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Not at all. I see the Old Man as one that is "undisturbed" by the light of God at regeneration. We go from darkness to light in an INITIAL grace. We go from Romans 6 to Romans 7 in this way. Yet there is still the sin factory to deal with. To go from Romans 7 to 8 requires the operation of God that crucifies the flesh nature of the outer man to empower the inner man into the walk that is in Christ...in the POWER of HIS resurrection.
I do not think a lot of people understand what exactly the power of his resurrection means. Would be a good topic to explore especially Philippians 3.
I was planning a podcast on that very chapter....called "Paul's manifesto!" Good call!
Looking forward to it, especially how you handle "those who are perfect..." From what I am coming to understand there is a maturity in the faith that we reach, a completeness, a contentment, which underlines the meaning of the word perfect.
Hi Epi,Hi Wynona! I don't think we get a chance to exchange ideas too often!
The Light from heaven EXPOSES us...otherwise we would never repent. So then a doctrine that has God covering up our sins is not one that is based on the light of God.
God is the one that crucifies our outer man...as we surrender fully to Him. He chooses what He will do with us...whether we are ready or not for the higher walk in the Spirit. He "vets" us when He is pleased with our attitude of contrition.
When we are permitted to enter into Christ in a personal way, then the righteousness of God covers us as an anointing. From there we reflect His righteousness (in holiness) to the world around us.
Peace to you.....and I think the dust has settled on this thread.
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Basically, it's us who need to surrender or, empty ourselves so we can choose to give Him everything and He will strengthen us or, give us a way out of temptation so we sin less and less as He shows us...ourselves. All in relation to how much we are willing to let go. JM2C
Aah sinless perfection and those who have obtained it. Let's listen to them.
What does the Word of God say? Yes God deems the believer who is IN CHRIST to be as righteous as God. Don't you care what the Bible actually says?
I didn’t say I had attained it. It helps if you actually pay attention.
Amen! We can put on the perfection of Christ to walk as He walked. In Him is no sin.
Oh okay. That wasn’t my experience so I can’t speak to it. But you go how He leads you.
Thank you, Father, for giving good gifts!
You are always so irascible, grumpy! You sure did make sure to say gift enough times that I wouldn’t miss it!
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An "aravon" is indeed a downpayment of sorts. The rest is only given when the appropriate conditions are met. Who is doing the purchasing? God purchases the free sample for us and MAKES AVAILABLE THE FULL MEASURE...but we must be the ones who pay to receive that full measure. We have to let something go before receiving the fulness of the promise. And so very few are willing to let go of what they have to get what can only come from the Lord. I find it amazing that multiple bible verses that negate what you are saying have NO sway whatsoever on your entrenched (in the religious outer man) way of thinking.
Not so much. The container indeed contains and controls it until the power of the cross comes to bear to break it and allow what is growing inside to come out. The outer man is a husk that limits (buries) the talent of grace that is sown in the inner man. It is only as the husk is broken that the life of the seed of Christ sown within can come out into the world and bear an eternal fruit. The parable of the talents shows that those who receive an initial grace will be tempted to keep it buried in the outer man...by NOT going to the cross to pay the price for the talent to do its work. Those who have understood God's way in Christ...and the power thereof, will go on to produce more fruit. But the ones who live FROM the outer man (with the free sample remaining buried until judgment day) will be seen as unprofitable (even wicked) since they lived only for themselves in the face of the high cost of redemption. If our Master paid all...what is our response? Just saying "thank you"....or also going to the cross to bear eternal fruit? There is a reason why we were purchased...and that's not to be uplifted in our own sensibilities.
This has to do with the way the bible has been translated. A little word here and there can change the meaning. Those who are Christ's have the flesh crucified (Or...have been crucified in the flesh). It doesn't say that we crucify ourselves.
Aha! At last someone who admits that light covers up darkness. We can always count on @Enoch111 to make outrageous and irrational claims based on religious misreadings of the bible!
The key here is "in Him". We are to REFLECT God's righteousness in the world. We are not a source of righteousness...but we are to REFLECT His righteousness in the world. We are as the moon not the sun. The sun IMPARTS (not imputes) its light to the moon to reflect light to the earth. (The Catholic idea is correct and the Protestant view is in error on this)
There it is again! A bad understanding based on a misreading of the bible. Happens so much!
Sure, just like Abraham. But that's not the righteousness of God...it is human righteousness. Can we impute the light of the sun to the moon? No, we impute the reflected light from the moon TO the sun. So that the source is not the moon but the sun. You are making righteousness to come from people...NOT God. Way to get things exactly backwards! Paul says that he has NO righteousness...he is NOT the source of any righteousness. But rather He surrenders to God in order to reflect HIS righteousness in the world.
Sure. But this doesn't mean that people can declare themselves righteous...that's self-righteousness. Abraham never declared himself as being righteous. God did. You can argue how righteous you are all day long...it doesn't make it true. The standard for faith in God's sight is with God...never with us. We are too tainted with sin and selfishness to judge ourselves in any eternal measure. We are to wait on the Lord for HIS approbation and confirmation.
Exactly. Who will believe that Enoch111 is as righteous as God? Only him.
As time goes on, my "passions", or "emotions" can be over the edge...with myself not another. The crying thing which comes immediately after a breakdown can be deeply sorrowful. It has this hold on me that will not break
I can surrender it to Christ everyday and every morning it is there still, no matter how I plead for Him to kill it. I causes me to sin (at least, I think it is sin) in ways that hurt myself after the dust settles. Oh how having a calm, gentle spirit must be like!!! That's been a huge prayer of mine but, He is silent there and we KNOW he does not always "change" us in some ways.
