever suckle from the richard of ecumenical in erfaith .You are not saved because you believe Christ was the Son of God, you are saved by believing in the gospel of Christ.
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. But of course believing Christ is the Lord, the Son of God is a part of believing. But you must also believe in the resurrection, that God raised Christ from the dead.
For without the resurrection, your faith is in vain.
5 For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.” 6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) 7 or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”Bible Gateway passage: Romans 10 - New King James Version
Israel Needs the Gospel - Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness...
Muslims follow satan . END of discussion .
Oh wait , maybe its not the end of the dicussion
cause so DOES ANYONE AND EVERYONE who BELIEVES NOT JESUS IS THE CHRIST , YES IS THE SON OF GOD
YES WAS RESSURECTED .
so i have two lots of news for us
NEVER suckle f rom the paps of a harlot
or the richard of ecumenism . FOR BELEIVE ME tis the same ONE YA SUCK FROM . I cannot
give an answer to my richard expression before all . BUT feel free to ask me in private .
rebuilder 454
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You are not saved because you believe Christ was the Son of God, you are saved by believing in the gospel of Christ.
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. But of course believing Christ is the Lord, the Son of God is a part of believing. But you must also believe in the resurrection, that God raised Christ from the dead.
For without the resurrection, your faith is in vain.
5 For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.” 6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) 7 or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”Bible Gateway passage: Romans 10 - New King James Version
Israel Needs the Gospel - Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness...
Salvation is a person.
Not a formula.
Paul was arrested by Jesus.
No salvation formula.
You got the cart before the horse.
You got the bible bigger than the one that wrote it.
I know you don't seem to like what the scripture actually says, so criticize that not me as I quoted the scripture.
Paul was arrested as Paul was a chosen to be an apostle and really Christ arrests - teaches- persuades all He has foreknown as His.
Bible Gateway passage: Romans 8 - King James Version
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh...
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
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Bible Gateway passage: Romans 8 - King James Version
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh...
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
48 I am that bread of life.
49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Hi WPM,
The first and second are NOT in order BUT type. Jesus tells us this.
`...those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.` (John 5: 29)
First resurrection - to life.
Second resurrection - to condemnation.
And each in their own time.
You are ducking around the obvious to support your false teaching. Denying the "resurrection" of Christ is the "first" is grievous.
- Who is "the first that should rise" in Acts 26:23?
- Who is "the firstborn from the dead" in Colossians 1:18?
- Who is "the firstfruits of them that slept" in 1 Corinthians 15:20?
- Who is "first begotten of the dead" in Revelation 1:5?
I rest my case!
There is therefore no other first resurrection in Scripture. Any other is second or more.
There is one singular general resurrection when Jesus comes. This is the end. The wicked are destroyed. There is no imaginary 1000 years in-between in. Check the text. Jesus explains in John 5:28-29, “Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
Jesus taught a singular time (or hour) that is coming when all of the dead will be raised. Please notice “the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth.” We are not just looking at the righteous, we are looking at both the righteous and the wicked. The passage goes on to confirm: “they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” All that are in the graves will come forth when He comes. The righteous will be ushered into His glorious kingdom, the wicked shall be damned for all eternity in the lake of fire.
The righteous and wicked dead all rise in response to the same sovereign voice - Christ's. Christ’s description of the resurrection depicts a unitary event, albeit in two parts. Part 1 is the elect; Part 2 is the wicked. Jesus explains in John 5:28-29, “Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth.” Evidently there is only one resurrection albeit involving two separated aspects: “they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
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Hello! Their bodies are there. Read 1 Thess 4. You are destroying your own doctrine by making such statements.
All that are in the graves saved and lost are raised When Jesus returns. That is if you take the text literal - which we are finding Premils do not. They butcher Scripture to suit their teaching. They have no consistent or objective hermeneutics. They move the goal posts every time a text forbids their error.
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`all who are in the graves...` (John 5: 28)
The Body of Christ and OT saints are NOT in their bodies. 1 Thess. 4: reveals that they have to join with their body.
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