Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Eternally Grateful]

youre funny!

You have still refused to go over the passages I gave you. and answer the question I posed in them

so your deceptive and trying to push it back on me to take the responsibility and accountability off you

 

[Eternally Grateful]

maybe I missed something, I will have a better look.

here let me help

show me where Jesus or paul said works are required?

John 1: 12. But AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave the right to become children, even TO THEM WHO BELIEVE (no works)

John 3, FOR God so loved the world he gave his only son that WHOEVER BELIEVES (trusts) in him will NEVER PERISH, and LIVE FOREVER (eternal life) for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who BELIEVES is NOT CONDEMNED, he who does not believe is condemned already (no works)

John 4: 13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will NEVER THIRST. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into EVERLASTING LIFE” (no works)

John 5: 24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he whoever HEARS MY WORD and BELIEVES IN HIM WHO SENT ME who sent Me HAS ETERNAL LIFE and SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT but HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE (No works)

John 6: 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. HE WHO COMES TO ME shall NEVER HUNGER and he who BELIEVES IN ME shall NEVER THIRST (NO WORKS)

John 6: 37: and THE ONE WHO COMES TO ME I WILL BY NO MEANS CAST OUT 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, thatof all He has given Me I SHAL LOSE NOTHING, but SHOULD RAISE IT UP ON THE LAST DAY. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that EVERYONE WHO SEES AND BELIEVES IN HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE AND I WILL (NOT MIGHT) RAISE HIM ON THE LAST DAY (NO WORKS)

John 6: 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that THAT ONE MAY EAT OF IT AND NOT DIE 51 am the living bread which came down from heaven. IF ANYONE EATS THIS BREAD HE WILL LIVE FOREVER (NO WORKS)

John 6: 63 It is the SPIRIT WHO GIVES LIFE ; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK to you ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE (SIGNIFYING THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN, THE FLESH AND BOOD ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPOKE. NOT THE PHYSICAL FOOD OR WORKS,)

EPH 1: 13 In Him YOU ALSO TRUSTED , after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also ,HAVING BELIEVED YOU WERE SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE 14 who IS THE GAURANTEE OF OUR INHERITANCE until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

THE INHERITANCE HE SAID WE ALREADY HAD IN THE 1ST 12 VERSES. (AGAIN, NO WORKS)

eph 2: 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses,MADE US ALIVE together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and RAISED US UP TOGETHER , and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED (A COMPLETED ACTION) THROUGH FAITH , (AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED) and that NOT OF YOURSELVES ; it IS THE GIFT OF GOD, 9 NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST (NO WORKS)

rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS (AGAIN NO WORKS. PERIOD)

rom 4: 16 Therefore IT IF OF FAITH THAT IT MAY BE ACCORDING TO GRACE , so that THE PROMISE MAY BE SURE TO ALL THE SEED not only to those who are of the law, but also TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , who is the father of us all (AGAIN, NO WORKS, IT IS OF GRACE THROUGH FAITH)

Rom 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but ALSO FOR US, IT SHALL BE IMPUTED TO US WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WHO RAISED UP JESUS OUR LORD FROM THE DEAD , 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was RAISED BECAUSE OF OUR JUSTIFICATION (AGAIN NO WORKS)

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE.But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK (AS i HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIME, GRACE + WORKS = WORKS.. GRACE AND WORKS CAN NOT MIX IN THE AREA OF SALVATION. ITS LIKE MIXING OIL AND WATER)

2 Tim 1: 9 who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN (AGAIN, NO WORKS. BUT GRACE)

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED USthrough the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE
(AGAIN, NO QUESTION HERE. PAUL LEAVES NO QUESTION. NO GOOD DEED CAN SAVE US,. WE ARE SAVED BY GODS MERCY, AND GIVEN THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE. WHICH IS PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

Titus 1: 2 in HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE which GOD WHO CAN NOT LIE PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

this is what our faith is in, the grace and mercy of God. not our deeds.

 

[LoveYeshua]

I have solved the contradictions. I have made both my verses and your verses come to agreement by putting them in context.

Here I will give you the opportunity to show me where any works are required in the gospel according to Jesus and Paul

can you tell me where works are required in these passages, and better yet. why did paul adamantly apposes that grace and works can be mixed when it comes to being saved? I will in a separate post following this one!

John 1: 12. But AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave the right to become children, even TO THEM WHO BELIEVE (no works) what does to recieve him means to you? it it clear that if you recieves someone words you will do as jesus our creator and saviour to whom we owe everything ask us to do, and what did he asked us to do?

John 3, FOR God so loved the world he gave his only son that WHOEVER BELIEVES (trusts) in him will NEVER PERISH, and LIVE FOREVER (eternal life) for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who BELIEVES is NOT CONDEMNED, he who does not believe is condemned already (no works)

same as before believing or recieving in someone also means to do as he asks?
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

works does not save us but but demonstrated out faith, whthout this we are dead in Christ, Jesus had parables that said the same things, do you know which ones or have you forgotten?

John 4: 13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will NEVER THIRST. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into EVERLASTING LIFE” (no works)

Drinking this water is a work in itself, but it entails to put in practice the teachings if Jesus, always!

John 5: 24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he whoever HEARS MY WORD and BELIEVES IN HIM WHO SENT ME who sent Me HAS ETERNAL LIFE and SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT but HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE (No works)

you see no works here becaise it is a versre only and does not contain the full meaning of what jesus was teaching, you use a strong pauline bias in your conclusion.

John 6: 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. HE WHO COMES TO ME shall NEVER HUNGER and he who BELIEVES IN ME shall NEVER THIRST (NO WORKS)

John 6: 37: and THE ONE WHO COMES TO ME I WILL BY NO MEANS CAST OUT 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, thatof all He has given Me I SHAL LOSE NOTHING, but SHOULD RAISE IT UP ON THE LAST DAY. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that EVERYONE WHO SEES AND BELIEVES IN HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE AND I WILL (NOT MIGHT) RAISE HIM ON THE LAST DAY (NO WORKS)

John 6: 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that THAT ONE MAY EAT OF IT AND NOT DIE 51 am the living bread which came down from heaven. IF ANYONE EATS THIS BREAD HE WILL LIVE FOREVER (NO WORKS)

John 6: 63 It is the SPIRIT WHO GIVES LIFE ; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK to you ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE (SIGNIFYING THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN, THE FLESH AND BOOD ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPOKE. NOT THE PHYSICAL FOOD OR WORKS,)

same problem again, I will write a new thread that will explain why works are necessary, you will not like it, i will let you knoe when it is finished will you dare look?

EPH 1: 13 In Him YOU ALSO TRUSTED , after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also ,HAVING BELIEVED YOU WERE SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE 14 who IS THE GAURANTEE

If we listen to Jesus yes

OF OUR INHERITANCE until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

THE INHERITANCE HE SAID WE ALREADY HAD IN THE 1ST 12 VERSES. (AGAIN, NO WORKS)

the no works is your interpertation based on a few verses only and ignoring the rest of scripture everything must be seem as a whole and not only some parts.

eph 2: 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses,MADE US ALIVE together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and RAISED US UP TOGETHER , and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED (A COMPLETED ACTION) THROUGH FAITH , (AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED) and that NOT OF YOURSELVES ; it IS THE GIFT OF GOD, 9 NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST (NO WORKS)
od and was about to put his son to death but was stopped, see, it is by works that you prove your faith!!

THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS (AGAIN NO WORKS. PERIOD)

rom 4: 16 Therefore IT IF OF FAITH THAT IT MAY BE ACCORDING TO GRACE , so that THE PROMISE MAY BE SURE TO ALL THE SEED not only to those who are of the law, but also TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , who is the father of us all (AGAIN, NO WORKS, IT IS OF GRACE THROUGH FAITH)

Rom 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but ALSO FOR US, IT SHALL BE IMPUTED TO US WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WHO RAISED UP JESUS OUR LORD FROM THE DEAD , 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was RAISED BECAUSE OF OUR JUSTIFICATION (AGAIN NO WORKS)

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE.But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK (AS i HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIME, GRACE + WORKS = WORKS.. GRACE AND WORKS CAN NOT MIX IN THE AREA OF SALVATION. ITS LIKE MIXING OIL AND WATER)

2 Tim 1: 9 who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN (AGAIN, NO WORKS. BUT GRACE)

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED USthrough the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE
(AGAIN, NO QUESTION HERE. PAUL LEAVES NO QUESTION. NO GOOD DEED CAN SAVE US,. WE ARE SAVED BY GODS MERCY, AND GIVEN THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE. WHICH IS PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

Titus 1: 2 in HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE which GOD WHO CAN NOT LIE PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

paul is again saying things yo do not undertsand, i will stop here and my previous answer does stand I was correct and I will prove why you need works.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

he who believes in Me will live even if he dies

Now, all ya gotta do is define "believe" according to God's definition.

Those that actually believe abide in Christ.

Those that don't, don't and are no longer saved.

 

[LoveYeshua]

@Eternally Grateful

Here is the post I wrote for your benefit, hoping your understanding will increase;

Teachings on Faith and Works According to Jesus and James

Teachings on Faith and Works According to Jesus and James Many today believe that faith alone is enough for salvation, and that works — our actions — do not matter. But when we listen to the voice of Jesus and the teaching of James, the brother of Jesus, we learn the truth: faith without works...

www.christianityboard.com

 

[Kokyu]

Now, all ya gotta do is define "believe" according to God's definition.

Those that actually believe abide in Christ.

Those that don't, don't and are no longer saved.

There's no such thing as "no longer saved." See my past posts in this thread. Consider also: Hebrews 13:5, John 10:28-29 and Romans 8:38-39.

Salvation is a work of God that is performed upon the one trusting in Christ as Savior and yielding to him as Lord. In no way does the one being saved contribute to their salvation (Eph. 2:8-9; 2 Ti. 1:9; Ti. 3:5). All they can do is put themselves in position to be saved by the Savior. And what he does in saving a person cannot be undone by them. His love, saving grace and power is far, far greater than their faithlessness and sin, you see (Ro. 5:20; Lu. 15:20-24). What's more, God the Father only accepts those who are made perfect in Christ. It is solely Christ's perfection that makes anyone acceptable to God and no faithlessness or sin on the part of the Christian can undo, or exceed, Christ's perfection. When they, by faith, "put on Christ" (Ro. 13:14; Ga. 3:27) they are forever clothed in him, in the everlasting life that he is (1 Jn. 5:11-12; Jn. 3:16), and in the perfect redemption, justification and sanctification that he is, also (1 Co. 1:30). And being in him, "clothed" in his unalterable perfection, means they are always, eternally accepted by God the Father.

So, no there's no such thing as "no longer saved." To think otherwise is to make oneself equal with Christ, a co-Savior with him, which is obvious blasphemy.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

same as before believing or recieving in someone also means to do as he asks?
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

works does not save us but but demonstrated out faith, whthout this we are dead in Christ, Jesus had parables that said the same things, do you know which ones or have you forgotten?

you have james and paul apposed to each other

Drinking this water is a work in itself, but it entails to put in practice the teachings if Jesus, always!

But it gives eternal life. meaning the person who drinks will not die

you see no works here becaise it is a versre only and does not contain the full meaning of what jesus was teaching, you use a strong pauline bias in your conclusion.

No. I used the words spoken.

same problem again, I will write a new thread that will explain why works are necessary, you will not like it, i will let you knoe when it is finished will you dare look?

If we listen to Jesus yes

the no works is your interpertation based on a few verses only and ignoring the rest of scripture everything must be seem as a whole and not only some parts.

show me a work in that passage. show me one work

notice. faith is not a work.

paul is again saying things yo do not undertsand, i will stop here and my previous answer does stand I was correct and I will prove why you need works.

lol. Paul said if it is of grace it is not of works. otherwise grace is no longer grace.

Jesus said whoever believes will never die. and they will live forever.


none of them posted that worksd are required.

But hey, you want to be more like the pharisee than the tax collector. feel free

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Now, all ya gotta do is define "believe" according to God's definition.

Those that actually believe abide in Christ.

Those that don't, don't and are no longer saved.

Faith

an assurance, a confidence,

were is your confidence?

In God and his work

Or in self and your works.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

@Eternally Grateful

Here is the post I wrote for your benefit, hoping your understanding will increase;

Teachings on Faith and Works According to Jesus and James

Teachings on Faith and Works According to Jesus and James Many today believe that faith alone is enough for salvation, and that works — our actions — do not matter. But when we listen to the voice of Jesus and the teaching of James, the brother of Jesus, we learn the truth: faith without works...

www.christianityboard.com

You could not show me one work in my many passages I gave to you. Nor did you evben try to explain them

don;t expect me to do what you have refused to do,

well call that being a hypocrite.

You show me works in any of the passage I gave you. and maybe I will read this

Until then, I have no desire to read what is most likely nothing new. because you have failed to show me wrong

 

[LoveYeshua]

You could not show me one work in my many passages I gave to you. Nor did you evben try to explain them

don;t expect me to do what you have refused to do,

I posted examples of works in the new thread I started it's all there just go and have a look! it's all explained.

well call that being a hypocrite.

You show me works in any of the passage I gave you. and maybe I will read this

Until then, I have no desire to read what is most likely nothing new. because you have failed to show me wrong

it is not a question of being right or wrong but of following the truth of Christ's words and James, since you wont go see it I will post it here also so you will stop complaining and will not be able to say i did not show you examples of works and why we must do them id we follow Christ.

 

[LoveYeshua]

@Eternally Grateful

Teachings on Faith and Works According to Jesus and James

Many today believe that faith alone is enough for salvation, and that works — our actions — do not matter. But when we listen to the voice of Jesus and the teaching of James, the brother of Jesus, we learn the truth: faith without works is dead, and we will be judged according to what we do, not just what we say or believe.

Jesus Teaches That Works Are Required
Jesus never said that only believing in Him with words or thoughts was enough. Over and over, He taught that doing the will of God, obeying His words, and showing love through actions is what leads to eternal life.

He said:
"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.”
(Matthew 7:21)
This makes it clear that calling Jesus "Lord" is not enough — we must DO God’s will. The true followers of Jesus are not those who speak loudly, but those who Obey GOD with their lives.

He also warned us about the final judgment:
The hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.”
John 5:28–29)
Again, Jesus did not say people will be saved by what they claim to believe, but by whether they DID GOOD or DID EVIL
— the proof of someone's beliefs is in their actions.

The Parable of the Sheep and the Goats (Matthew 25:31–46)
This powerful story reveals how Jesus will separate the righteous from the unrighteous at His return. He says to the righteous:
For I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.”*
Matthew 25:35–36)
And then:
Inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.
(Matthew 25:40)
To those who did nothing:
Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels... for I was hungry and you gave Me no food... sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.
Matthew 25:41–43)
This parable shows that doing works of love and mercy is what separates those who are saved from those who are not. The sheep were accepted because they acted in kindness. The goats were condemned for their lack of action.
Jesus Defines What Works Are
Jesus showed us clearly what kind of works the Father desires:
Loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind.
"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind."
(Matthew 22:37)
Loving your neighbor as yourself.
“You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
(Matthew 22:39)
Helping the poor and weak, just like the Good Samaritan did (Luke 10:30–37).
Showing mercy and forgiveness
"Therefore be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful.”*
(Luke 6:36)
"Forgive, and you will be forgiven.”
(Luke 6:37)
Keeping His commandments.
"If you love Me, keep My commandments.”
(John 14:15)
Obeying His words, not just hearing them.
"But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?
(Luke 6:46)
These are the works Jesus values — not empty religion or man-made rituals, but love in action, obedience, and compassion.

The Parables of Jesus About Works
Jesus often used parables to teach that works are the proof of real faith:

The Two Sons (Matthew 21:28–31): One said "no" but then obeyed. The other said "yes" but did nothing. Jesus said the one who did the will of the Father was the true son.
The Talents (Matthew 25:14–30): Two servants worked with what the master gave them and were rewarded. The one who hid his gift and did nothing was cast into darkness. God expects us to use what He gives us.
The Wise and Foolish Builders (Matthew 7:24–27): The wise man heard Jesus’ words and did them, building on rock. The foolish man heard but did not act, and his house fell. Obedience is the foundation of true life.
The Ten Virgins (Matthew 25:1–13): Five were wise and ready with oil. Five were unprepared and left out. This teaches that spiritual readiness and obedience are not optional — they are part of saving faith.
James Confirms Jesus’ Teaching
James, the brother of Jesus and leader of the early believers in Jerusalem, wrote clearly about the same truth. His words match perfectly with Jesus’.
“What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?... Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. (James 2:14, 17)
James then gives examples:
“You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.” (James 2:24)
He speaks of Abraham, who was Justified by offering Isaac, and Rahab, who helped the messengers, Their actions proved their faith was real (James 2:21–25).
James also warns:
“Be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.”
(James 1:22)
And:
“Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.”
(James 1:27)
This agrees fully with Jesus’ teaching about caring for “the least of these” and living in holiness.
Final Words
Jesus and James together teach one clear truth:
Faith that does not lead to action is not real.
Works of love, mercy, obedience, and righteousness are the natural fruit of true faith.
As Jesus said:
“Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away... If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered... By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.”
(John 15:2, 6, 8)
And as James declared:
“Faith without works is dead.”
(James 2:26)
Let us not deceive ourselves with empty faith. If we believe in Jesus, we will follow Him, obey Him, love others, and live righteously. These are the works that God sees, and by them He will say:
“Well done, good and faithful servant... enter into the joy of your Lord.”
(Matthew 25:23)

Let this truth be known:

We are not saved by words alone, but by a faith that lives, loves, and obeys.
This is the gospel that Jesus preached — and the life He calls us to live.


to comment on this post please go tho the thread for it, you will find it here below;

Teachings on Faith and Works According to Jesus and James

Teachings on Faith and Works According to Jesus and James Many today believe that faith alone is enough for salvation, and that works — our actions — do not matter. But when we listen to the voice of Jesus and the teaching of James, the brother of Jesus, we learn the truth: faith without works...

www.christianityboard.com

 

[LoveYeshua]

There's no such thing as "no longer saved." See my past posts in this thread. Consider also: Hebrews 13:5, John 10:28-29 and Romans 8:38-39.

Salvation is a work of God that is performed upon the one trusting in Christ as Savior and yielding to him as Lord. In no way does the one being saved contribute to their salvation (Eph. 2:8-9; 2 Ti. 1:9; Ti. 3:5). All they can do is put themselves in position to be saved by the Savior. And what he does in saving a person cannot be undone by them. His love, saving grace and power is far, far greater than their faithlessness and sin, you see (Ro. 5:20; Lu. 15:20-24). What's more, God the Father only accepts those who are made perfect in Christ. It is solely Christ's perfection that makes anyone acceptable to God and no faithlessness or sin on the part of the Christian can undo, or exceed, Christ's perfection. When they, by faith, "put on Christ" (Ro. 13:14; Ga. 3:27) they are forever clothed in him, in the everlasting life that he is (1 Jn. 5:11-12; Jn. 3:16), and in the perfect redemption, justification and sanctification that he is, also (1 Co. 1:30). And being in him, "clothed" in his unalterable perfection, means they are always, eternally accepted by God the Father.

So, no there's no such thing as "no longer saved." To think otherwise is to make oneself equal with Christ, a co-Savior with him, which is obvious blasphemy.

true Paulinists will never learn

 

[bro.tan]

James said if you keep the whole law. Yet stumble in one point (you do not stumble on purpose, it is on accident.) you are guilty of all.

Jesus told the Judaizes. you want to come to me on your own. be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect.

You have put yourself and those who follow you under law. and caused the word of God to contradict itself.

I will ask you one more time nicely.. Show me in all of those passages where Jesus and Paul gave the gospel where any works are required.

If you can not do that. I will assume you can't and I will move on.. Knowing that I am on the right track. because yuo could not correct me (taking me to other passages do not help.. You have to resolve the conflict. I have, can you?

here I will even repost them for you

John 1: 12. But AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave the right to become children, even TO THEM WHO BELIEVE (no works)

John 3, FOR God so loved the world he gave his only son that WHOEVER BELIEVES (trusts) in him will NEVER PERISH, and LIVE FOREVER (eternal life) for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who BELIEVES is NOT CONDEMNED, he who does not believe is condemned already (no works)

John 4: 13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will NEVER THIRST. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into EVERLASTING LIFE” (no works)

John 5: 24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he whoever HEARS MY WORD and BELIEVES IN HIM WHO SENT ME who sent Me HAS ETERNAL LIFE and SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT but HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE (No works)

John 6: 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. HE WHO COMES TO ME shall NEVER HUNGER and he who BELIEVES IN ME shall NEVER THIRST (NO WORKS)

John 6: 37: and THE ONE WHO COMES TO ME I WILL BY NO MEANS CAST OUT 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, thatof all He has given Me I SHAL LOSE NOTHING, but SHOULD RAISE IT UP ON THE LAST DAY. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that EVERYONE WHO SEES AND BELIEVES IN HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE AND I WILL (NOT MIGHT) RAISE HIM ON THE LAST DAY (NO WORKS)

John 6: 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that THAT ONE MAY EAT OF IT AND NOT DIE 51 am the living bread which came down from heaven. IF ANYONE EATS THIS BREAD HE WILL LIVE FOREVER (NO WORKS)

John 6: 63 It is the SPIRIT WHO GIVES LIFE ; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK to you ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE (SIGNIFYING THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN, THE FLESH AND BOOD ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPOKE. NOT THE PHYSICAL FOOD OR WORKS,)

EPH 1: 13 In Him YOU ALSO TRUSTED , after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also ,HAVING BELIEVED YOU WERE SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE 14 who IS THE GAURANTEE OF OUR INHERITANCE until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

THE INHERITANCE HE SAID WE ALREADY HAD IN THE 1ST 12 VERSES. (AGAIN, NO WORKS)

eph 2: 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses,MADE US ALIVE together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and RAISED US UP TOGETHER , and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED (A COMPLETED ACTION) THROUGH FAITH , (AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED) and that NOT OF YOURSELVES ; it IS THE GIFT OF GOD, 9 NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST (NO WORKS)

rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS (AGAIN NO WORKS. PERIOD)

rom 4: 16 Therefore IT IF OF FAITH THAT IT MAY BE ACCORDING TO GRACE , so that THE PROMISE MAY BE SURE TO ALL THE SEED not only to those who are of the law, but also TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , who is the father of us all (AGAIN, NO WORKS, IT IS OF GRACE THROUGH FAITH)

Rom 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but ALSO FOR US, IT SHALL BE IMPUTED TO US WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WHO RAISED UP JESUS OUR LORD FROM THE DEAD , 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was RAISED BECAUSE OF OUR JUSTIFICATION (AGAIN NO WORKS)

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE.But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK (AS i HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIME, GRACE + WORKS = WORKS.. GRACE AND WORKS CAN NOT MIX IN THE AREA OF SALVATION. ITS LIKE MIXING OIL AND WATER)

2 Tim 1: 9 who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN (AGAIN, NO WORKS. BUT GRACE)

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED USthrough the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE
(AGAIN, NO QUESTION HERE. PAUL LEAVES NO QUESTION. NO GOOD DEED CAN SAVE US,. WE ARE SAVED BY GODS MERCY, AND GIVEN THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE. WHICH IS PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

Titus 1: 2 in HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE which GOD WHO CAN NOT LIE PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

Great verses to quote, but still in all one must focus on themselves as renewing in the mind as well as keeping the Commandments, statues and Judgements. It’s starts off with repentance, that’s one of the first thing Jesus says when he got started in his ministry, Jesus says in Luke 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Paul says be renewed in the mind. But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; and have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness. (Colossians 3: 8-14). These fruits have to be learned and or applied as being a true Christian.

Paul said in "1 Corinthians 6:9" Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Let continue with Paul. Let go into Galatians 5: Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Now Paul said in Ephesians 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.


Now lets understand and reason together, Paul just gave us a run down on condition of sins. People who are behaving in such manner will not inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God, even those who are unclean. Being unclean does not mean a person doesn’t wash up, we are not talking about soap and water. We are talking about defiling the body and the mind, with unholiness or unGodliness.

Last verse, let's go into Revelation 21: 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.