Irrefutable biblical proof that death is abolished at the second coming
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Can I remind you: this is a Bible discussion where we share our beliefs and/or differences?
Johann
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God chose us in love (Ephesians 1:4), that we should be “rooted and grounded in love” (Ephesians 3:17), “bearing with one another in love” (Ephesians 4:2), “speaking the truth in love” (Ephesians 4:15), "building up the body of Christ in love" (Ephesians 4:16) and "walking in love" (Ephesians 5:2)
1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
I don't see any fruit in a discussion that is divisive.
J.
End-times can be divisive, agreed. People have different views. That does mean they do not have love one for another.
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Ronald David Bruno
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For those who care to do a more thorough study of Millennial Kingdom:
bible.org
15. The Second Coming of Christ and the Millennial Kingdom | Bible.org
The Second Coming of Christ in the Old Testament The Second Coming of Christ is a major doctrine of both the Old and New Testaments, and all orthodox creeds include the fact of His second coming as a part of essential doctrine. The Psalms, though mostly devotional, contain a number of...
Where does Revelation 20 teach this?
- Where in Revelation 20 does it teach that “the Mk starts with ALL Christians, a Christian world?
- Where in Revelation 20 does it teach that “this is the Utopia mankind has always yearned for. Paradise reborn and living with the LORD, walking with Him as Adam and Eve did before they sinned”?
- Where in Revelation 20 does it teach that “it is this remnant of Israel and all other nations after the resurrection, who realize that Jesus is their Lord and Savior. They repopulate the earth, bring up their children, who must receive the truth. And they do, since it is a wonderful, loving environment”?
- Where in Revelation 20 does it teach that “Satan is locked up, so temptation for these folks are minimal - because they still have this fallen nature as we have now, the flesh”?
You should honestly read your proof-texts before coming out with statements like this. You promote the full restoration of the old covenant sacrifices:
- Do you believe “meat offering” will be restored in your millennium (Ezekiel 42:13, 44:29, 45:15, 17, 24, 25, 46:5, 7, 11, 14, 15, 20)?
- Do you believe “sin offering” will be restored in your millennium (– Ezekiel 40:39, 42:13, 19, 21, 22, 25, 44:27, 29, 45:17, 19, 22, 23, 25, 46:20)?
- Do you believe “trespass offering” will be restored in your millennium ( Ezekiel 40:39, 42:13, 44:29, 46:20)?
- Do you believe “burnt offerings” will be restored in your millennium (Ezekiel 40:38, 39, 42, 43:18, 24, 27, 44:11, 45:15, 17, 23, 25, 46:2, 4, 12, 13, 15)?
- Do you believe “peace offerings” will be restored in your millennium (Ezekiel 43:27, 45:15, 17, 46:2, 12)?
- Do you believe “drink offerings” will be restored in your millennium (Ezekiel 45:17)?
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Ronald David Bruno
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That was a good point to bring up, although I do see lots of activity centered around Jerusalem in the end time scenario; it is not all about the past fate of the Jews - especially it was written around 95 AD.
What clicked for me when I read your post, is that these Amils likely are anti-semites, adherents of Replacement Theology and therefore incorrectly assign Revelation to Jewish history, irrelevant to them and they want no part of it, only chapter 21 -22 interest them. I would guess they don't receive the full blessing that we do when we read Revelation?
You have a lot of tolerance to put up with the poor posting on this thread!For those who care to do a more thorough study of Millennial Kingdom:
15. The Second Coming of Christ and the Millennial Kingdom | Bible.org
The Second Coming of Christ in the Old Testament The Second Coming of Christ is a major doctrine of both the Old and New Testaments, and all orthodox creeds include the fact of His second coming as a part of essential doctrine. The Psalms, though mostly devotional, contain a number of...
Much love!
Ronald David Bruno
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A small disagreement here brother. We are showing patience, self control and peace (so far), gentleness ( at times), kindness, generosity (offering our time and knowledge). We are not doing too bad! Lol ... and now that I can laugh, some joy too. Fruit all over the place.
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There is a lot of sidestepping of the biblical evidence. What is clear here is: no Premillenialist seems to have any answers to the Op. That is because the Scriptures presented speak for themselves. They forbid Premil.
Ronald David Bruno
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Ronald David Bruno
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Where does Revelation 20 teach this?
- Where in Revelation 20 does it teach that “the Mk starts with ALL Christians, a Christian world?
- Where in Revelation 20 does it teach that “this is the Utopia mankind has always yearned for. Paradise reborn and living with the LORD, walking with Him as Adam and Eve did before they sinned”?
- Where in Revelation 20 does it teach that “it is this remnant of Israel and all other nations after the resurrection, who realize that Jesus is their Lord and Savior. They repopulate the earth, bring up their children, who must receive the truth. And they do, since it is a wonderful, loving environment”?
- Where in Revelation 20 does it teach that “Satan is locked up, so temptation for these folks are minimal - because they still have this fallen nature as we have now, the flesh”?
You should honestly read your proof-texts before coming out with statements like this. You promote the full restoration of the old covenant sacrifices:
- Do you believe “meat offering” will be restored in your millennium (Ezekiel 42:13, 44:29, 45:15, 17, 24, 25, 46:5, 7, 11, 14, 15, 20)?
- Do you believe “sin offering” will be restored in your millennium (– Ezekiel 40:39, 42:13, 19, 21, 22, 25, 44:27, 29, 45:17, 19, 22, 23, 25, 46:20)?
- Do you believe “trespass offering” will be restored in your millennium ( Ezekiel 40:39, 42:13, 44:29, 46:20)?
- Do you believe “burnt offerings” will be restored in your millennium (Ezekiel 40:38, 39, 42, 43:18, 24, 27, 44:11, 45:15, 17, 23, 25, 46:2, 4, 12, 13, 15)?
- Do you believe “peace offerings” will be restored in your millennium (Ezekiel 43:27, 45:15, 17, 46:2, 12)?
- Do you believe “drink offerings” will be restored in your millennium (Ezekiel 45:17)?
Ronald David Bruno
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Like in any good book with 22 chapters, one doesn't disregard, skip or symbolically distort chapters 6 - 19, arrive at 20 and knows what the heck is going on.
Revelation is the unveiling of Christ, the climax and consummation of history that began in the Garden of Eden or did you skip or distort that too?
God's remnant is the elect, a lesser amount left over from the whole. Having used the rest of the lump for a purpose, it about time to get rid of it.
Israel was God's chosen nation.
Elijah thought Israel because of their sins, had totally departed from God, yet in 1 Kings 19:18, God left a remnant of 7,000. That reality is reiterated in Isaiah 1:9.
When Christ came, an elect was chosen out of Israel, branches were cut off so that the Gentiles could be grafted in (Romans 11).
And so when Christ returns, a remnant (1/3 of the planet) will be His and the rest destroyed.)
GOD'S remnant is a reaccuring theme.
Other scriptures:
2 Kings 19: 31
Jeremiah 23: 3- 4
Ezekiel 6: 8
Romans 9:27
The concept of one third being saved is seen in Zech. 13:8-9
And it shall come to pass in all the land,”
Says the Lord,
“That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die,
But one-third shall be left in it:
9 I will bring the one-third through the fire,
Will refine them as silver is refined,
And test them as gold is tested.
They will call on My name,
And I will answer them.
I will say, ‘This is My people’;
And each one will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’ ”
This prophecy concerns not only Israel, but the entire planet, will soon be fulfilled.
Currently, approximately 1/3 of the population (8 billion) are Christians.
Satan has tempted mankind since the Garden - have you read the story? He's finally locked up close to the end of the story for 1000 years, then released. It's put in pretty plain language, literally. One can then surmise that with Satan locked up and the knowledge of the Lord saturated throughout the land, sin is drastically reduced to a minimum. This would require some discernment though.
So to sum up these future Temple activities ( with the exception of the literal presence of Jesus): They are all symbolic activities to remember what the Lord has done for us in the same way that we now participate in Communion, symbolically remembering what he did on the cross.
Wow, you certainly are mixed up with what to take literally and what to take symbolically.
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So, basically, you have absolutely no support in Revelation or anywhere else for your speculations. All I am getting is your opinions - private interpretation. That is not evidence. That is not acceptable. It is clear that you impose your opinions on the text and expect the rest of us to accept that. That is not the way it works.
- You claim Revelation is chronological yet in doing so you ignore the definite recaps.
- You cannot even show us your rapture in Revelation.
- All flesh is destroyed in Revelation 19. There is no one left to populate your future millennium. That is because Revelation 20 takes us back to the first resurrection when Christ defeated sin, death, Hades and Satan.
- It is only then that the saints were released from Hades to reign with Christ on high.
- You reject the continual use of "a thousand" to represent a large amount or a long indeterminate time.
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So, they are literally doing these "activities" but you are arguing they carry a symbolic meaning? Are they literally slitting the throats of these innocent animals?
Are these literal sin offerings, as they are described? Yes or no?
Where does it teach that "these future Temple activities ... are all symbolic activities to remember what the Lord has done for us in the same way that we now participate in communion"? We see the clear NT teaching for communion being such. Where is your Scripture that teaches what you are claiming here?
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