Is it possible to lose salvation?

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Yes, God's Eternal Salvation ( Deliverance from Undiluted Wrath ) Is Conditional On God's
( Jesus Christ's ) Finished Sacrificial Work Giving His ALL-Sufficient BLOOD
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There are, In Biblical Fact, Three Tenses Of God's Salvation ( Deliverances )! Because of Undiluted Grace!

God Will Never forfeit His Own OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!!


Amen.
Hi GA,

I just want you to know I noticed in your post, the one i replied to with the links that almost all if not all bible verses are from Paul, I know Christ did say quite a lot of things that are for us all, then why do you almost exclusively quote Paul and almost Never Christ? just curious.
 
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The unavoidable implication of what you've written here is that you, the "saved" person, is a co-Savior with Jesus. But this is impossible. You would have to be as Christ is, perfect and infinite, in order to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with him as a co-Savior. But you have to be saved by Jesus precisely because you aren't perfect or infinite and cannot, therefore, save yourself (Ro. 5:6-10; Tit. 3:3-5; Eph. 2:1-3). In fact, elevating yourself to position of co-Savior with Jesus is a kind of blasphemy, requiring that Jesus be diminished in the efficacy of his atoning work on the cross, and that you be enlarged in your ability to contribute to what only Jesus could do as the "Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world" (Jn. 1:29).

When, then, you take up the responsibility (and the power) to keep yourself saved, you deny both the completeness and power of Christ's salvific work at Calvary. To think you must exert yourself to retain his salvation of you is to necessarily indicate that his saving work was insufficient, it was incomplete, and so, cannot keep you saved. In order for it to be complete, to be fully efficacious, you must add your own "faith, obedience, and perseverance" to Christ's atonement on the cross. But nowhere does Scripture ever indicate this but, instead, confirms again and again, that Christ's atonement on the cross was perfect, once for all, entirely satisfying God's holy justice and needing no further contribution from us (He. 7-10:22; Ro. 5; 1 Pe. 1:1-8).


All of these passages were issued to Jews under the Old Covenant and thus according to the standards and means therein. For example, nowhere in the entire Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5-7 does Jesus ever speak of his atoning, reconciling, justifying work at Calvary, the indwelling and empowering Holy Spirit, or direct, personal adoption into God's family. He just sets out an impossible standard for the Old Covenant Jews, one they already knew they could never achieve, preparing them for the "new and living way" he would accomplish through himself at the cross. So its a non-starter to use the passages you have above as grounds for your works-salvation error. This is particularly evident in light of what Jesus said to the Twelve (or eleven, actually) in John 15:4-5. Without the power of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ (Ro. 8:9), no one can do anything - certainly not fulfill Matthew 5:48, which is the standard God has set out for all who would be His own.

I haven't time right now to deal with the rest of your post, but it suffers from similar issues of interpretation.
show me where Christ is expecting absolute perfection, you wont find this, if God gave us the ten commandments , the covenant also refereed as the Moral law it is because we can and should put them in application, do you expect a newborn child to be able to walk or play the piano at birth? do you think God does not know there is a learning curve to all this?

if you look at the commandments they are not a burden but they serve as a compass for us to know what is right and wrong, as simple as that. As well, Jesus did explain these commandments and how NOT to follo them like the pharisees but how to follow them properly, through Love, patience and commitment.

When we grow in the faith and get closer to God, it changes and transforms you gradually. Jesus did promise to send the Holy spirit to those who love him and believe in him.

I will wait for you to "" deal ""with my post in full before I continue and revise your personal interpretations.
 

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Hi GA,

I just want you to know I noticed in your post, the one i replied to with the links that almost all if not all bible verses are from Paul, I know Christ did say quite a lot of things that are for us all, then why do you almost exclusively quote Paul and almost Never Christ? just curious.
Thanks - great question; I believe the wholesome words of Paul Came From His and my Saviour, Jesus Christ!:

"If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to Wholesome Words, even The​
Words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;"​
(1 Timothy 6:3 AV)​
Amen.
 
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Exactly. But the eternal security crowd claims Judas was never saved to begin with.

They have to say that to protect their false teaching about salvation cannot be lost.

If they were honest about Judas, then they would have to admit that salvation can actually be lost and they just can't do that due to their pride. And so they hang on to their false doctrine so they don't look bad to others.
Do you then believe that Judas and the other disciples, including the 70 disciples that were also sent out working miracles, were all these regenerated prior to Jesus' death and resurrection in your view?

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if you look at the commandments they are not a burden but they serve as a compass for us to know what is right and wrong, as simple as that.
No, I disagree.

This is what Paul writes concerning the Law of Moses:

2 Corinthians 3:5-11 KJV
5) Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6) Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7) But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8) How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9) For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10) For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11) For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

The letter kills. The Law is a ministration of death, and a ministration of condemnation. It has no glory in comparison to the Spirit.

If you think to keep the Law, what it will give you is death and condemnation, and will rob you of the glory of the Holy Spirit.

The Spirit gives life. So the question is . . . Are you going to attempt to follow the Law, or will you follow the Holy Spirit?

Much love!
 
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