This post is for all JWS here @Keiw @TheHC @ElieG12 @Aunty Jane
Aunty Jane,
That is very mistaken. A believer is born again on earth. Do not marvel at this! Allow me to provide the verses that will show you ~~ Take your time and go over them.
John 1:12-13-But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
1 Peter 1:3 -Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1 Peter 1:23 for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.
1 John 4:7- Beloved, let’s love one another; for love is from God, and everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.
Titus 3:5- He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
1 John 5:18- We know that no one who has been born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
John 3:4-8, 10-12 Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?” 5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6“That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7“Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8“The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
“Are you the teacher of Israel and do not understand these things? 11“Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of what we have seen, and you do not accept our testimony. 12“If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?
1 Cor 2:14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
2 Cor 5:17- Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.
Eph 2:4-5- But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
Romans 6:3-4 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.
Col 2:13 When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,
1 Cor 6:11 -Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
Ro 8:15-16- For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons and daughters by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,
There are many more. There is no such thing as a Christian who isn't born again. The title, Born Again Christian is redundant. It's not a special thing just for the 144K as you have been taught. It is essential to being a new creation- otherwise we are simply just carnal flesh. We can not please God in our flesh. It is by His spirit that He saves us. It is the only way.
I know that JWs don't do this but it is what is needed by all--
Step one-- is to truly accept the forgiveness of your sins that only Jesus provides by paying for your personal sins at Calvary.
There is no other way. There is no such thing as paying your own sin debt off by dying physically. That is not forgiveness- it is not a debt that you can pay to become sinless. Death of sinners is getting what is deserved.- the pay that you receive.
ONLY Jesus' sinless death atones for all of our sins but you must believe that.
The gift is not like that- no one deserves this gift- it is undeserved kindness aka grace.
It is given, but you must humble yourself enough to accept God's gift. That is believing God.
I know it is hard after what you have been taught!! But this is THE TRUTH. Test it with scripture and see.
Luke 11:13--“If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?”
If you would like a very long list of scriptures that teach that Jesus' death paid for your personal sins I am happy to provide it for you. Just say the word.
**Original post by Aunt Jane was from here-
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Aunty Jane,
That is very mistaken. A believer is born again on earth. Do not marvel at this! Allow me to provide the verses that will show you ~~ Take your time and go over them.
1 John 5:1- Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him.
John 1:12-13-But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
1 Peter 1:3 -Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1 Peter 1:23 for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.
1 John 4:7- Beloved, let’s love one another; for love is from God, and everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.
Titus 3:5- He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
1 John 5:18- We know that no one who has been born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
John 3:4-8, 10-12 Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?” 5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6“That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7“Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8“The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
“Are you the teacher of Israel and do not understand these things? 11“Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of what we have seen, and you do not accept our testimony. 12“If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?
1 Cor 2:14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
2 Cor 5:17- Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.
Eph 2:4-5- But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
Romans 6:3-4 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.
Col 2:13 When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,
1 Cor 6:11 -Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
Ro 8:15-16- For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons and daughters by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,
There are many more. There is no such thing as a Christian who isn't born again. The title, Born Again Christian is redundant. It's not a special thing just for the 144K as you have been taught. It is essential to being a new creation- otherwise we are simply just carnal flesh. We can not please God in our flesh. It is by His spirit that He saves us. It is the only way.
I know that JWs don't do this but it is what is needed by all--
Step one-- is to truly accept the forgiveness of your sins that only Jesus provides by paying for your personal sins at Calvary.
There is no other way. There is no such thing as paying your own sin debt off by dying physically. That is not forgiveness- it is not a debt that you can pay to become sinless. Death of sinners is getting what is deserved.- the pay that you receive.
ONLY Jesus' sinless death atones for all of our sins but you must believe that.
The gift is not like that- no one deserves this gift- it is undeserved kindness aka grace.
It is given, but you must humble yourself enough to accept God's gift. That is believing God.
I know it is hard after what you have been taught!! But this is THE TRUTH. Test it with scripture and see.
Luke 11:13--“If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?”
If you would like a very long list of scriptures that teach that Jesus' death paid for your personal sins I am happy to provide it for you. Just say the word.
**Original post by Aunt Jane was from here-
Will you go to heaven when you die? - (or the other place)
I look forward to a GRAND reunion with them. Your religion........that is based on your Gospel of Universalism.......denies that you have to be born again on earth.... as It omits this.. completely. You might be interested to know that Aunte Jane's JW cult, also omits being born again, on...
www.christianityboard.com
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