Irrefutable biblical proof that death is abolished at the second coming

[Timtofly]

It would be nice if Premils actually addressed the scriptural arguments outlined here. But they consistently do not. They avoid.

"Then cometh the end."

The Second Coming is not the same cometh as the end. The word "then" identifies two seperate comings.

Otherwise it would read, "at the Second Coming, which is the end."

It is you who changes Scripture.

Sure you can bring up the Greek:

"Then the end when he shall hand over the kingdom."

The word "then" is still there.

Jesus cannot hand over the kingdom at the Second Coming. The 7 Trumpets have to sound and the 7 Thunders have to happen. Besides all the works of mankind have all been burned up. What kingdom is there on earth to hand over to God?

That is why Jesus as King will rule until the end to establish that kingdom that is handed over to God.

Are you saying the word "cometh" should be left out of English translations?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

How long is "eternal" in your opinion?
How long is "everlasting" in your opinion?

Forever!

 

[WPM]

Forever! View attachment 41740

That is how long the spiritual life is He gives His elect.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

That is how long the spiritual life is He gives His elect.

As long as they abide in Christ.

Those that turn away from the faith were saved, but after turning away they are no longer saved and have turned away from eternal salvation in the Lord.

Unless you believe one can go back to living in sin and still be saved?
Is this the doctrine you embrace, that we can live in sin and still be saved?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I am out of town at the moment. I only have a cell phone. I will address when I get a chance. For the record, I do not see any mention of a 1000 years in any of them. Maybe you could show that before I get home.

If there was a verse other than the one in Revelation stating 1000 years, you would distort it with a symbolic explanation.
The point is, at the Cross, Jesus defeated death for thise who believe in Him. So throughout this Christian age, the penalty of spiritual was defeated. Then you pointed out that at the end times, Death, Hades and everyone in it would be destroyed and then thatvwouldbusher in a New Jerusalem, eternity , second death, second resurrection, etc. We good so far?
But the scriptures I presented speak of a quite different age ON the first earth, ruled by Jesus (physically in Jerusalem), with many nations still existing, many languages, children being born, life extended for centuries, peace on earth, animals in harmony, everyone believing and worship Christ, visiting him in Jerusalem year after year (btw, years imply sun, moon, stars, the first heavens ens still existing); with death still real and all this separate from the time we live in and the New Jerusalem when there will be no morw death, no marriage, no procreation. Get it? Three different ages.

 

[WPM]

If there was a verse other than the one in Revelation stating 1000 years, you would distort it with a symbolic explanation.
The point is, at the Cross, Jesus defeated death for thise who believe in Him. So throughout this Christian age, the penalty of spiritual was defeated. Then you pointed out that at the end times, Death, Hades and everyone in it would be destroyed and then thatvwouldbusher in a New Jerusalem, eternity , second death, second resurrection, etc. We good so far?
But the scriptures I presented speak of a quite different age ON the first earth, ruled by Jesus (physically in Jerusalem), with many nations still existing, many languages, children being born, life extended for centuries, peace on earth, animals in harmony, everyone believing and worship Christ, visiting him in Jerusalem year after year (btw, years imply sun, moon, stars, the first heavens ens still existing); with death still real and all this separate from the time we live in and the New Jerusalem when there will be no morw death, no marriage, no procreation. Get it? Three different ages.

No. That is not true.

Because you have no corroboration for your supposed future millennial kingdom, you force "last days" Scriptures (that relate to the here-and-now) and NHNE passages (that relate to the eternal state) into your supposed future age in between "this age" and "the age to come" (that Scripture knows nothing about).

 

[WPM]

As long as they abide in Christ.

Those that turn away from the faith were saved, but after turning away they are no longer saved and have turned away from eternal salvation in the Lord.

Unless you believe one can go back to living in sin and still be saved? View attachment 41760
Is this the doctrine you embrace, that we can live in sin and still be saved?

A true child of God is never content with indwelling sin. When they rebel, conviction and chastisement kick in. If that is not the reality, there is no salvation. God never forsakes His elect who have been predestined unto salvation. He always finds the sheep that goes astray.

 

[No Pre-TB]

Your very Avatar comes across as dogmatic and potentially offensive. Should we interpret that as a sign of pride?

You can interpret anyway you like. As long as it’s with love per Christ command.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

God never forsakes His elect who have been predestined unto salvation.

There we go folks... Christians can live in sin and still be saved!

Eternal security... is false doctrine because God created man in His Own Image which is how mankind got free will, therefore God does not force anyone to continue abiding in Him (see John 15)

1 Timothy 4:1,2
Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

("depart from the faith" is not referring to sinners in the world who never came to faith in the first place)

2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

2 Peter 2:1-3
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying (contradicting, Not agreeing with) the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness (idolatry) shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not.

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness (no self control, living after the flesh), and denying (contradicting, opposing Jesus’ teachings) the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (referring to false teachers and false brethren - see Matthew 13:24-30)

(Deny = Strong's G0720… to contradict, disavow, reject, deny, refuse - and Strong's G4483… the idea of pouring forth, to utter, speak of or say, command)

Jude 1:17-21
Remember the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
These are those who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
But you, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

("those who separate themselves" is not referring to sinners in the world who were never joined unto the Lord in the first place)

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

No. That is not true.

Because you have no corroboration for your supposed future millennial kingdom, you force "last days" Scriptures (that relate to the here-and-now) and NHNE passages (that relate to the eternal state) into your supposed future age in between "this age" and "the age to come" (that Scripture knows nothing about).

You did not address each scripture and place it. None of them are in the here and now nor do they exist after the first heavens and first earth are destroyed. The New Jerusalem does not have children dying at 100 years old. You are avoiding each passage and making general statements.

 

[WPM]

You can interpret anyway you like. As long as it’s with love per Christ command.

Dogmaticism is what marks most posters on here, including myself and yourself. The pragmatists (understandably) tend to avoid places like this.

 

[WPM]

You did not address each scripture and place it. None of them are in the here and now nor do they exist after the first heavens and first earth are destroyed. The New Jerusalem does not have children dying at 100 years old. You are avoiding each passage and making general statements. I'M DONE. THAT'S ALL FOLKS.

Lol. Of course you are. Forcing a NHNE passage (Isa 65) into your imaginary future millennium is indefensible. Same with a last days passage (Isa 2). You have to run, because you have zero corroboration.

 

[WPM]

There we go folks... Christians can live in sin and still be saved! View attachment 41767

Eternal security... is false doctrine because God created man in His Own Image which is how mankind got free will, therefore God does not force anyone to continue abiding in Him (see John 15)

1 Timothy 4:1,2
Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

("depart from the faith" is not referring to sinners in the world who never came to faith in the first place)

2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

2 Peter 2:1-3
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying (contradicting, Not agreeing with) the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness (idolatry) shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not.

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness (no self control, living after the flesh), and denying (contradicting, opposing Jesus’ teachings) the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (referring to false teachers and false brethren - see Matthew 13:24-30)

(Deny = Strong's G0720… to contradict, disavow, reject, deny, refuse - and Strong's G4483… the idea of pouring forth, to utter, speak of or say, command)

Jude 1:17-21
Remember the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
These are those who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
But you, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

("those who separate themselves" is not referring to sinners in the world who were never joined unto the Lord in the first place)

You even read what I wrote?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You even read what I wrote?

Yes, I read what you said that came from the heretic John Calvin when you said "God never forsakes His elect who have been predestined unto salvation"

Man has free will so if man turns away from the Lord... they are no longer saved and God does not elect a few and send the rest to hell.

 

[WPM]

Yes, I read what you said that came from the heretic John Calvin when you said "God never forsakes His elect who have been predestined unto salvation"

Man has free will so if man turns away from the Lord... they are no longer saved and God does not elect a few and send the rest to hell.

Man has a free will to sin. He does not have a free will to come to God.

I shudder at you writing a great man like Calvin off. What have you done in comparison with him?

 

[WPM]

Okay, since you lack understanding of the order of events and dismiss the literal meanings of events in Revelation, let's try the Old Testament.

Question: Where In your timeline can you insert these following prophetic events?

And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.”Zech. 14:16

> After the Great Tribulation, which is not a destruction of the earth, nations and languages still exist!
> After the destruction of the first earth, the first heavens, Death, Hades and everyone in it, there will not be nations or multiple languages anymore, only tue New Jerusalem, with billions of Christians who speak one language.

Where is a "millennial kingdom" mentioned here? You have to add into unto the biblical texts.

There is rarely a theological argument presented by Premils explaining their position on Revelation 20 that does not submit Zechariah 14 as supporting evidence for their position. Premils talk as if these two texts fit together neatly to support their viewpoint. The only problem is, careful study of both will find there is no correlation between the detail in Zechariah 14 and that in Revelation 20. Trying to associate one with the other is like putting a square peg into a round whole. The detail is completely different.

First of all, Zechariah 14 makes absolutely no allusion to a future 1,000 years after the second coming, or does Zechariah 14 compare with any of the detail outlined in Revelation 20 (start, middle or finish). The detail occurring at the end of Revelation 20 only compares with the many passages relating to Christ’s one final future all-consummating Second Advent – there we see the destruction of every enemy of Christ and righteousness.

A helpful pointer that should aid the open-minded reader dissect the book of Zechariah is the phrase “in that day.” It connects the whole book together. It is mentioned 20 times in this Old Testament prophecy. It is extremely notable that reference after reference to “in that day” actually refers to the 1st Advent. Zechariah 14 also describes AD 70 and the spread of the Gospel to the darkened nations.

AD 70 is referenced in Zechariah 13 and 14 but generally it is a symbolic looking at Christ's ministry. There are a mixture of events relating to the life and ministry of Christ, Jerusalem's judgment (AD 70), the going out of the Gospel to the Gentiles. Notwithstanding, these are all tied together in Christ – and cannot be divorced one from another. Jerusalem was destroyed because of their rejection of Christ. The Gentiles came against the city, but the Gospel in turn went out among the Gentiles with great success.

Second, as you study the New Testament you see that the wicked are all destroyed when Jesus comes, this disallows the placing of this after the second coming. There will be no mortals or no sinners to populate the new earth, what is more, they are prohibited from inheriting it (Matthew 25:34 &25:46, 1 Corinthians 6:9, and 1 Corinthians 15:50).

Thirdly, the keeping of the Judaic sacrificial system has been eternally abolished (see Galatians 4:9-10, Colossians 2:14, 16, 20-22 ). Many of the place names in Jerusalem don't exist anymore. Localized worship in a brick temple in Jerusalem has gone forever. We now worship God in spirit and in truth John 4:21).

Fourthly, while the prophet Zechariah uses Old Testament vernacular, he seems to be looking forward to a brighter and better day. He is anticipating the coming Messiah, a new order and a final sacrifice for sin. He is looking to a day where the nations will experience the favor of God.

 

[WPM]

For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion. And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch. It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ages: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ages and ages. But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness.” Isaiah 34:8-11

> "Brimstone" is from volcanic eruptions on the First Earth.

Where is a "millennial kingdom" mentioned here? You have to add into unto the biblical texts.

This is a climactic conflagration at the end of the world. This forbids your supposed ad-on age of Aquarius full of more of the same.

None of these passages you present make any allusion to the detail contained within Revelation 20. There is no description of a temporal thousand-year period, followed by a little season for Satan. There is no reference to the binding or unbinding of Satan. There is mention of the gathering of Gog and Magog to fight the camp of the saints, the destruction of the wicked in total, the destruction of the old earth and heavens and the replacement with the new, the resurrection of the wicked and Great White Throne Judgment of sinners 1,000 years after the judgment of the righteous.

Now it shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established on top of the mountains and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow to it. Many people shall come and say, 'Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, and we shall walk in His paths. For out of Zion shall come forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. He shall judge between the nations and rebuke many people; they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore." Isaiah 2:2-4)

> "Latter days"? Remember, the first heavens (that means the sun and moon and universe) are destroyed in a fervent heat - (2 Peter 3:10). So, no more nights, no more days.

Isaiah 2:1-6 and Zechariah 14:16-21 are talking about the last days, which end when Jesus comes.

Isaiah 2:2-4 says, speaking of the Lord’s first Advent, “And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."

Micah 4:1-3 parallels this teaching, saying, “in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it. And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.”

Is this spiritually speaking of the intra-Advent period or is it talking about some new age in-between this evil age and the age to come?

The correlation between Isaiah’s vision and that of Micah is undoubted and remarkable.

But what is these prophecies all about?

The whole thrust of these passages surrounds a new anticipated day when Messiah would come and usher in true peace. Of course, many trip up with passages like this with their literalist mind-set. They fail to see that peace with God is not some purely abstract earthly thing. It would be wrong to understand or interpret the prophetic words in both of these texts in a natural literal carnal sense. It is not referring to the cessation of physical violence. The termination of war or military conflict does not constitute true peace in God’s eyes.

 

[WPM]

Isaiah 11:6–9 "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. The cow and the bear shall graze; their young ones shall lie down together; and the Lion shall eat straw like the ox. The nursing child shall play by the cobra's hole and the weaned child shall out his hand in the viper's den. They shall not hurt nor destroy in My Holy mountain. For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea."

> Millennial Kingdom on the first earth, where there are still children being born, growing. The New Jerusalem will have only people with resurrected body - no more marriage, no more procreation.

> Millennial Kingdom on the first earth, where there are still children being born, growing. The New Jerusalem will have only people with resurrected body - no more marriage, no more procreation.

No more shall an infant from there live but a few days,
Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days;
For the child shall die one hundred years old,
But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed. Isaiah 65:20

>> Wait a minute here, didn't you say death would be destoyed and have irrefutable evidence? This is the first earth during the Millennial Kingdom.

I was watching in the night visions, and behold, One like the Son of Man, coming in the clouds of heaven ... Then to Him was given dominion glory and kingdom, that all people's, nations and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His kingdom, the one which will not be destroyed." Daniel 7:13-14

> Millennial Kingdom<

Now you go run along.

Where is a "millennial kingdom" mentioned here? You have to add into unto the biblical texts.

You impute a whole theology and age into a statement that has nothing to do with a future millennium. The NHNE arrives after the millennium, not at, as you allege.

Isaiah 11:6-9: “The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.”

Isaiah 65:25: “The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain.”

It symbolically depicts the peace that Christ has introduced through the new covenant and which will be literally realized in the new heavens and new earth. The one thing it does not speak of is some supposed sin-cursed, goat-infested, death-blighted future millennial kingdom.

One could potentially take a literal or a figurative interpretation from this verse; however, it seems likely that the passage is a metaphor indicating the peace that exists within the kingdom of God. It can equally describe the undisturbed nature of the eternal state. It is a fact that many eternal truths are described in a parabolic sense in order to impress the great mystery of eternity to our finite mind.

 

[WPM]

> Millennial Kingdom on the first earth, where there are still children being born, growing. The New Jerusalem will have only people with resurrected body - no more marriage, no more procreation.

No more shall an infant from there live but a few days,
Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days;
For the child shall die one hundred years old,
But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed. Isaiah 65:20

>> Wait a minute here, didn't you say death would be destoyed and have irrefutable evidence? This is the first earth during the Millennial Kingdom.

I was watching in the night visions, and behold, One like the Son of Man, coming in the clouds of heaven ... Then to Him was given dominion glory and kingdom, that all people's, nations and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His kingdom, the one which will not be destroyed." Daniel 7:13-14

> Millennial Kingdom<

Now you go run along.

Where is a "millennial kingdom" mentioned here? You have to add into unto the biblical texts.

Let us have a literal word-by-word look at the Hebrew pertaining to Isaiah 65:20.

לֹא־יִֽהְיֶ֨ה מִשָּׁ֜ם עֹ֗וד ע֤וּל יָמִים֙ וְזָקֵ֔ן אֲשֶׁ֥ר
Lo'- yihªyeh mishaam `owd `uwl yaamiym wªzaaqeen 'ªsher
Not be hence more an infant [of] days, an old man after

לֹֽא־יְמַלֵּ֖א אֶת־יָמָ֑יו כִּ֣י הַנַּ֗עַר בֶּן־מֵאָ֤ה שָׁנָה֙ יָמ֔וּת
Lo'- yªmalee''et- yaamaayw Kiy hana`ar ben- mee'aah shaanaah yaamuwt
Not fulfill your days inasmuch a child old an hundred years die

What is this telling us?

The exact same thing, only in different terms.

This is called synonymous parallelism. It is telling us that a child will never become old on the new earth. This line reinforces what has just been said. It confirms the thought of the impending reality of no more death in the eternal state for the righteous. In eternity there will be no more aging or dying. It is not going to be like our corrupt age where infants eventually get old. It will not be like the here-and-now where a man could live to be an old person of a hundred years of age and then die.

This passage is actually saying the opposite to what many think. What this is saying is: there will be no more aging, curse or death on the new earth. Every glorified saints will have come to full maturity in Christ with their new perfect eternal bodies. It is the next line of Isaiah 65:20 that has confused many, because the translators have not interpreted it in a literal word-for-word sense. It is not saying there will be more babies, death and old men. It is saying the opposite to what they are alleging. It is saying that there will be no more aging: children getting old, old people and people dying! It is describing eternity to an Old Testament audience in terms they can grasp.

The new heavens and new earth will indeed be a glorious victorious perfect state where death is unknown. God is saying that the eternal state will actually be free of death for young and old alike. This passage is telling us that there will be no more death on the new earth! The Hebrew word Lo' (Strong’s 3808) means “no” or “not.” The word is a simple negation. The word is found twice in this much-debated new heavens and new earth verse.

Debate in Isaiah 65:20 centers in on the use of the original word yaamuw meaning “die” or “death.” What should we relate it to? Is there indeed “death” on the new earth? Also, should the death be related to the “child” in the second phrase or the “sinner” in the third phrase? What is more, in what way should it read? I must admit, if we are to read it in its most natural way it fits perfectly with the context. So why change it? I believe it should be applied to the “child” as it should agree with the first phrase that is simply a reinforcement of the same truth. It then fits perfectly with the whole overall teaching of the prophet on the perfection and bliss of the eternal state.

No (Lo') longer will an infant become like an old man,
No (Lo') longer will a child reach one hundred and die.

This is Old Testament verbiage that describes eternity to the Old Testament listener. It is telling us: no one is going to age! This relates to the new heaven and new earth not some supposed future millennium – that will never happen.

The original Hebrew does not give us any reason to attribute death to the “child” in this second line. In fact, it does not fit the whole context which is evidently speaking of the removal of aging and death on the new earth. Interpreting it as we have, seems to (1) match the original, (2) make sense to its context, and (3) taps into the thrust of what the prophet was trying to relay. We need to remind ourselves that the whole idea here is describing the incredible eternal deliverance from the curse of corruption and the joy that “the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind” on the “new earth.”

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Of course, many trip up with passages like this with their literalist mind-set

Your problem is with your hermeneutics!
You insert symbolism where it isn't called for. Literally, when something doesn't fit thr Amillennialists view, your mind switches to automatic symbolic mode.

God is talking down to us, making it clear and simple and you do not want to except it.

They fail to see that peace with God is not some purely abstract earthly thing.

"On earth as it is in heaven". Does that phrase sound familiar? Are we to apply your symbolic mumbo jumbo to that?
Peace on earth, a Paradise reborn with the Lord walking through the gardens with us is how it once was.
This peace on earth ( the first earth) is what mankind has been yearning for.
Your denial of the Millennial Kingdom voids God's covenants with Israel. He has not forsaken them. I suppose you are likely anti-Semitic as well.

It would be wrong to understand or interpret the prophetic words in both of these texts in a natural literal carnal sense

Oh, so when we take scriptures literally, it's carnal? There it is folks, Premillennials are carnal. We literally believe Jesus will reign on earth snd that is carnal thinking?. Btw, this is what the all Israelites expected when the Messiah came, that He would be King on earth and destroy all His enemies, sit on David's throne and rule - up close a d personal. This is the Davidic Covenant.
The Palestinian Covenant, also called the Land Covenant (Deuteronomy 30:1-10)
Abraham did go to the Promised Land, he did have many descendants, and he is the father of many nations. Joshua led the Israelites to claim ownership of the promised Land.
>>>BUT specific boundaries were never possessed by Israel, not even under King Solomon. (see Numbers 34:1-12.)
So, it has not yet been fulfilled.

The termination of war or military conflict does not constitute true peace in God’s eyes.

You do not know what God sees. He told you what He envisions and you reject it.
I could guess what He sees when Jesus looks down on you and shakes His head. "WPM doesn't believe I will physically come back in the clouds as I left, stand on earth, defeat my enemies, build a Temple in Jerusalem and be worshipped by all nations of the earth, for a thousand years as My Words have professed; he doesn't believe all the nations with their countless languages will visit Jerusalem yearly (as the earth revolves around the sun), worship and sup with Me. He doesn't believe I will literally lock up Satan and His horde for 1000 years."

It symbolically depicts the peace that Christ has introduced through the new covenant and which will be literally realized in the new heavens and new earth

Oh, so we are to perceive something symbolically that later becomes literal?
Sorry, I take most scripture literally. "When the plain literal sense makes good sense, I seek no other sense." Symbolism is usually explained literally in scripture. God did not intend for us to interpret His prophecies like we look a Picasso painting.
A basic principle in biblical interpretation is to understand words and sentences in their literal sense, unless figures of speech or idiomatic expressions are used. Plain simple literal communication to us simple humans describing reality is what God intended.
Obviously a Dragon with seven heads and ten horns is symbolic, but it is explained in scripture. The Parables are symbolic and then Jesus explains them.

it seems likely that the passage is a metaphor indicating the peace that exists within the kingdom of God.

There you go, off on a tangent ... "It must be a metaphor ..." Where is the language comparing two unrelated things to mean something else?

This is called synonymous parallelism. It is telling us that a child will never become old on the new earth.

More symbolic mumbo jumbo to distort the true meaning, that death will exist during that time period that decribes extended lifetimes that man once had to 1000 years old. Therefore 100 year old person would be in the childhood stage of physical growth.

This passage is actually saying the opposite to what many think.

Oh, God's prophecy to us is intended to mean the opposite what He says ... yeah, sure

. In fact, it does not fit the whole context which is evidently speaking of the removal of aging and death on the new earth

You are all screwed up, twisting and distorting things.

This is Old Testament verbiage that describes eternity to the Old Testament listener. It is telling us: no one is going to age!

In eternity, no one will age.
Let's look at this plainly.
Isaiah 65:20
“No more shall an infant from there live but a few days, >that is not symbolism<

Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days; > old man? I thought you said people would not age in eternity???<

For the child shall die one hundred years old, > death exists in this time period ... it is plainly communicated, why would you suspect it is symbolic?<

But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed. >accursed, means sin still is present, not so in eternity<

Where is the Millennial Kingdom?

Revelation 20:1-6​

Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.​

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.​

So what do we see, literal beings and events or symbolism?
1. "An angel coming down from heaven".
Literal
2. Bottomless Pit
Literal
3. Satan
Literal
4. a thousand years
Literal. WHY WOULD THINK THIS TO BE SYMBOLIC WHEN EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE TEXT IS LITERALLY REAL?
5. Thrones
Literal
6. Judgment
Literal
7. Beheaded souls
Literal. THIS IS THE MO OF ISLAMIC TERRORISTS - IT IS HAPPENING AS WE SPEAK.
8. Beast and his image
OKAY, we see symbolism here. But it is explained in scripture.
9. First Resurrection
Literal. Here it identifies OUR First Resurrection that YOU think is referring to Christ's. Vs. 6 reiterates "he who takes part in the first resurrection" means all Christians who are present at His return.
Again not a reference to Christ.
10. Priests of God and Christ for 1000 years
 Literal. WHY WOULD THINK THIS SYMBOLIC WHEN EVERYTHING IN THE TEXT IS LITERALLY REAL. The Beast is a real threat to mankind.
THERE ARE NO FIGURES OF SPEECH HERE, NO IDIOMATIC EXPRESSIONS.

Then You completely ignor Rev. 20:7-15, which happens after the 1000 years and explains what happens before the NEW Jerusalem replaces the first heavens and first earth, The Great White Throne Judgment, the Second Death, Lake of Fire event when death and Hades and all it's inhabitants are destroyed.