Is Israel really biblical Israel or is it a devil's creation?

[Lady Crosstalk]

We need some clarity regarding this subject. So Christians need to ask themselves some hard questions and obtain some honest answers.

1. Is the modern secular nation-state of Israel located in Palestine, and is Jerusalem its capital? Absolutely

2. Was Jerusalem the capital of ancient Israel? Absolutely.

3. Did at least a few Palestinian (Sephardic) Jews remain in Palestine after the Diaspora of the Jews? Absolutely.

4. Were there both Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jews in Europe and the USSR? Absolutely

5. Did both Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jews return to Israel after 1948? Absolutely

6. Are Jewish proselytes regarded as fully Jews by the Jews themselves? Absolutely.

7. Therefore are Ashkenazic Jews fully Jews for all practical purposes? Absolutely.

8. Will Christ return to Jerusalem at His second coming? Absolutely

9. Will God supernaturally gather all Jews worldwide and bring them to Israel after Christ's second coming? Absolutely.

The New Testament tells us that the majority of Jews were (and are) still in unbelief because they have been blinded to the truth about Christ. At the same time many Jews are presently turning to Yeshua ha Mashiach (Jesus the Christ) and becoming Messianic Jews (believers).

The Zionists from Europe who worked to establish the nation of Israel in the late 19th and early 20th century were also unbelieving Jews. But because of the persecution of Jews throughout Europe and the former USSR, they believed that Jews needed a homeland for themselves, and no one can argue with that. It is the same with the persecuted Kurds today, who should also have a homeland for themselves. No one should forget that both the Nazis and the Soviet Communists were trying to exterminate the Jews througout Europe and the USSR, and almost succeeded. No one should also forget that Anti-Semitism was rife throughout Europe and North America at the same time as Jews were being killed in death camps.

So while the nation of Israel is definitely not biblical Israel, it is still unbelieving Israel as far as God is concerned. But after the second coming of Christ, one third of all Jews worldwide will become the believing remnant of Israel and go into the Millennium. And God knows exactly who is in which tribe as we see in Ezekiel 48.

AMEN!

 

[Soverign Grace]

The nation of Israel consists of unbelieving Israel. And they may not even know that the star of David is not really the star of David. Stephen told the Jews about "the star of your god Remphan" which indicated that the Jews were not being obedient to God and worshiping idols (evil spirits behind those idols).

But Christians should be the last ones to be high-minded about unbelieving Jews. We are warned by the Holy Spirit through Paul:

ROMANS 11
15 For if the casting away of them [UNBELIEVING JEWS] be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree [BELIEVING ISRAEL];
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also [UNBELIEVING JEWS], if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

I never thought about them not recognizing what it really was - I've been a believer for 40 years and I didn't know it until recently. But I've still been questioning everything that is being taught now. I have that verse in the back of my mind that if possible even the elect will be deceived.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely I would say and it's just a madness that one wants more and more regardless.

I have seen people into cars that start off with 200hp and then get the bug and end up driving around the streets with 1000hp or more, I have to ask why ? such it's madness.

With Rothschild he was a moron to claim his power over England like he did, he was insane ! one can see that he was saying that he was above the Law and God because he controlled everything or had the power and influence to make all dance to his tune.
Rothschild's is not a Jew he is only a Talmud Whore Satanist who is only leading the world astray, so as to enslave all, he is playing the Jews on a string not to mention the most of the Christians now, even Pope Frances sees him as his superior as can bee seen in how he came to Rothschild as a lackey.
When the Pope sits in his chair and Priest come to him and kiss the ring on his hand that is an act of submission to the Pope, now we see that Pope Frances comes to Rothschild in the same manner, I seen this all on TV ! I nearly fell over backwards ! what the hell ! this is an abomination ! but no one said boo about such a total blasphemy ! the whole RCC should of been up in arms and tossed the Pope out of the church directly.

The Pope bowing down to the wealthiest man on earth by far ? why ! well he is a Satanist and in Rothschild pocket or on a lead like a dog.

The purpose is to rule the whole world with one government from the State of Israel and dominate the world totally making all the people slaves, the game play is at hand and Political Correctness is the tool to make sure that no one can oppose the enslavement, as one can see that all the world must now abandon that their are 2 different types of sex now, male and female are the same and equal under Satan (the one who leads all astray)? their must be equal amount of representation of men and women black and white etc and this is all a madness, so as to undermine and for control of the ones who hide in the shadows pulling the strings to make the puppets dance, in fact what this intent is doing is undermining the dignity of Woman to be seen truly as a woman.

It's pretty bad when you really get a clear picture of what's really going on. Pope Francis though is evil. I read when they wanted to infiltrate the Catholic Church they said they only had to wait for the right Pope - but there was another that was evil too - I don't know his name but I've seen photos.

So they're going to use Israel as their home base - someone told me that they thought the wall to be built might be meant to keep us in, and not keep others out. I read that they're coming out with genderless clothing lines. I'm surprised at how many women doctors and lawyers there are now. It shouldn't be any surprise that the birth rate has fallen.

 

[Soverign Grace]

And a Man the same with his dignity as a man, for what ! a lie ! and so that Sodomites dominate over all and the true values and virtues of a man or a woman is stomped on as worthless in the eyes of such degenerates, as they have bastardised the foundations of man and woman for a lie and elevated queers above all and the laws are now been made up to empower queers way above all others, as one can not question such for grave fear, or have to deal with the wrath of the Satanic powers that are lording it over us nowadays like a mongrel dog. they will destroy anyone with such open full on malice.

Hitler was a Queer poofter as well, what 50yo and not married ? and many top Nazis were poofters as well.
Many poofters are very much dictator types that can't handle a woman because they have to dominate and lord it over all, like a mad man possessed and they will stop at nothing to scratch their way to the top. it's typical it's all their way or nothing. I have seen such displayed many a time with Queers they are the most vengeful spiteful men I have ever come across by far, they are always knit picking and bitching as they say and take delight in such a childish behaviour 24/7. straight men have nothing on such displays.
All Gays have severe mental issues as they are possessed by demons without doubt and one can not believe a word that they say because it's all BS.

So no wonder we see the world going to hell in a hand basket nowadays as everything have been turned upside down.

I keep wondering how much longer God is going to let things go. Some days I have to stop reading the news.

 

[Enoch111]

I never thought about them not recognizing what it really was - I've been a believer for 40 years and I didn't know it until recently. But I've still been questioning everything that is being taught now. I have that verse in the back of my mind that if possible even the elect will be deceived.

1. There is no biblical basis for the star of David.
2. Unbelieving and disobedient Jews were connected to the star of the pagan god Remphan.
3. The six pointed star first appears in connection with Jews in the 11th century (the Hebrew Leningrad Codex).
4. The Zionists adopted it as their symbol around the 19th-20th centuries.
5. The star of David is a hexagram, not the pentagram associated with Satan.
6. However, the hexagram was a Kabbalistic and occultic symbol.
7. Chances are most modern Jews do not know about all this.

Please note that you may be getting overly influenced by conspiracy theories, so you need to keep things in perspective.

 

[Soverign Grace]

1. There is no biblical basis for the star of David.
2. Unbelieving and disobedient Jews were connected to the star of the pagan god Remphan.
3. The six pointed star first appears in connection with Jews in the 11th century (the Hebrew Leningrad Codex).
4. The Zionists adopted it as their symbol around the 19th-20th centuries.
5. The star of David is a hexagram, not the pentagram associated with Satan.
6. However, the hexagram was a Kabbalistic and occultic symbol.
7. Chances are most modern Jews do not know about all this.

Please note that you may be getting overly influenced by conspiracy theories, so you need to keep things in perspective.

I had just accepted that it was the star of David - I don't recall where I had even heard it or read it.

I appreciate the warning and mostly the spirit it was given in - I wish everyone would treat others with such respect. When I was kept from being seen in the ER I began looking into why this mass migration was happening - that was when I learned about what is really going on. Then God opened up Revelations. I was surprised when I tried to share it with our pastor that he wasn't interested - I know he's busy and he teaches college on top of his pastoral duties but I'm concerned that if pastors don't get it right then they can teach error which is then multiplied. So then I tried to share it in bible study and the two pastors there didn't know about it and one told me to be careful what I read online. I tried sharing with friends and they weren't interested - so I had no one to connect with until I found my way here and met a few others who knew it and how it all fit with Revelations. Now I find myself questioning everything and not taking for granted that a pastor knows the truth. Where did you learn the above - in bible study or in study on your own?

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

1. There is no biblical basis for the star of David.
2. Unbelieving and disobedient Jews were connected to the star of the pagan god Remphan.
3. The six pointed star first appears in connection with Jews in the 11th century (the Hebrew Leningrad Codex).
4. The Zionists adopted it as their symbol around the 19th-20th centuries.
5. The star of David is a hexagram, not the pentagram associated with Satan.
6. However, the hexagram was a Kabbalistic and occultic symbol.
7. Chances are most modern Jews do not know about all this.

Please note that you may be getting overly influenced by conspiracy theories, so you need to keep things in perspective.

Agreed. Probably a majority of Jews are today, non-religious. They may observe the Jewish feasts and Sabbath (much the same as Gentile unbelievers celebrate Christmas and Easter) but they do not really practice Judaism. They wouldn't have a clue that the "star of David" is actually a symbol of the occult. Satanists believe that one of the most powerful symbols (they believe in that sort of thing) is the "seal of Solomon" which is a six-pointed star within a circle. Some religious Jews who were more learned, objected to the proposed use of the "star of David" as a national symbol, when modern Israel was being formed. They argued instead for the use of the Menorah. Didn't matter, the Cabalist (variant spelling) occultists won out. Cabalists pay far more attention to the evil Talmud (a commentary on the Tanakh) than they do the Tanakh itself. (For those who don't know, the Tanakh is the Jewish Bible--our Old Testament). The Talmud is horrible, evil and often disgusting. I can't imagine why anyone--let alone a Christian--would pay any attention to it. A recently popular "Christian"book called, The Circle Maker was loosely based on a story from the Talmud.

 

[APAK]

@Soverign Grace and to others who are interested.....from a first-hand perspective and account. Someone mostly known today as an infamous NAZI.....a name given to them by their enemy.

Here's a real and genuine article about this German patriot that he was called by his own people. Have we been in his and their shoes and walked their lives that we are quick to pass judgment? And no I do not agree with the ways and methods taken by theses Germans and its people to ride themselves of their enemy, who was literally killing them 'softly.'
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The article then, and I have more of them...

The World Enemy

by Joseph Goebbels

“Three hundred men, each of whom knows the others, direct the economic fate of the continent. They find their successors from within their ranks.”

That is what one of these three hundred, who surely should know, wrote on 25 December 1909 in Vienna’s Neue Freie Presse: the leading capitalist, minister of the Republic, friend of the Bolshevists, and International Jew Walter Rathenau. When he died, hundreds of thousands of the Marxist proletariat demonstrated against capitalism and Reaction, for socialism and for Rathenau.

International high finance has taken command of the sovereign rights of the German people and is now making itself at home in our former realms of power. True to the ancient law of the Jewish race, “You shall devour all the peoples,” they began with us by shattering our people’s strength to resist through war and revolution, then bit by bit by taking over the most important structures of the state body.

They now own our currency and control by far the greatest part of German production, our transportation system, and as a result of their military and diplomatic capacities, Germany’s borders. The press is almost entirely in their hands; they thus control public opinion and determine the parliament and government. With the help of German politicians, they put an overseer in place, the secret Kaiser Parker Gilbert [the Agent General for Reparations from 1924-1930]. He controls the colonial budget and influences income and expenditures; the parliament and government are entirely in his hands, and the conditions of slavery that have prevailed in Germany since 9 November 1918 guarantee the continuation of this miserable state.

The Marxist parties are wiling tools in the hands of these exploiters of money. With their help, world stock exchanges were able to rob the German people of its possessions. During the world-shattering military struggle, they took two million of Germany’s best sons; from their blood Wall Street coined the gold bars that today obligate us to pay tribute. They used the so-called inflation to rob us of what we owned, and in place gave us a new currency, one that no longer belongs to us, but rather to our oppressors. The world enemy has the vital organs of our national body in its hands.

On the asphalt streets of modern big cities, the World Jew builds an imperialistic dictatorship of Red Gold; Its pillars are the press, the workers’ movement, parliament, and the cowardice of the bourgeois parties. Each wretched day that passes is another step in the march of gold against blood. Things are moving relentlessly, and one can already determine with mathematical certainty when the last element of Germandom disappear from politics, the economy, and culture, and we will be at the end.

That is the situation! While we break our heads and chase after phantoms, money is preparing for its last destructive blow against German labor, and today there can be no doubt that, given the continuing weaken of the German will to resist, this catastrophe is closer than we all want to believe.

The great national and international parties have long since capitulated shamefully to the lust for power of the world enemy, whether openly or not. They either work for collapse or else advance it consciously or unconsciously through cowardice and the lack of a will to resist. While parliament gives speeches and holds debates, no one knowing anything, the forces of money march directly and clearly forward in a campaign of conquest against German labor. One day we will again be unprepared to face to face the facts that confronted us in 1914 and 1918, which will then be even more terrible and unavoidable as those that prevailed when this world-historical battle first began.

Are we, then, wrong in calling for resistance? Have we Germans deserved to have our chains of slavery made from gold made from the sweat and blood of our brothers?

The lords of money are preparing their final blow. They have robbed our people of faith and will, they have shamed and dishonored us, and now want to grab us around our neck. No speeches, no begging, can stop that — only resistance, battle, attack! God will not help us. We must help ourselves.

Our life is in danger. The German people is in a constant state of emergency. Any means is appropriate to stop the enemy.

We are ready to use everything we have. If we free Germany from the insanity of gold, it will be the greatest achievement in world history! Blood against gold! Labor against money! Fists against legal paragraphs! Life against dead phrases!

That is what we march for!

19 March 1928.
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Blessings,

APAK

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

1. There is no biblical basis for the star of David.
2. Unbelieving and disobedient Jews were connected to the star of the pagan god Remphan.
3. The six pointed star first appears in connection with Jews in the 11th century (the Hebrew Leningrad Codex).
4. The Zionists adopted it as their symbol around the 19th-20th centuries.
5. The star of David is a hexagram, not the pentagram associated with Satan.
6. However, the hexagram was a Kabbalistic and occultic symbol.
7. Chances are most modern Jews do not know about all this.

Please note that you may be getting overly influenced by conspiracy theories, so you need to keep things in perspective.

The Jews did know about this fact about that Star and when the Jews who came the State called Israel and that flag was chosen, many of them Jews were not happy about it at all.

The Menorah is the correct representation for the True believing Jews who truly stand behind Holy Moses and God.

Only devout Jews know the truth about what the Star is and the majority of people claiming to be Jews would not have a clue nor would they care, just like most Christians are ignorant of the facts about it.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Agreed. Probably a majority of Jews are today, non-religious. They may observe the Jewish feasts and Sabbath (much the same as Gentile unbelievers celebrate Christmas and Easter) but they do not really practice Judaism. They wouldn't have a clue that the "star of David" is actually a symbol of the occult. Satanists believe that one of the most powerful symbols (they believe in that sort of thing) is the "seal of Solomon" which is a six-pointed star within a circle. Some religious Jews who were more learned, objected to the proposed use of the "star of David" as a national symbol, when modern Israel was being formed. They argued instead for the use of the Menorah. Didn't matter, the Cabalist (variant spelling) occultists won out. Cabalists pay far more attention to the evil Talmud (a commentary on the Tanakh) than they do the Tanakh itself. (For those who don't know, the Tanakh is the Jewish Bible--our Old Testament). The Talmud is horrible, evil and often disgusting. I can't imagine why anyone--let alone a Christian--would pay any attention to it. A recently popular "Christian"book called, The Circle Maker was loosely based on a story from the Talmud.

You seem knowledgeable about this as well - I feel like I missed something - maybe the churches we were in weren't very thorough or I never got into bible studies that taught this. I never heard of the Kabbalah until I came here and Brakelite introduced me to Walter Veith and he taught about it. I learned about the Catholic Church from Veith too - and that was an eye opener. I really saw the mass delusion since my entire family was Catholic. I still don't have a clear picture of everything just yet. We met a young Israeli man in the city. I had this naive` view that Israel was this very holy place and I was shocked at how immoral the man was in his speech. I asked him about living in Israel and he told me that the nation is all commercialized and it's all about drawing people there to make money.

I heard that the Talmud was evil. I was talking with someone who told me that when America collapses there will be a mass exodus to Israel but now I'm wondering just how far that deception goes.

 

[Soverign Grace]

@Soverign Grace and to others who are interested.....from a first-hand perspective and account. Someone mostly known today as an infamous NAZI.....a name given to them by their enemy.

Here's a real and genuine article about this German patriot that he was called by his own people. Have we been in his and their shoes and walked their lives that we are quick to pass judgment? And no I do not agree with the ways and methods taken by theses Germans and its people to ride themselves of their enemy, who was literally killing them 'softly.'
---------------
The article then, and I have more of them...

The World Enemy

by Joseph Goebbels

“Three hundred men, each of whom knows the others, direct the economic fate of the continent. They find their successors from within their ranks.”

That is what one of these three hundred, who surely should know, wrote on 25 December 1909 in Vienna’s Neue Freie Presse: the leading capitalist, minister of the Republic, friend of the Bolshevists, and International Jew Walter Rathenau. When he died, hundreds of thousands of the Marxist proletariat demonstrated against capitalism and Reaction, for socialism and for Rathenau.

International high finance has taken command of the sovereign rights of the German people and is now making itself at home in our former realms of power. True to the ancient law of the Jewish race, “You shall devour all the peoples,” they began with us by shattering our people’s strength to resist through war and revolution, then bit by bit by taking over the most important structures of the state body.

They now own our currency and control by far the greatest part of German production, our transportation system, and as a result of their military and diplomatic capacities, Germany’s borders. The press is almost entirely in their hands; they thus control public opinion and determine the parliament and government. With the help of German politicians, they put an overseer in place, the secret Kaiser Parker Gilbert [the Agent General for Reparations from 1924-1930]. He controls the colonial budget and influences income and expenditures; the parliament and government are entirely in his hands, and the conditions of slavery that have prevailed in Germany since 9 November 1918 guarantee the continuation of this miserable state.

The Marxist parties are wiling tools in the hands of these exploiters of money. With their help, world stock exchanges were able to rob the German people of its possessions. During the world-shattering military struggle, they took two million of Germany’s best sons; from their blood Wall Street coined the gold bars that today obligate us to pay tribute. They used the so-called inflation to rob us of what we owned, and in place gave us a new currency, one that no longer belongs to us, but rather to our oppressors. The world enemy has the vital organs of our national body in its hands.

On the asphalt streets of modern big cities, the World Jew builds an imperialistic dictatorship of Red Gold; Its pillars are the press, the workers’ movement, parliament, and the cowardice of the bourgeois parties. Each wretched day that passes is another step in the march of gold against blood. Things are moving relentlessly, and one can already determine with mathematical certainty when the last element of Germandom disappear from politics, the economy, and culture, and we will be at the end.

That is the situation! While we break our heads and chase after phantoms, money is preparing for its last destructive blow against German labor, and today there can be no doubt that, given the continuing weaken of the German will to resist, this catastrophe is closer than we all want to believe.

The great national and international parties have long since capitulated shamefully to the lust for power of the world enemy, whether openly or not. They either work for collapse or else advance it consciously or unconsciously through cowardice and the lack of a will to resist. While parliament gives speeches and holds debates, no one knowing anything, the forces of money march directly and clearly forward in a campaign of conquest against German labor. One day we will again be unprepared to face to face the facts that confronted us in 1914 and 1918, which will then be even more terrible and unavoidable as those that prevailed when this world-historical battle first began.

Are we, then, wrong in calling for resistance? Have we Germans deserved to have our chains of slavery made from gold made from the sweat and blood of our brothers?

The lords of money are preparing their final blow. They have robbed our people of faith and will, they have shamed and dishonored us, and now want to grab us around our neck. No speeches, no begging, can stop that — only resistance, battle, attack! God will not help us. We must help ourselves.

Our life is in danger. The German people is in a constant state of emergency. Any means is appropriate to stop the enemy.

We are ready to use everything we have. If we free Germany from the insanity of gold, it will be the greatest achievement in world history! Blood against gold! Labor against money! Fists against legal paragraphs! Life against dead phrases!

That is what we march for!

19 March 1928.
--------------------------------------

Blessings,

APAK

That's a powerful account but I had always thought that Goebbels was synonymous with evil - is he talking about the evil world bankers that the Germans were trying to rid themselves of? If so that throws another whole perspective into the mix.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

That's a powerful account but I had always thought that Goebbels was synonymous with evil.

Blaming the Jews for the creation of the international banking establishment ignores the fact that there were and are many, many more Gentiles than Jews within it.

Joseph Goebbels was an evil man but not particularly more evil than the average unbeliever in Germany at that time. At first. He became seduced by much more evil (and deluded) over time because, as cliched as it is, power corrupts (and the more power, the more its corrupting influence on an individual who is without moral convictions). They do and say things that come out of political expediency, and often express much bitterness and cynicism at the end of their lives.

Goebbels was not originally very antisemitic (at least, not more so than the average European) but, he became more virulent, on that measure, as he became more powerful and important to Hitler. Goebbels' wife, Magda, observed that Goebbels was not very disposed toward antisemitism (he had Jewish friends as he grew up) but "Hitler required it". It was politically expedient to blame the Jews for German economic problems which came out of WWI, but it was just a cynical ploy to exploit the general antisemitism within Germany.

Germany, in the years between WWI and WWII, was full of political extremism. A lot of Germans were resentful over being forced to pay for war reparations, which did great harm to the German economy, after WWI. That resentment intensified during the period of the failing German Weimar Republic. Among the radicals, there were two factions of Nazis--one centered in northern Germany and another in southern Germany. Goebbels was sympathetic to the socialist notions prevalent in the north, and Hitler was adamant in his support for fascism in the south.

Extremists, in the effort to achieve their political goals, are always willing to justify what they do, with the phrase, "by any means necessary." (That is the reason why it is, today, chilling to hear socialist Democrats saying those kinds of things). As Christians, we understand that the statement, "the end justifies the means" is a highly immoral statement (and that is a catchphrase for many communists yet today, in addition to those few official communist regimes left). That kind of thinking--whether that of "rightist" dictators or "leftist" dictators always results in the murder of huge numbers of civilians by their own governments, taken over by such extremists. Communist dictators, just like their cousins on the "right," send their "secret police" out to arrest dissidents and cart them away to the gulags (or worse). Communism's toll in Russia was 20 million Russian citizens killed by their own government, Mao's toll in China was 70 million Chinese, Pol Pot's Cambodia killed several million and even the communist Castro brothers in Cuba, killed at least 100,000 political dissidents (and the killing goes on to this day). Radical dictators on the "right" seem to be somewhat more restrained. South American "rightist" dictators send "death squads" against their own defiant citizenry. When one subtracts the war dead and the Jews from the stats, Hitler only killed about 2 million of his own countrymen. That was obviously horrible but our leftist media fails to report on the huge number of atrocities of the communists wherever they take over. The abuse of human rights in China, N. Korea, Cuba and now Venezuela by their communist governments is the stuff of nightmares. Venezuela is officially "socialist" but its "hit squads" against its own dissidents are just as deadly as any communist regime or those of any "rightist" junta in Central or S. America.

But, I digress. To make a long story short, Hitler's brand of extremism was able to take over in the Nazi Party, but not without a lot of support from many industrialists and more covert support from monarchists throughout Europe. They were able to first take over the media and then they disarmed the German people--both essential measures for extremists, because it makes the people uninformed and defenseless. As the head of the propaganda apparatus, Goebbels was in a very important position for keeping the German people from learning the truth. A lesson of history we would do well to remember.

Even Goebbels' own six children were victims of the evil that took over, under the Nazis. When it became obvious in 1945 that Germany would be defeated by the Allies, he and his wife Magda took their children with them into a bunker that adjoined Hitler's. Joseph Goebbels and his wife, Magda, then murdered their six children, aged 13 down to 5, before committing suicide themselves, by cyanide poisoning. This, in spite of the fact, that they had several well-placed friends who offered to smuggle the children out of Germany.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

It's amazing that most people do not know what Communism truly is or how many people such monsters have killed, one may ask ones self why is this so.
One may ask how come we still have such people who still runabout killing and the media are not bothered in truly covering such or hide much of it, so as one can not get a true handle on the workings of such killing mobs. sadly most people do not truly want to know about the facts because they can not handle such things, sadly they truly love to be ignorant, they some how feel empowered that way .

Back in 1976 when China's leader died our Australian PM was seen nearly in tears about this monster who holds the world record for killing more of his own people than any other but our State Premier was the only one in Australia that point out the fact, that this creep was a mass murder and said that he was not going to China, like all the rest of the grubs to pay their respects for a bastard.

Our Premier that pointed out the facts was a devout Christian and did not hide the fact that he was a Christian, but boy was he attacked for being a Christian and tormented for such, he was called names, like Bible bashing bastard etc all the time and because he taught Sunday school even as the Premier and that got up their nose as well. not to mention the media went after him full on 24/7 they were so full of malice, telling lies and making up total nonsense to try to discredit him in the eyes of simple minded fools and then all the Satanist set up a witch hunt with a open cheque book, spending millions of tax payers money going through his 20 years as Premier and 40 year in all, with a fine tooth comb and he had to defend himself with his own money and they found nothing on him at all, if he had government money to defend himself he would of been able to fire back at them and make them out for the idiots that they truly were, but that would cost him huge amounts, so he had his hands tied behind his back.
But after all that they still slandered him full on and sadly the majority of people in Australia only education of him is through what they were conjured up by the media.
The Marxist Satanic Socialist media hated him because he pointed them out for what they truly were and foiled their cunning Communist plotting's and he could see that they were truly just like sharks fooling the Australian people and feeding of their ignorance, as all Satanist are like predators, not to mention when they have devoured all the dupes then they will turn on themselves.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Blaming the Jews for the creation of the international banking establishment ignores the fact that there were and are many, many more Gentiles than Jews within it.

Joseph Goebbels was an evil man but not particularly more evil than the average unbeliever in Germany at that time. At first. He became seduced by much more evil (and deluded) over time because, as cliched as it is, power corrupts (and the more power, the more its corrupting influence on an individual who is without moral convictions). They do and say things that come out of political expediency, and often express much bitterness and cynicism at the end of their lives.

Goebbels was not originally very antisemitic (at least, not more so than the average European) but, he became more virulent, on that measure, as he became more powerful and important to Hitler. Goebbels' wife, Magda, observed that Goebbels was not very disposed toward antisemitism (he had Jewish friends as he grew up) but "Hitler required it". It was politically expedient to blame the Jews for German economic problems which came out of WWI, but it was just a cynical ploy to exploit the general antisemitism within Germany.

Germany, in the years between WWI and WWII, was full of political extremism. A lot of Germans were resentful over being forced to pay for war reparations, which did great harm to the German economy, after WWI. That resentment intensified during the period of the failing German Wiemar Republic. Among the radicals, there were two factions of Nazis--one centered in northern Germany and another in southern Germany. Goebbels was sympathetic to the socialist notions prevalent in the north, and Hitler was adamant in his support for fascism in the south.

Extremists, in the effort to achieve their political goals, are always willing to justify what they do, with the phrase, "by any means necessary." (That is the reason why it is, today, chilling to hear socialist Democrats saying those kinds of things). As Christians, we understand that the statement, "the end justifies the means" is a highly immoral statement (and that is a catchphrase for many communists yet today, in addition to those few official communist regimes left). That kind of thinking--whether that of "rightist" dictators or "leftist" dictators always results in the murder of huge numbers of civilians by their own governments, taken over by such extremists. Communist dictators, just like their cousins on the "right," send their "secret police" out to arrest dissidents and cart them away to the gulags (or worse). Communism's toll in Russia was 20 million Russian citizens killed by their own government, Mao's toll in China was 70 million Chinese, Pol Pot's Cambodia killed several million and even the communist Castro brothers in Cuba, killed at least 100,000 political dissidents (and the killing goes on to this day). Radical dictators on the "right" seem to be somewhat more restrained. South American "rightist" dictators send "death squads" against their own defiant citizenry. When one subtracts the war dead and the Jews from the stats, Hitler only killed about 2 million of his own countrymen. That was obviously horrible but our leftist media fails to report on the huge number of atrocities of the communists wherever they take over. The abuse of human rights in China, N. Korea, Cuba and now Venezuela by their communist governments is the stuff of nightmares. Venezuela is officially "socialist" but its "hit squads" against its own dissidents are just as deadly as any communist regime or those of any "rightist" junta in Central or S. America.

But, I digress. To make a long story short, Hitler's brand of extremism was able to take over in the Nazi Party, but not without a lot of support from many industrialists and more covert support from monarchists throughout Europe. They were able to first take over the media and then they disarmed the German people--both essential measures for extremists, because it makes the people uninformed and defenseless. As the head of the propaganda apparatus, Goebbels was in a very important position for keeping the German people from learning the truth. A lesson of history we would do well to remember.

Even Goebbels own six children were victims of the evil that took over, under the Nazis. When it became obvious in 1945 that Germany would be defeated by the Allies, he and his wife Magda took their children with them into a bunker that adjoined Hitler's. Joseph Goebbels and his wife, Magda, then murdered their six children, aged 13 down to 5, before committing suicide themselves, by cyanide poisoning. This, in spite of the fact, that they had several well-placed friends who offered to smuggle the children out of Germany.

Power does corrupt. I've never seen it but someone told me about an experiment proving how power corrupts: "The Stanford Prison Experiment." It's free online.

Funny that you brought that term up: "By any means necessary" - I heard that a Democrat mayor in CA said that and it is indeed chilling; I never knew the origins of it. What I find disturbing are the parallels with America that you note: disarming the public, takeover of the media - in addition to the Stasi, political correctness, and widespread surveillance. Take note that immigrants are being blamed for all of America's woes. They create some woes but the likeness to Nazi Germany can't be denied. Hitler even used the phrase: "Make Germany Great Again."

I agree that we should remember how propaganda was used. A keen eye can see it all throughout America and beyond.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Power does corrupt. I've never seen it but someone told me about an experiment proving how power corrupts: "The Stanford Prison Experiment." It's free online.

Yes, it is a classic and is often cited. I think that it is important to note that those with strong moral convictions (like Christians and non-Talmudic, religious Jews) are resistant to the corrupting influence of power but they can be seduced by it as well (look at King David as an example).

Funny that you brought that term up: "By any means necessary" - I heard that a Democrat mayor in CA said that and it is indeed chilling; I never knew the origins of it. What I find disturbing are the parallels with America that you note: disarming the public, takeover of the media - in addition to the Stasi, political correctness, and widespread surveillance. Take note that immigrants are being blamed for all of America's woes. They create some woes but the likeness to Nazi Germany can't be denied. Hitler even used the phrase: "Make Germany Great Again."

Yes, one hopes that the U.S. will be able to avoid going down the avenue of extremism--both of the "left" and the "right." The reason why I put them in quotes is that they are really the same kinds of people who push extremism--the decadent and diabolical. The only difference is that the leftists focus their hatred on the middle class and the rightists focus their hatred on the poor. But we have very few actual rightists in the "first world"--they are relegated to the "third world". Both are controlled by the powerful who prefer to remain as "unseen" as possible--they have their willing $tooges among the entertainment industry, professional sports and the "news" media. By the way, even the leftist Snopes denied that Hitler had "Make Germany Great Again" as a political slogan, although they claim Hitler might have said it in passing. Trying to compare President Trump to Hitler is a favorite tactic of the "left"--they take their tactics right out of the communist, Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. The reason why they HATE President Trump is because he is a staunch supporter of the middle class. He learned from his dad to always support the middle class as a way to protect democratic freedom. His dad was one of the first builders to build middle class housing in NYC. Before that, those who were building there were building exclusive housing for the wealthy elites. And the poor of NYC were living in deplorable conditions. Many of them were able to move up to middle class housing, when it became available.

I agree that we should remember how propaganda was used. A keen eye can see it all throughout America and beyond.

Yes--the mainstream media in the West is controlled by six corporations (really only five because two of them are majority owned by the Sumner Redstone family). They are: 1) General Electric whose media properties include Comcast; NBC News and MSNBC; Universal Pictures and Focus Features 2) Newscorp which, in turn, owns Fox News; The Wall Street Journal; The New York Post 3) Time-Warner which owns CNN; HBO; Time-Warner Communications 4) Disney Corporation which owns ABC News; ESPN; Pixar Entertainment; Miramax Studios and Marvel Entertainment 5) Viacom which owns MTV and Nickelodeon; BET; CMT and Paramount Pictures 6) CBS which owns Showtime Entertainment; the Smithsonian Cable Channel; NFL.com and 60 Minutes. (The last two corporations, CBS (#6) and Viacom (#5) are majority owned by the extremely wealthy Sumner Redstone family.) All of these corporations are majority owned by super-wealthy elites. These same corporations also own publishing houses and small local newspaper chains along with many, many other media outlets including "talk radio". Over 90 per cent of what we see, hear and read is controlled by the same small group of people. They trade media properties back and forth so this list may not be entirely up-to-date. There is a similar concentration of media ownership throughout the world--especially in Europe.

When the President of ABC News said a number of years ago, that he saw nothing wrong in shaping the news to reflect the preference of the owners of the media, it spelled the death knell for objective reporting of the news. In the past, there was always supposed to be a very CLEAR line between the news (objectivity was the ideal) and the opinions of the owner/publishers. No more. Political opinion is now openly part of the content of the news.

 

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Yes, it is a classic and is often cited. I think that it is important to note that those with strong moral convictions (like Christians and religious Jews) are resistant to the corrupting influence of power but they can be seduced by it as well (look at King David as an example).

Yes, one hopes that the U.S. will be able to avoid going down the avenue of extremism--both of the "left" and the "right." The reason why I put them in quotes is that they are really the same kinds of people who push extremism--the decadent and diabolical. The only difference is that the leftists focus their hatred on the middle class and the rightists focus their hatred on the poor. But we have very few actual rightists in the "first world"--they are relegated to the "third world". Both are controlled by the powerful who prefer to remain as "unseen" as possible--they have their willing $tooges among the entertainment industry, professional sports and the "news" media. By the way, even the leftist Snopes denied that Hitler had "Make Germany Great Again" as a political slogan, although they claim Hitler might have said it in passing. Trying to compare President Trump to Hitler is a favorite tactic of the "left"--they take their tactics right out of the communist, Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. The reason why they HATE President Trump is because he is a staunch supporter of the middle class. He learned from his dad to always support the middle class as a way to protect democratic freedom. His dad was one of the first builders to build middle class housing in NYC. Before that, those who were building there were building exclusive housing for the wealthy elites. And the poor of NYC were living in deplorable conditions. Many of them were able to move up to middle class housing, when it became available.



Yes--the mainstream media in the West is controlled by six corporations (really only five because two of them are majority owned by the Sumner Redstone family). They are: 1) General Electric whose media properties include Comcast; NBC News and MSNBC; Universal Pictures and Focus Features 2) Newscorp which, in turn, owns Fox News; The Wall Street Journal; The New York Post 3) Time-Warner which owns CNN; HBO; Time-Warner Communications 4) Disney Corporation which owns ABC News; ESPN; Pixar Entertainment; Miramax Studios and Marvel Entertainment 5) Viacom which owns MTV and Nickelodeon; BET; CMT and Paramount Pictures 6) CBS which owns Showtime Entertainment; the Smithsonian Cable Channel; NFL.com and 60 Minutes. (The last two corporations, CBS (#6) and Viacom (#5) are majority owned by the extremely wealthy Sumner Redstone family.) All of these corporations are majority owned by super-wealthy elites. These same corporations also own publishing houses and small local newspaper chains along with many, many other media outlets including "talk radio". Over 90 per cent of what we see, hear and read is controlled by the same small group of people. They trade media properties back and forth so this list may not be entirely up-to-date. There is a similar concentration of media ownership throughout the world--especially in Europe.

When the President of ABC News said a number of years ago, that he saw nothing wrong in shaping the news to reflect the preference of the owners of the media, it spelled the death knell for objective reporting of the news. In the past, there was always supposed to be a very CLEAR line between the news (objectivity was the ideal) and the opinions of the owner/publishers. No more. Political opinion is now openly part of the content of the news.

In the 19th century, the poet Tennyson spoke of politicians and their 'lies and lies and lies and lies'.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

It's pretty bad when you really get a clear picture of what's really going on. Pope Francis though is evil. I read when they wanted to infiltrate the Catholic Church they said they only had to wait for the right Pope - but there was another that was evil too - I don't know his name but I've seen photos.

It was probably the current Jesuit General, Arturo Sosa (also known as the "black pope"). His official title is Superior General of the Society of Jesus (if a priest has the initials s.j. after his name, it means that he is part of the "Society of Jesus," called the Jesuits for short). There has never been a Jesuit pope before Pope Francis. The Jesuits are extremely powerful in the Vatican and were always regarded with suspicion by the other orders of priests. It doesn't bode well for the RCC that Jesuits are now in control of the Papal throne.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Yes, it is a classic and is often cited. I think that it is important to note that those with strong moral convictions (like Christians and non-Talmudic, religious Jews) are resistant to the corrupting influence of power but they can be seduced by it as well (look at King David as an example).

Yes, one hopes that the U.S. will be able to avoid going down the avenue of extremism--both of the "left" and the "right." The reason why I put them in quotes is that they are really the same kinds of people who push extremism--the decadent and diabolical. The only difference is that the leftists focus their hatred on the middle class and the rightists focus their hatred on the poor. But we have very few actual rightists in the "first world"--they are relegated to the "third world". Both are controlled by the powerful who prefer to remain as "unseen" as possible--they have their willing $tooges among the entertainment industry, professional sports and the "news" media. By the way, even the leftist Snopes denied that Hitler had "Make Germany Great Again" as a political slogan, although they claim Hitler might have said it in passing. Trying to compare President Trump to Hitler is a favorite tactic of the "left"--they take their tactics right out of the communist, Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. The reason why they HATE President Trump is because he is a staunch supporter of the middle class. He learned from his dad to always support the middle class as a way to protect democratic freedom. His dad was one of the first builders to build middle class housing in NYC. Before that, those who were building there were building exclusive housing for the wealthy elites. And the poor of NYC were living in deplorable conditions. Many of them were able to move up to middle class housing, when it became available.



Yes--the mainstream media in the West is controlled by six corporations (really only five because two of them are majority owned by the Sumner Redstone family). They are: 1) General Electric whose media properties include Comcast; NBC News and MSNBC; Universal Pictures and Focus Features 2) Newscorp which, in turn, owns Fox News; The Wall Street Journal; The New York Post 3) Time-Warner which owns CNN; HBO; Time-Warner Communications 4) Disney Corporation which owns ABC News; ESPN; Pixar Entertainment; Miramax Studios and Marvel Entertainment 5) Viacom which owns MTV and Nickelodeon; BET; CMT and Paramount Pictures 6) CBS which owns Showtime Entertainment; the Smithsonian Cable Channel; NFL.com and 60 Minutes. (The last two corporations, CBS (#6) and Viacom (#5) are majority owned by the extremely wealthy Sumner Redstone family.) All of these corporations are majority owned by super-wealthy elites. These same corporations also own publishing houses and small local newspaper chains along with many, many other media outlets including "talk radio". Over 90 per cent of what we see, hear and read is controlled by the same small group of people. They trade media properties back and forth so this list may not be entirely up-to-date. There is a similar concentration of media ownership throughout the world--especially in Europe.

When the President of ABC News said a number of years ago, that he saw nothing wrong in shaping the news to reflect the preference of the owners of the media, it spelled the death knell for objective reporting of the news. In the past, there was always supposed to be a very CLEAR line between the news (objectivity was the ideal) and the opinions of the owner/publishers. No more. Political opinion is now openly part of the content of the news.

 

[Soverign Grace]

You seem like you've done your homework. You chose a good word: "seducing" is indeed what happens. We're all vulnerable, but where the evil one seems to focus most of his energies is on those in leadership positions, because if he can mislead the shepherd, the shepherd can then mislead the flock. Look at Rick Warren - he was apparently seduced by power when he was asked to be on the CFR - an allegedly evil organization.

I'm unsure what you mean about the leftists focusing their hatred on the middle class and the right focuses on the poor? But I see exactly how the "unseens" manipulate the stooges like Oz behind the curtain. I'm surprised that you knew about the news being owned by six corporations - that is why I don't listen to any news stations. I always read alternative news - and even then carefully.

I knew about Snopes denying that Hitler used the slogan "Make Germany Great Again."

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I know what the left is doing to Trump but I believe that many are unwitting fools just following the pied piper leftists, not really looking beyond the sideshow to the fact that the Hegelian Dialectic is being played on us. The elite have pit us against one another, and we don't notice the pattern that is played on us time and again. I used to support Trump until I saw that he was lying to the American people. He is keeping us busy with "bread and circus" and all the bombastic shows of Mueller, the border crisis, the fights with Pelosi etc. While the American people are watching Trump's sideshow, they're not paying attention to the fact that he is fulfilling the left's agenda. He has continued to fund Planned Parenthood, continues to allow thousands of illegals to resettle in America, signed gun-control legislation, continued with the U.N. takeover of American education, and continued the bloody wars, Trump is no Christian. The show of all the leftists against him is just that: a show. The leftists are stooges made to stir up hatred against Trump, while the elite are the puppet-masters deceiving Christians to think that all these people are against Trump and it stirs us up to defend him. It's all a show meant to deceive us to keep us preoccupied and confused as Trump moves the country into the North American Union just as his masters, the illuminati want.

The story is put out in circulation that Trump is for the middle class. Trump is elite and hobnobbed with Clintons, and other elites for years. I don't believe for a moment that he concerns himself with the middle class. If you read some of the stories you'll see just what is in Trump's heart. Trump's casino in Atlantic City wanted to expand and an older black woman's house was in his way. Trump bullied her to try to get her house. Are they really the actions of one concerned for the less fortunate? Hardly. We're warned in Scripture about evil people appearing as an angel of light but I see far too many Christians looking the other way and/ or making excuses for Trump as he lies or does something contrary to what candidate -Trump said he would do. Christians are in denial or experiencing cognitive dissonance.

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I'm just surprised at how many Christians are being deceived. We have to watch for patterns.

Trump is a Freemason and says it right on video. Freemasonry is the occult. I'm shocked that so many Christians are clueless about this.

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Hollyweird is mostly owned by the occult elite. You see the stars all pushing satanism. Madonna's latest video was reeking with occult images: she wore a cloak with an upside down cross, had one eye covered, and walked down the stairs imitating Freemasonry. I read that some believers think that there was a warning in her video that the elite have something planned. I think we're going to continue to see false flags - pre-planned shootings to claim that we need to disarm the citizens.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

I'm unsure what you mean about the leftists focusing their hatred on the middle class and the right focuses on the poor? But I see exactly how the "unseens" manipulate the stooges like Oz behind the curtain. I'm surprised that you knew about the news being owned by six corporations - that is why I don't listen to any news stations. I always read alternative news - and even then carefully.

Karl Marx said that the "bourgeoisie" (the middle class) must eventually disappear Communist Manifesto (Chapter 2)
Every communist since then has justified it because they wrongly felt that the middle class was an impediment. That is why all communist schemes eventually fail--because in attacking the middle class, they undercut the very backbone of civilization. It leaves the poor easily manipulated workers at the mercy of their pitiless communist leaders. Eventually, the whole system comes crashing down because production always falls far behind what is needed to maintain a decent standard of living when you work against the productive middle classes. The Russians used to have a wry saying when they were under communism: "The people pretend to work and the government pretends to pay us."

I knew about Snopes denying that Hitler used the slogan "Make Germany Great Again."

Hitler never used it as a political slogan although he might have said it in passing. Even if he did, why does that make President Trump suspect? I haven't noticed that Trump has done ANYTHING even remotely reminiscent of Hitler's actions.

He has continued to fund Planned Parenthood, continues to allow thousands of illegals to resettle in America...

He has tried to stop the funding of Planned Parenthood, but the leftist Democrats in Congress always make sure that the funding for PP is part of a larger spending bill that jeopardizes the entire funding of the government should Trump veto it. They did the same thing to Ronald Reagan whose "wish list" always included a "line item veto" which Congress would never give to him.

...signed gun-control legislation...

The greatest insurance against gun control is the conservative Supreme Court justices Trump has nominated and fought to confirm.

...is decriminalizing sodomy worldwide

How is Trump responsible for that? Are you in favor of homosexuals being jailed or thrown off of roofs?

...continued with the U.N. takeover of American education...

He is just one man. The liberals who control public education throughout the West are mostly committed to the U.N. mandates concerning education. He can't fight everyone in the educational establishment...

...and continued the bloody wars...

He promised to end ISIS in the M.E. and ISIS has nothing more than a token presence in the M.E.--there are very few Americans engaged in military action at this time...

...Trump is no Christian...

How do you know that?

The show of all the leftists against him is just that: a show.

Much of the hatred from the left is hate manufactured by the leftist media--and it IS a show. They are trying to get up support for the Democrats.

Trump moves the country into the North American Union...

Just the opposite is true. Mexico has been told, in no uncertain terms that they must respect the sovereignty of the U.S. or there will be economic repercussions. They are now cooperating on stemming the tide of illegal immigrants. As for Canada--it has always been an economic colony of the U.S. and will continue, in that vein, in spite of the Marxist (Justin Trudeau) Prime Minister that Canada has at the moment.

The story is put out in circulation that Trump is for the middle class.

No, that is actually true.

Trump is elite and hobnobbed with Clintons, and other elites for years.

Why do you think the elites hate him so much? They consider him to be a "traitor" to their globalist plans. The virulence of their attacks through the media which they own is NOT just a show.

Trump's casino in Atlantic City wanted to expand and an older black woman's house was in his way. Trump bullied her to try to get her house...

That story was mostly a lie. It was greatly exaggerated by his enemies.

We're warned in Scripture about evil people appearing as an angel of light...

No--it is actually Satan who can appear as an angel of light and unless you are suggesting that Trump is the Antichrist, I see nowhere to go with that accusation.

...but I see far too many Christians looking the other way and/or making excuses for Trump as he lies or does something contrary to what candidate -Trump said he would do...

I don't think any Christian is blind to the very human individual he is. What President has ever been morally perfect--name one. Kennedy was a notorious womanizer, so was LBJ (who, more importantly, also did a lot of damage to the country). Eisenhower warned the people about the "Military-Industrial-Complex" as he was leaving office but there is no sign that he tried to do anything about it while in office. And so it goes. President Trump is at least trying to do something against the destruction that Obama and his minions did to the country.

Trump is a Freemason and says it right on video. Freemasonry is the occult. I'm shocked that so many Christians are clueless about this.

He was raised Presbyterian--do you know how many Presbyterian churches are infected with Freemasonry? It doesn't mean that Trump worships Satan. Anyone below the level of 33rd degree is pretty clueless about what goes on at the highest levels of the organization. I'm told that the highest levels are beyond the 60th degree, although there is officially only 33 degrees.

Hollyweird is mostly owned by the occult elite. You see the stars all pushing satanism. Madonna's latest video was reeking with occult images: she wore a cloak with an upside down cross, had one eye covered, and walked down the stairs imitating Freemasonry. I read that some believers think that there was a warning in her video that the elite have something planned. I think we're going to continue to see false flags - pre-planned shootings to claim that we need to disarm the citizens.

Yes, that part is true.