Is Israel really biblical Israel or is it a devil's creation?

[CNKW3]

No, Jesus is not on David's throne, and Acts 2:30 does not mean what you think it does.

Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him [David], that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne [IN THE FUTURE]... Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted [AT PRESENT], and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear... (Acts 2:30,33)

This must be placed alongside Hebrews 1:1-3:
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high...[AND IS NOW SEATED]

But for the first martyr Stephen, Christ actually stood up to receive him:
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. (Acts 7:55,56)

And in fact, Christ will only sit on David's throne metaphorically. While David's throne belongs to Him by right, He will hand it over to David, while Christ remains King over David, and also King of kings and Lord of lords over the earth and the universe:
EZEKIEL 37
...21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one King [CHRIST] shall be King to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwelling places, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one Shepherd [CHRIST]: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people...

I like how you can say that Acts 2 does not mean what you think it means but then you can turn around and post Ezekiel as if it teaches your doctrine. I guess we should just all quit studying and let you tell us what YOU think it means.
Acts 2 is clear. Christ is on the throne now.

You are using trickery with the text.
When the prophecy came to David about his throne it was in the future. Peter then turns back to speaking about the present to explain that NOW, at the present, is this prophecy fulfilled. So, in Acts 2 was the time Christ would sit on David’s throne. When he ascended.
Also..
I can’t believe you would base an argument over whether Jesus is standing or sitting at the right hand of God. The emphasis is placement. Where is Jesus now? At the right hand of God, ruling and reigning whether he is on his feet or not.

 

[CNKW3]

All of it that you said was Not true and not biblical. It's just the tiresome replacement theology. Too bad so many who claim to be Christians are mislead and think themselves capable of judging Jews and the nation of Israel -- it's deception.

So the nation of Israel today has their jewish tribal records? That is a new one on me and everyone else too.
And...so how many jews can prove to me through those records that they are from the tribe of Judah?
Some people just won’t give up. People would rather go to hell not having to admit they are wrong then humble themselves in order to go to heaven.

 

[CNKW3]

I suggest spend less time scouring the Jews for faults , stay away from the all the anti-semitic 'christian' sites and study the bible .

Again...here it goes with the labeling and name calling. I just stated facts and you are labeling me as “anti-Semitic”. I have nothing against the nation of Israel except to say they are lost and need Christ. They can’t prove any of their heritage today and they practice a made up religion. But all in all I’m sure they are very nice people.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Now we are looking at the evil Jews, who have been around for a while. There are two groups:

THE CONSPIRATORS: Such as the Rothschilds and their ilk (including George Soros), who are a handful of multi-billionaires manipulating world events , politicians, wars, economies, etc. They are motivated and controlled by Satan.

THE COLLABORATORS: There were several high-ranking Nazis of Jewish ancestry. And Marx, Trotsky etc. who worked with Communists against their own people. There would have been no Communism without atheistic Karl Marx.

But no fair-minded person will paint all Jews as evil (which is what Hitler did and therefore needed a Final Solution).

No one could be so stupid to class all Jews as evil, and I don't think that the Germans under the Nazis truly did see such was the case, but all of Europe did not like the Jews or one could say that they did not embrace them or look up to them as people to trust as they were merchants wheelers and dealers, bankers and such who prayed on all others. the English hated the Jews just as much as any in Europe and in the east Russia etc hated them as well, no people were despised more than the Jews and Islam was always totally hated.

It's only from about 1990 on that the Jews have been looked up to or even idolised, because of all the brainwashing tec on TV and Media and Hollywood and schools peddling such.

I can remember back in 1980's their was no one person who looked up to the Jews in any Church or other that I never came across, Christian or Atheist who idolised them as most do now.
Sure they were known to be the best doctors Lawyers and made the top quality things and my Dad would say such but he despised their ways of ripping people off as this was the main point that all people truly really hated that about them, make no mistake that was the key to despising them.
Sadly nowadays our younger generation are mainly just greed driven vampires just as the Jews were. it's all about doing wrong to others nowadays, they have no true moral values anymore as it's all about greed and fantasy feeding their ego.

I seen this type of degenerate display when dealing with people in my trade, it kicked off more so from around 1990's and by 2010 half of the people I dealt with were like a Jackal that you could not trust at all, they are just like a Vampire who would jump at the chance to get out of paying you for the job and totally rude self centred and ignorant beyond belief. in 2008 I went from one job to the next and it went from one who was totally happy with my work over joyed with it all, to the next that was just a nightmare the worst type of person you could come across and this was the case, horror, good, horror, good all year. they were not human they were monsters determined to do you wrong. I had to stop work and say good riddance to some. I am not putting up with that type of attitude on some of them, I am a good judge of character and in the industry from 1971 so when I say enough is enough I mean it. I seen my dad get ripped off time after time by all the swindlers, so no thanks ! I still got bitten but no where as much as my Dad was, as he coped it because he believed in a mans word and when you shook hands that was as good as gold. but their were always swindlers around but only nowadays it's common place regardless were you turn. I had a brand new car 23 KM on the clock and I went to get lowered springs on it and this clown claimed a point was warn out, I said come and look at the mileage and he pointed out that their are 3 of us to you hear, he was lucky I was a Christian and that I deal with degenerate swindlers day in day out.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I know cars well and people like such who try and play people all the time especially with a woman, why do we have to put up with all the rouges that are free to try and swindle others like they do and get away with it all for years.

When we look at the Germans under Nazi Socialist rule, we can see the majority were mislead and most did not know anything about the killing of the Jews, that was a secret ! Churchill knew about this and did nothing and the RCC knew and only did something near the end of the War and there was many things that the people were not tolled the truth about and only found out after the war. not to mention not all that is totally true.

So we have a generation who think that all of the Germans knew all about the Jewish plot and supported such, fact is it was not the case at all.
In Germany their were people with their roots in Jewish history gong back 2000 years and such people were full fledged German as the next German not to mention devout Christians, but for some ? not to mention that Germany was the one who took the majority of Jews that were kicked out of Russia, who were seen as trash Jews at the time and the Germans hated them because they were a pain and a filthy degenerate mob of bastards, if it were not for this mob the hatred would of not come to the flash point that it did. it was this that inflamed the hatred, without this mob their would never of been such a cause of the hatred of them, so his was all a creation by the powers that were before Hitler's mobs little game play.

Look at what we have been forced to deal with as to the Islamic invasion nowadays, their is just to many of them coming and their is nothing wrong with good ones coming in but the Governments are hell bent on bringing in the dregs, not to mention that the bad ones are not pointed out and sent home, sadly the governments handling of such is pathetic not to mention totally rude in disregarding their own citizens as 2ed class in their own Nation. I have seen the list of wrong doing of such people that would send a Australian citizen to Jail but it's not the case with some radical Islamic rat bags, how the hell is that ! no the Australian people are not informed by the media in fact, I have talked to people who have had to flee their Islamic home land and they want to be on TV to expose the radical Islamic mob to the world, but they have been shoved out of the way and our media will not let them have a voice. now why the hell not ! oh our media do not truly believe in freedom of speech ! so the warning of such people goes under the radar and the majority are not informed, such was the case with the Jews in Germany as well before the war.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

They only heard one side of the position on the Jews, the Zionist side and to hell with the rest of the Jews.
Only the Zionist were free to speak in Nazi Germany but the majority of German Jews hated the Zionist, so hey were killed by the so called Zionist ! who were claiming to be Jewish, but they were only truly controlled by the Talmud Whore, who were in bed with the Nazis 100% if one bothers to look into it all.
The creation of the so called State of Israel is the work of Satan ! it's a monster ! just as Jesus Christ said of them Talmud Whores that they were of their Father of Lies and murders from the beginning, remember they tried to kill Holy Moses in fact and then such were the tempters behind the putting Jesus on the Cross. by their works you shall know them ! oh they deceive many a worldly man for sure.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I wonder why so many pastors are deceived about it. I read that the flag that Israel is flying is the satanic star and not the star of David. That tells a lot about who is behind it.

All the Pastors that I knew were not deceived about it, but come 2000 on this gibberish came on stronger and stronger.

I do not know why it is that Christians nowadays reject the Bible on account of what St Stephen informed them of the Jewish Star and he is totally correct in points it out for it's history for all to see, now St Stephen was full of the Holy Spirit the Bible points out not to mention that he points out the Jewish History perfectly for anyone who could be bothered to look, now he was trying to get the Jews on track and to come to the real God of Israel, but they killed him. as they always had did, remember the Vineyard story and all of the Prophets of God that were killed, by this mob of Whores.

When anyone who looks to the Jews for salvation you know that they do not know who Jesus Christ truly is in fact, for if they knew, they would not be looking to mans works of the Jews. Jesus Christ has come he is here now and there is only one Jesus Christ, but one truly needs the Holy Spirit to understand this. because if they don't understand they are lost as to him and looking for another.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Most of those in the political State of Israel today draw their roots not from the sands of the Middle East, but from around the Black Sea of Southern Russia. Their temples of worship were phalanx symbols before they were converted to Judaism around 700-800 AD. The new resurrected Khazaria is the new state of Israel today. Definitely a diabolic plot waged to bring especially true Christianity to it knees. And there are many of these connected false Jews running the media and money making machines of the Central Banks all around the world.

They have had their their bloody hands around the throats of men that run war departments or ministries and their killing machines, economies, media -Hollywood, newspapers, radio, books of literature and reference material, even some modern Bible translations, and even many foods supplies...do the research.

Find me one movie produced out of Hollywood or anywhere in the world, that is not a B or lower rated movie, that has not at least one of these Jews as its producer or co-producer or executive producer. When I view a movie these days I automatically review the credits and look for them, to try and prove myself wrong - and I cannot do it. And by their last name you can see them in print running down the TV screen. It is no co-incidence.

Blessings,

APAK

I agree that what you have said his a fact.

I was reading an old mag from 1987 where many movie stars were saying what a Satanic place that Hollywood was and the producers etc were always trying to pressure them to have sex with them and the drugs dope and Cocaine were everywhere for people to just help themselves freely to it and that it was the most selfish people and nasty dog eat dog, not a true friend could be found in such ego driven place.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Most of those in the political State of Israel today draw their roots not from the sands of the Middle East, but from around the Black Sea of Southern Russia. Their temples of worship were phalanx symbols before they were converted to Judaism around 700-800 AD. The new resurrected Khazaria is the new state of Israel today. Definitely a diabolic plot waged to bring especially true Christianity to it knees. And there are many of these connected false Jews running the media and money making machines of the Central Banks all around the world.

They have had their their bloody hands around the throats of men that run war departments or ministries and their killing machines, economies, media -Hollywood, newspapers, radio, books of literature and reference material, even some modern Bible translations, and even many foods supplies...do the research.

Find me one movie produced out of Hollywood or anywhere in the world, that is not a B or lower rated movie, that has not at least one of these Jews as its producer or co-producer or executive producer. When I view a movie these days I automatically review the credits and look for them, to try and prove myself wrong - and I cannot do it. And by their last name you can see them in print running down the TV screen. It is no co-incidence.

Blessings,

APAK

They do have their bloody hands on a lot of things - I read that they were behind the World Wars. It's unconscionable because my uncle was capture in the war with Germany and tortured, and others came back damaged. I read as you did that they own the news stations - even Fox. So I don't watch any of the propaganda networks. They have their hands in public education too - which is unconscionable. And you're right - they own Hollywood.

Do you see another World War on the horizon?

 

[Soverign Grace]

That type of diatribe & hateful labeling and putting Jews in freaking categories is anti-semitic and disgusting. This whole thread is just anti-semitic inspired falsehoods. Its very sad when christians promote anti-jewish attitudes which are increasing in the world btw. Christians should not be promoting these attitudes. There has never been palestine culture , or language. Israel is in the land of Israel and the nation at present does not even claim all the lands designated by God in the Bible.

Everything along with the temple was destroyed in AD 70. There are no records. There is not one “Jew” today that can show what tribe he is from. There is no history that these people can fall back on. Therefore there can be no priesthood, etc. They practice a made up religion today. It was not handed down by God.

I knew about the destruction but didn't know that all records were destroyed. So you believe that the nation of Israel is a deliberate false creation of someone? I read that it's a creation of Rothschilds. I found it confusing because so many pastors teach otherwise.

 

[Soverign Grace]

As much as you wish yourself to be correct, you are mistaken since you are in contradiction to the prophecies that the Bible holds for Israel and THEY shall be fulfilled as it is written and God will be glorified. The Lord Jesus millennial kingdom will reign from Jerusalem on the throne of David. God promised Jesus He will make His enemies a footstool, and that Jesus’ followers will worship Him freely (Psalm 100) Jeremiah 23 : 5-6
5“Behold, the days are coming,” declares the LORD,
“When I will raise up for David a righteous Branch;
And He will reign as king and act wisely
And do justice and righteousness in the land.

6“In His days Judah will be saved,
And Israel will dwell securely;
And this is His name by which He will be called,
‘The LORD our righteousness.’

What is the curse of Jeconiah?
Question: "What is the curse of Jeconiah?"

Answer: Jeconiah, also called “Jehoiachin” (1 Chronicles 3:16, NIV) and “Coniah” (Jeremiah 22:24), was a king of Judah who was deported as part of the Babylonian captivity (Esther 2:6; 1 Chronicles 3:17). He is also listed in the genealogy of Jesus, in Joseph’s family line (Matthew 1:12).

The curse of Jeconiah is found in Jeremiah 22. First, the LORD likens the king to a signet ring on God’s hand—a ring that God will pull off (verse 24). Then, God pronounces a curse: “Record this man as if childless, a man who will not prosper in his lifetime, for none of his offspring will prosper, none will sit on the throne of David or rule anymore in Judah” (verse 30).

The problem is that the curse of Jeconiah seems to invalidate Jesus’ right to the throne of David. The Davidic Covenant promised that the Messiah, the “Son of David,” would reign forever on Jerusalem’s throne (1 Chronicles 17:11-14). If Jesus is a descendant of Jeconiah, then how can He be the Messiah, since the curse bars any of Jeconiah’s descendants from assuming David’s throne?

There are three possible solutions to this difficulty. First, the “offspring” of Jeconiah mentioned in the curse could be a limited reference to the king’s own children—his immediate offspring, in other words. On a related note, the phrase “in his lifetime” could apply to the entire verse. The curse would only be in force while the king lived. This is exactly what happened, as Jeconiah was not successful as a king (he only reigned for three months before he surrendered to Nebuchadnezzar’s forces), and none of his sons (he had seven of them, 1 Chronicles 3:17–18) reigned over Judah.

A second solution concerns the virgin birth. Jesus only had one human parent, Mary. His mother was of David’s line, but not through Jeconiah (Luke 3:31). Joseph was Jesus’ legal father, but not His physical one. Thus, Jesus was of royal blood through Mary, but the curse of Jeconiah stopped with Joseph and was not passed on to Jesus.

A third possible solution is that God reversed the curse on Jeconiah’s family. This is hinted at by the prophet Haggai, who told Zerubbabel, Jeconiah’s grandson, that God would make him a “signet ring” on God’s hand (Haggai 2:23). Zerubbabel was blessed by God as the governor of Judea, and he prospered in that role when the Jewish exiles returned to Jerusalem. The “signet ring” imagery of Jeconiah’s curse is repeated in Zerubbabel’s blessing, which must be more than coincidence. Several rabbinic sources teach that Jeconiah repented in Babylon and that God forgave him and lifted the curse.

Recommended Resource: The Moody Handbook of Theology by Paul Enns

What do you make of this:

Star of David OR Star of Lucifer?
By Jim Searcy

Acts 7:42-43: Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness? Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

Amos 5:26-27 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves. Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the LORD, whose name is The God of hosts.

Star of David OR Star of Lucifer?

 

[Soverign Grace]

No, Jesus is not on David's throne, and Acts 2:30 does not mean what you think it does.

Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him [David], that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne [IN THE FUTURE]... Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted [AT PRESENT], and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear... (Acts 2:30,33)

This must be placed alongside Hebrews 1:1-3:
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high...[AND IS NOW SEATED]

But for the first martyr Stephen, Christ actually stood up to receive him:
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. (Acts 7:55,56)

And in fact, Christ will only sit on David's throne metaphorically. While David's throne belongs to Him by right, He will hand it over to David, while Christ remains King over David, and also King of kings and Lord of lords over the earth and the universe:
EZEKIEL 37
...21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one King [CHRIST] shall be King to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwelling places, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one Shepherd [CHRIST]: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people...

I'm unsure of this as I just stepped into the topic but why would the nation of Israel fly the evil one's flag?

Star of David OR Star of Lucifer?
By Jim Searcy

Acts 7:42-43: Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness? Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

Amos 5:26-27 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves. Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the LORD, whose name is The God of hosts.

Moloch, Chiun and Remphan are all names for the star god, Saturn, whose symbol is a six pointed star formed by two triangles. Saturn was the supreme god of the Chaldeans.

The hexagram was brought to the Jewish people by Solomon when he turned to witchcraft and idolatry after his marriage to Pharaoh's daughter in 922B.C. It became known as the Seal of Solomon in Egyptian magic and witchcraft. David had absolutely nothing to do with the hexagram and that star most certainly did not, in any way, represent God's people. Solomon gave himself up to satanic worship and built altars to Ashtoreth and Moloch (Saturn).

Star of David OR Star of Lucifer?

 

[CNKW3]

I knew about the destruction but didn't know that all records were destroyed. So you believe that the nation of Israel is a deliberate false creation of someone? I read that it's a creation of Rothschilds. I found it confusing because so many pastors teach otherwise.

The nation of Israel today is not the same as the one God established long ago. They were destroyed and their history with it.

 

[CNKW3]

Actually it is NOT as plain as it can be, and you are indeed contradicting God, who gave Isaiah the words of his prophecies regarding Christ. We know that Scripture never contradicts itself, and sometimes there are things hard to be understood, therefore they must be properly reconciled.

1. CHRIST TO SIT ON THE THRONE OF DAVID
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. (Isa 9:6,7)

2. NERI (NERIAH) IS THE ANCESTOR OF CHRIST
The ancestor of Christ was Neri (Neriah) not Jeconiah, even though Jeconiah is also shown as His ancestor in Matthew.
Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri (Lk 3:27)
And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel (Mt 1:12)

So how does one reconcile this? Michael Brown, in his book Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus: New Testament Objections explains:
1 Chronicles 3:17-19 states that Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel and Pedaiah. But then the text says that Pedaiah’s son was also called Zerubbabel! But other passages state that Shealtiel was the father of Zerubbabel (Ezra 3:2; Neh. 12:1; Hag. 1:1). This shows that this could have been a case of levirate marriage (see Gen. 38:8-9; Deut. 25:5-10). A widow of a childless man could marry his brother. When the woman gave birth, he would carry on his deceased father’s name. This was the case so a man’s name could go on—even if he died prematurely. Michael Brown writes, “In the case of Zerubabbel, it would appear that his biological father was Pedaiah, the younger brother of Shealtiel who died childless. Pedaiah then married the widow of Shealtiel, in accordance with the laws of levirate marriage, and his firstborn son, Zerubabbel, was counted as the son of his deceased brother, Shealtiel, to ‘build up his brother’s family line’ (Deut. 25:9).” Brown, Michael L. Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus: New Testament Objections. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 2006. 79.

3. "CHILDLESS" LITERALLY MEANS "STRIPPED"
Strong's Concordance
ariri: stripped
Original Word: עֲרִירִי
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: ariri
Phonetic Spelling: (ar-e-ree')
Definition: stripped

So what could "stripped" have meant in Jeremiah's prophecy?
"...a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper..."

We know from the history of the kingdom of Judah, that after Jeconiah, Judah was "stripped" from the Jews and their kings and handed over to Nebuchadnezzar.

2 KINGS 24
6 So Jehoiakim slept with his fathers: and Jehoiachin [Jeconiah] his son reigned in his stead.
7 And the king of Egypt came not again any more out of his land: for the king of Babylon had taken from the river of Egypt unto the river Euphrates all that pertained to the king of Egypt.
8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.
9 And he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD, according to all that his father had done.
10 At that time the servants of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came up against Jerusalem, and the city was besieged.
11 And Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came against the city, and his servants did besiege it.
12 And Jehoiachin the king of Judah went out to the king of Babylon, he, and his mother, and his servants, and his princes, and his officers: and the king of Babylon took him in the eighth year of his reign.

All of this means what? Matthew, divinely inspired, messed up when he inserted Coniah in the genealogy of Jesus. This is what most of you are reduced to....spending a lot of time telling us all how the Bible doesn’t actually mean what it says.

 

[Soverign Grace]

All the Pastors that I knew were not deceived about it, but come 2000 on this gibberish came on stronger and stronger.

I do not know why it is that Christians nowadays reject the Bible on account of what St Stephen informed them of the Jewish Star and he is totally correct in points it out for it's history for all to see, now St Stephen was full of the Holy Spirit the Bible points out not to mention that he points out the Jewish History perfectly for anyone who could be bothered to look, now he was trying to get the Jews on track and to come to the real God of Israel, but they killed him. as they always had did, remember the Vineyard story and all of the Prophets of God that were killed, by this mob of Whores.

When anyone who looks to the Jews for salvation you know that they do not know who Jesus Christ truly is in fact, for if they knew, they would not be looking to mans works of the Jews. Jesus Christ has come he is here now and there is only one Jesus Christ, but one truly needs the Holy Spirit to understand this. because if they don't understand they are lost as to him and looking for another.

I agree that one needs the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth. I wondered what was happening because I read that Rothschild created Israel, and I knew if he really did then I wondered what his diabolical purposes were.

 

[Soverign Grace]

The nation of Israel today is not the same as the one God established long ago. They were destroyed and their history with it.

That's what I've been reading and I wanted to see what other believers thought. What really concerned me was when I read that the "star of David" is the evil one's star - it didn't make sense that Israel - such a revered nation, would fly the satanic star. I found this:

The Star Of David Deception
This end times deception study will focus on the hexagram, which we’ve been told is the ‘Star of David‘, the universally recognized symbol of the state of Israel and the Jews.

Our Creator used the six-sided design to point to His name in the Wilderness Tabernacle, and in things like the lily in all it’s spender. But Satan has perverted this symbol to use in his false religions.

The truth is that no Scripture says that King David used a star, so calling it the ‘Star of David‘ is a nice sounding name to cover what it really represents.

Satan hides the true meaning of his symbols behind counterfeit explanations.

To summarize, the six-pointed star is the supreme symbol of Satanic tyranny, which has been used by people throughout history to directly or indirectly worship Satan.

The idolotrous Babylonians, Egyptians and Assyrians used it.

The Israelites worshiped star gods, such as Remphan and Chiun, which could have been 5-sided or 6-sided stars.

The Star Of David Deception

 

[Enoch111]

I'm unsure of this as I just stepped into the topic but why would the nation of Israel fly the evil one's flag?

The nation of Israel consists of unbelieving Israel. And they may not even know that the star of David is not really the star of David. Stephen told the Jews about "the star of your god Remphan" which indicated that the Jews were not being obedient to God and worshiping idols (evil spirits behind those idols).

But Christians should be the last ones to be high-minded about unbelieving Jews. We are warned by the Holy Spirit through Paul:

ROMANS 11
15 For if the casting away of them [UNBELIEVING JEWS] be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree [BELIEVING ISRAEL];
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also [UNBELIEVING JEWS], if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

 

[CNKW3]

The nation of Israel consists of unbelieving Israel. And they may not even know that the star of David is not really the star of David. Stephen told the Jews about "the star of your god Remphan" which indicated that the Jews were not being obedient to God and worshiping idols (evil spirits behind those idols).

But Christians should be the last ones to be high-minded about unbelieving Jews. We are warned by the Holy Spirit through Paul:

ROMANS 11
15 For if the casting away of them [UNBELIEVING JEWS] be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree [BELIEVING ISRAEL];
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also [UNBELIEVING JEWS], if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

This was true in the first century, but the problem now....2000 years after the jewish system was destroyed is there is not one person living today that can trace there heritage back to a tribe of Israel. So, nobody even knows who “they” are. Just because you are born in the present country Israel does not make you one of the above Paul was speaking of. The churches in the first century were all made up of both Jew and gentile. It would be easy to have been arrogant or prejudice in some way. That is not the case today. Those individuals knew they were an Israelite. Paul laid out his heritage and knew he was from the tribe of Benjamin. That does not exist today.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I agree that one needs the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth. I wondered what was happening because I read that Rothschild created Israel, and I knew if he really did then I wondered what his diabolical purposes were.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely I would say and it's just a madness that one wants more and more regardless.

I have seen people into cars that start off with 200hp and then get the bug and end up driving around the streets with 1000hp or more, I have to ask why ? such it's madness.

With Rothschild he was a moron to claim his power over England like he did, he was insane ! one can see that he was saying that he was above the Law and God because he controlled everything or had the power and influence to make all dance to his tune.
Rothschild's is not a Jew he is only a Talmud Whore Satanist who is only leading the world astray, so as to enslave all, he is playing the Jews on a string not to mention the most of the Christians now, even Pope Frances sees him as his superior as can bee seen in how he came to Rothschild as a lackey.
When the Pope sits in his chair and Priest come to him and kiss the ring on his hand that is an act of submission to the Pope, now we see that Pope Frances comes to Rothschild in the same manner, I seen this all on TV ! I nearly fell over backwards ! what the hell ! this is an abomination ! but no one said boo about such a total blasphemy ! the whole RCC should of been up in arms and tossed the Pope out of the church directly.

The Pope bowing down to the wealthiest man on earth by far ? why ! well he is a Satanist and in Rothschild pocket or on a lead like a dog.

The purpose is to rule the whole world with one government from the State of Israel and dominate the world totally making all the people slaves, the game play is at hand and Political Correctness is the tool to make sure that no one can oppose the enslavement, as one can see that all the world must now abandon that their are 2 different types of sex now, male and female are the same and equal under Satan (the one who leads all astray)? their must be equal amount of representation of men and women black and white etc and this is all a madness, so as to undermine and for control of the ones who hide in the shadows pulling the strings to make the puppets dance, in fact what this intent is doing is undermining the dignity of Woman to be seen truly as a woman.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

And a Man the same with his dignity as a man, for what ! a lie ! and so that Sodomites dominate over all and the true values and virtues of a man or a woman is stomped on as worthless in the eyes of such degenerates, as they have bastardised the foundations of man and woman for a lie and elevated queers above all and the laws are now been made up to empower queers way above all others, as one can not question such for grave fear, or have to deal with the wrath of the Satanic powers that are lording it over us nowadays like a mongrel dog. they will destroy anyone with such open full on malice.

Hitler was a Queer poofter as well, what 50yo and not married ? and many top Nazis were poofters as well.
Many poofters are very much dictator types that can't handle a woman because they have to dominate and lord it over all, like a mad man possessed and they will stop at nothing to scratch their way to the top. it's typical it's all their way or nothing. I have seen such displayed many a time with Queers they are the most vengeful spiteful men I have ever come across by far, they are always knit picking and bitching as they say and take delight in such a childish behaviour 24/7. straight men have nothing on such displays.
All Gays have severe mental issues as they are possessed by demons without doubt and one can not believe a word that they say because it's all BS.

So no wonder we see the world going to hell in a hand basket nowadays as everything have been turned upside down.