Instruction in righteousness

[Mr E]

To whom much is given, more is required.

Teachers of error will be judged more severely. And the bible says to preach the gospel to the poor.

And James says this about the poor... James 2:5,6

Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?



And read Luke 6 about the rich...


(in a bit of a rush...all for now! )

So that's "a no."

Do you have any scriptural reference for this? Where is it written that the poor will be judged less severely because of their attitude?

You have considerable difficulty giving straight answers to direct questions. Often, when people "make stuff up" and attribute it to scripture they appeal to "the whole of scripture" as justification, not honest enough to admit 'the hole of scripture' where their particular assertions are concerned.

 

[Nancy]

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[Nancy]

So that's "a no."



You have considerable difficulty giving straight answers to direct questions. Often, when people "make stuff up" and attribute it to scripture they appeal to "the whole of scripture" as justification, not honest enough to admit 'the hole of scripture' where their particular assertions are concerned.

Mr E said:
"Do you have any scriptural reference for this? Where is it written that the poor will be judged less severely because of their attitude?"

I'm sorry brother, but it seems that Epi DID give you plenty of scripture references:

Epi: "To whom much is given, more is required. <--- Scriptural. Luke 12:48

Teachers of error will be judged more severely. And the bible says to preach the gospel to the poor.<--- James 3:1 Luke 4:18

And James says this about the poor... James 2:5,6

Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats? <---- James 2:5

And read Luke 6 about the rich..."

How can you say that Epi does not give scripture references? This is full of scripture...and only scripture.

 

[Episkopos]

Mr E said:
"Do you have any scriptural reference for this? Where is it written that the poor will be judged less severely because of their attitude?"

I'm sorry brother, but it seems that Epi DID give you plenty of scripture references:

Epi: "To whom much is given, more is required. <--- Scriptural. Luke 12:48

Teachers of error will be judged more severely. And the bible says to preach the gospel to the poor.<--- James 3:1 Luke 4:18

And James says this about the poor... James 2:5,6

Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats? <---- James 2:5

And read Luke 6 about the rich..."

How can you say that Epi does not give scripture references? This is full of scripture...and only scripture.

Hey Nancy. I'm used to posters denying the truth of the Bible. So many only pay attention to verses and ideas that they LIKE or WANT the bible to say. So these ignore obvious biblical truth and exposition. It's very hard to have an honest dialogue with those who live from the outer man.

So then the one who says I use the whole counsel of God to hide "my" teachings in...instead takes away from the bible to hide their ideas.

But we don't lose heart. At any time...the inner man of faith can rise up and silence the outer man and his vain religion. It makes me think of the scene in LOTR where Golum says..."go away and NEVER come back" :)

 

[Nancy]

Hey Nancy. I'm used to posters denying the truth of the Bible. So many only pay attention to verses and ideas that they LIKE or WANT the bible to say. So these ignore obvious biblical truth and exposition. It's very hard to have an honest dialogue with those who live from the outer man.

So then the one who says I use the whole counsel of God to hide "my" teachings in...instead takes away from the bible to hide their ideas.

But we don't lose heart. At any time...the inner man of faith can rise up and silence the outer man and his vain religion. It makes me think of the scene in LOTR where Golum says..."go away and NEVER come back" :)

Lol, good ole Golum! I'm seeing more and more of how we are NOT to build our new man "over" the old man as has been taught for ever. It doesn't even make sense really. Like in the Victorian age when folks would continue to apply perfume over their body odor...my guess is it was not a good combination of odors...yikes!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Okay, that’s it. Everyone keeps talking about LOTR for years. I’m feeling a bit sick and can’t make my brain work much. Finally going to go see if I can watch it.

 

[Nancy]

Okay, that’s it. Everyone keeps talking about LOTR for years. I’m feeling a bit sick and can’t make my brain work much. Finally going to go see if I can watch it.

I only watched very little back when it came out, I only know the names of the characters from friends and family who got really into it. I might go ahead and watch it too.
One of my brothers has a cat who his kids named Gandalf, lol.

 

[Mr E]

Mr E said:
"Do you have any scriptural reference for this? Where is it written that the poor will be judged less severely because of their attitude?"

I'm sorry brother, but it seems that Epi DID give you plenty of scripture references:

Epi: "To whom much is given, more is required. <--- Scriptural. Luke 12:48

Teachers of error will be judged more severely. And the bible says to preach the gospel to the poor.<--- James 3:1 Luke 4:18

And James says this about the poor... James 2:5,6

Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats? <---- James 2:5

And read Luke 6 about the rich..."

How can you say that Epi does not give scripture references? This is full of scripture...and only scripture.

Hi Nancy.

One of those verses say that “the poor will be judged less severely (than the rich) because of their attitude.”

That’s idea is at best sewn together from snips.

@Episkopos makes a habit of this sewing circle theology with willing participants like you humming along.

I asked specific questions, he sidestepped. It’s simple as that. If he asserts that what he says is scriptural the way he states it, where is the direct reference.

You can watch his head explode everything anyone challenges his self-constructed doctrines. I’m very familiar with scripture— each one you referenced and none of them say what he asserts.

He has a political bias and a doctrinal bent. Perhaps you can’t see this, but others can. It’s wonderful that you and Jen have become his cheerleaders—- shake those pom poms to your hearts content, but there is no demand that others agree with so much of his nonsense.

God is no respecter of persons, much less pocketbooks.

 

[Mr E]

Hey Nancy. I'm used to posters denying the truth of the Bible. So many only pay attention to verses and ideas that they LIKE or WANT the bible to say. So these ignore obvious biblical truth and exposition. It's very hard to have an honest dialogue with those who live from the outer man.

So then the one who says I use the whole counsel of God to hide "my" teachings in...instead takes away from the bible to hide their ideas.

But we don't lose heart. At any time...the inner man of faith can rise up and silence the outer man and his vain religion. It makes me think of the scene in LOTR where Golum says..."go away and NEVER come back" :)

I think your inner man has plenty of walk around room within your giant ego. It’s rare to see such hubris on full display.

You live in a fantasy world Frodo.

 

[marks]

I only watched very little back when it came out, I only know the names of the characters from friends and family who got really into it. I might go ahead and watch it too.
One of my brothers has a cat who his kids named Gandalf, lol.

I was bored to tears by The Hobbit. I made it half way through before I couldn't take it any longer. All my friends were into it back in the day. I'm just not.

Much love!

 

[Nancy]

Hi Nancy.

One of those verses say that “the poor will be judged less severely (than the rich) because of their attitude.”

That’s idea is at best sewn together from snips.

@Episkopos makes a habit of this sewing circle theology with willing participants like you humming along.

I asked specific questions, he sidestepped. It’s simple as that. If he asserts that what he says is scriptural the way he states it, where is the direct reference.

You can watch his head explode everything anyone challenges his self-constructed doctrines. I’m very familiar with scripture— each one you referenced and none of them say what he asserts.

He has a political bias and a doctrinal bent. Perhaps you can’t see this, but others can. It’s wonderful that you and Jen have become his cheerleaders—- shake those pom poms to your hearts content, but there is no demand that others agree with so much of his nonsense.

God is no respecter of persons, much less pocketbooks.

You can think what you want Mr. E but, I am nobody's cheerleader! There is not a single person, probably in the whole of the church that anyone agrees on every single thing that is taught. Everybody who posts on here pretty much think that THEY are correct and the other is wrong...it never stops. Epi has taught me many things over the years and still, there are some things I do not agree with that he teaches but, how is that different than anyone else? Throw the baby out with the bathwater? I am also in agreement with some things from SDA, JW, and LDS...but then, there are many of their doctrines I do NOT agree with and never will.
Epi studies to "show himself approved" and perhaps it is not to your liking, and you do not have to agree with him...you could also put him, me and Stunned on ignore so you won't get all hot under the collar and start in on the personal attacks, and your presumptuousness.
God bless and keep.

 

[Mr E]

You can think what you want Mr. E but, I am nobody's cheerleader! There is not a single person, probably in the whole of the church that anyone agrees on every single thing that is taught. Everybody who posts on here pretty much think that THEY are correct and the other is wrong...it never stops. Epi has taught me many things over the years and still, there are some things I do not agree with that he teaches but, how is that different than anyone else? Throw the baby out with the bathwater? I am also in agreement with some things from SDA, JW, and LDS...but then, there are many of their doctrines I do NOT agree with and never will.
Epi studies to "show himself approved" and perhaps it is not to your liking, and you do not have to agree with him...you could also put him, me and Stunned on ignore so you won't get all hot under the collar and start in on the personal attacks, and your presumptuousness.
God bless and keep.

I'm never hot under the collar Nancy. I try to maintain a sense of humor, as well as a sense of direction.


Which personal attacks are you referencing? Like calling someone Gollum? I didn't make the association.

Secondly, if someone can self-appoint themselves to be an Episkopus, can another not appoint themselves Episkopus' Episkopus? He needs someone to watch over him, because he says a lot of things that just aren't true. You place him in good company with the SDA, JW and LDS doctrines.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

One of those verses say that “the poor will be judged less severely (than the rich) because of their attitude.”

That’s idea is at best sewn together from snips.

@Episkopos makes a habit of this sewing circle theology with willing participants like you humming along.

It’s not talking about money. That is of this kingdom. And the attitude he was referring to is humility. It was hidden from you because he paraphrased, which is a good way to see if someone has understood what they read - see if they can pick out the truth of a statement without the thees and thous and usual wordings. So, given that, in concert with many other Verses, who are the rich and who are the poor? From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked. Doesn’t this also say that less will be expected of those who weren’t given as much? So we see the rich and the poor here.

Then the righteous will answer Him, Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? And when did we see You a stranger and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?
make friends for yourselves by means of the wealth of unrighteousness, so that when it is all gone, they will receive you into the eternal dwellings. (And this will be true despite what the rich in here say about the poor!)

 

[Nancy]

So you mock and think everything here is so funny. YOU are acting arrogant, but you don't see that, do you? You are so NOT edifying and I will do what you should also do, use the ignore feature so as to not be subject to anymore infighting. And you must stop with the personal attacks and such presumption.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Enjoying LOTR. Halfway through first movie in the trilogy. I would be very surprised if the writer of it was not a Christian…

 

[Episkopos]

I'm never hot under the collar Nancy. I try to maintain a sense of humor, as well as a sense of direction.


Which personal attacks are you referencing? Like calling someone Gollum? I didn't make the association.

Secondly, if someone can self-appoint themselves to be an Episkopus, can another not appoint themselves Episkopus' Episkopus? He needs someone to watch over him, because he says a lot of things that just aren't true. You place him in good company with the SDA, JW and LDS doctrines.

I do find you funny...and in more ways than one!

As I have said.. I don't expect random people from the internet to agree with the deeper issues concerning the way in Christ. The way is narrow and few will find it. And ego champions will have zero idea of what I'm talking about. Of course you will mock...I remember on other sites this guy from Europe somewhere...a non-believer...who would infiltrate the threads so he could mock the foolishness of people's faith. I think his name was Visarion. Very smart guy. He fooled a lot of people. But I would respond to him with the same gibberish he was posting with...didn't take him seriously at all. Which comes to me not taking you seriously at all. I'm sure no matter what we talked about...any subject...your mocking tone would be on full display.

What we won't see is a serious thread from you that uplifts the way that is in Christ.

Maybe do a thread on being a mocker and how that works out?

 

[David H.]

Enjoying LOTR. Halfway through first movie in the trilogy. I would be very surprised if the writer of it was not a Christian…

In case your wondering Tolkien was a Catholic.

 

[marks]

see if they can pick out the truth of a statement without the thees and thous and usual wordings.

Taking verses out of context and rewording them is the classic way to misuse Scripture to promote false ideas. It's a lot harder to support error when someone posts full passages in context.

But that just won't work for these doctrines.

Much love!

 

[Nancy]

Did I get that wrong? It was a name @Nancy called you. Insight is a gift.

Mmm, no...I never called Stunned by "Jennie". I do sometimes refer to her as "Jen" though.

 

[Mr E]

Enjoying LOTR. Halfway through first movie in the trilogy. I would be very surprised if the writer of it was not a Christian…

Great movies.