Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Big Boy Johnson]

you've been lying about me

All those that support OSAS teachings are purveyors of lies.

All you got is the grade school mindset of making wild outlandish claims which is what children do when they know they have been caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

Even 1% sin is still deadly.

Teaching false doctrine is much worse than 1% sin

Notice you had no comeback at all. is it because deep down inside you know I am right ?

The comeback was over your head.

Shall I dumb it down for you?

 

[GodsGrace]

Dance away from this if you want, but you've been lying about me. So there is your obedience. Even 1% sin is still deadly.

Much love!

If 1% of sin is deadly....
WHY are you teaching disobedience to God on this Forum?

 

[GodsGrace]

Like evidently you are?

Notice you had no comeback at all. is it because deep down inside you know I am right ?

Here's your comeback §EG:

Colossians 1:21-23
21 And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,
22 yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach -
23 if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.


Paul teaches that we will be presented to God BY JESUS
IF we hold fast and CONTINUE in the faith.
If Paul warns about CONTINUING in the faith...
it means that it's possible to NOT continue in the faith.


Here's your comback:

John 15:1-2
1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
2 "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit.


Jesus teaches that every branch IN HIM.....this means the saved...only the saved are IN JESUS....
that does NOT bear fruit will be cut off, taken away, severed.


Now, go ahead and twist what both Paul said and what Jesus said to suit YOUR needs
and your desire to accept ONLY the verses you like and not the entire teachings of the NT.

Maybe Paul didn't understand what he taught.
Maybe Jesus didn't understand what He taught.

But YOU understand it better than they did.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Maybe Paul didn't understand what he taught.
Maybe Jesus didn't understand what He taught.

But YOU understand it better than they did.

Ouch!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The comeback was over your head.

Shall I dumb it down for you?

You still have not said anything to show I was wrong.

Just attack

yawn..

Its on you bro. I am secure in my christian life.. My faith is in God not self

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Here's your comeback §EG:

Colossians 1:21-23
21 And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,
22 yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach -
23 if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.


Paul teaches that we will be presented to God BY JESUS
IF we hold fast and CONTINUE in the faith.
If Paul warns about CONTINUING in the faith...
it means that it's possible to NOT continue in the faith.


Here's your comback:

John 15:1-2
1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
2 "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit.


Jesus teaches that every branch IN HIM.....this means the saved...only the saved are IN JESUS....
that does NOT bear fruit will be cut off, taken away, severed.


Now, go ahead and twist what both Paul said and what Jesus said to suit YOUR needs
and your desire to accept ONLY the verses you like and not the entire teachings of the NT.

Maybe Paul didn't understand what he taught.
Maybe Jesus didn't understand what He taught.

But YOU understand it better than they did.

this is a comeback also?

Sorry sis. You want to try tpo show me you are more righteous than myself or anyone else.. You will fail.

Again, John 15 is spoken about fruit bearing. It is for believers. Not about losing salvation.

I am sorry you completely lack faith In God to do what he promised to do (sanctify us) and think yuo have to do it yourself. Good luck!


I am out

 

[GodsGrace]

Luke 11:42
42 “But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

John 13:15
15 For I have given you an example, that you should do as I have done to you.

John 16:1
1 “These things I have spoken to you, that you should not be made to stumble.

Romans 7:4
4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.


When I used "should," I wasn't speaking from God's side, but from ours. God commands us to obey, yes, but the believer is not compelled by God to do so and, often, chooses not to obey. Hence, I say that a Christian should obey God, not that they will obey Him.

I hope you know that Romans 7:4 is speaking about The Law.....not good works.
We are dead to the Mosaic Law.

Otherwise Matthew 5:20 makes no sense:

20 "For I say to you that unless * your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.


After Jesus, the Civil Law and the Ceremonial Law were abolished.
The MORAL LAW will NEVER be abolished and is in effect to this day.

If the Moral Law is still in effect, we cannot say that a Christian SHOULD obey God.
Why is this difficult to understand??
We do NOT have a choice.
We are REQUIRED to obey God.
When we don't it's a sin, we ask forgiveness, and carry on.

Should means we could choose NOT to obey,,,
sin willfully, and not worry too much because we have a choice.

Now, you may be meaning that God does not FORCE us to obey Him.
IF this is what you mean, then I agree with you.
However, the wording you use is not in keeping with what Jesus taught.

Remember that He taught that those that ACT ON HIS WORDS are wise.
Those that do NOT ACT ON HIS WORDS are foolish and will be carried away in a storm.

Being carried away is not a good metaphor to be connected to.
Better to be like the wise man who acted on the words of Jesus and did not get carried away by a flood/storm.

Jesus said:
Matthew 7:21
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.


Those that do the will of the Father will enter into the Kingdom.
Let's let this be an important point.

 

[GodsGrace]

this is a comeback also?

Sorry sis. You want to try tpo show me you are more righteous than myself or anyone else.. You will fail.

Again, John 15 is spoken about fruit bearing. It is for believers. Not about losing salvation.

You're right EG.
John 15:1-2 is about fruit bearing.
It's for believers.

It's about believers BEING CUT OFF the vine...
JESUS is the vine....

Because they do not bear fruit.

Believers that do not bear fruit will be taken away, cut off, severed,
FROM THE VINE.

It's EVERYTHING about loss of salvation.
And it's JESUS teaching it.

John 15:1-2
1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
2 "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit.

Every branch IN JESUS
that does NOT bear fruit
God takes away.

I am sorry you completely lack faith In God to do what he promised to do (sanctify us) and think yuo have to do it yourself. Good luck!


I am out

You know you'd be banned for saying that in another forum.
You may NOT judge my soul.
Just like I've NEVER judged yours.

Stop worrying about my soul
and start teaching what JESUS taught so new Christians will not be lead astray.

1 John 3:7
7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;


Do not deceive.
The one who PRACTICES RIGHTEOUSNES ----- IS RIGHTEOUS.

We are told by John, probably Jesus' favorite.....
to PRACTICE RIGHTEOUSNESS....to practice being right with God.
This is NOT "doing it ourself".
THIS is obeying John, Jesus and all the writers.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

And it's JESUS teaching it.

And then the OSAS folks will claim Jesus was only teaching the Jews and none of His teachings are for us and we are supposed to be following Paul not Jesus

I hear this excuse frequently

 

[marks]

All you got is the grade school mindset of making wild outlandish claims which is what children do when they know they have been caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

No, what I've got are the promises of the Living God, Who has reconciled me to Himself. You cannot gainsay this, it's my relationship with my Creator.

Teaching false doctrine is much worse than 1% sin

Look to yourself . . . you can minimize your sin, you can ignore it, pretend it's not there. I see it in your interactions with me, I wonder that you don't. I'd be willing to bet that you "OK" sins in your own life while demanding perfection from others.

You say that "obedience is required to remain saved", which is plainly taught in the Bible as having begun in the Spirit, trying to be perfected in the flesh, which is "fallen from grace".

Regardless . . . if I consider your statement true, "obedience is required to remain saved", I've seen your disobedience to God's commands, and therefore, by your own judgment, you're toast. It's over.

I expect that you will excuse the X% of sin in your life, and say to yourself It's OK, because I repented after, or whatever it is you tell yourself, but it's still disobedience, and if you are honest with yourself you know this is true.

There is no "worse than 1% sin. Sin is rebellion to God. Sin kills. Sin separates from God. In Christ we are reconciled to God, but you say we only remain reconciled if we are obedient to God. But I think you are fudging about what it means to be obedient.

Romans 4:3-5 KJV
3) For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4) Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5) But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

The one who isn't "working for their salvation", that's the one who is justified. Not the one who is working for it. So where does that leave you?

Much love!

 

[marks]

If 1% of sin is deadly....
WHY are you teaching disobedience to God on this Forum?

Why are you lying about me?

If your salvation depends on your obedience, you're toast! I most certainly am not teaching disobedience!

But look to yourself, because now you've got trouble! You need to be resaved, I would suppose, according to your view. No?

Much love!

 

[GodsGrace]

And then the OSAS folks will claim Jesus was only teaching the Jews and none of His teachings are for us and we are supposed to be following Paul not Jesus

I hear this excuse frequently

I hear this too.
Guess Paul went to that cross that keeps being mentioned as Jesus having done it all so we just get to sit around and do nothing to further the Kingdom of God.

If one cares to read they'll find that Paul, James, Peter - all taught what Jesus taught.
No difference.

BELIEVE IN GOD
OBEY GOD

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Too bad you're not aware that BELIEVE causes one to walk in obedience and those in disobedience are in unbelief having departed from the Lord no longer walking in faith.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

If one cares to read they'll find that Paul, James, Peter - all taught what Jesus taught.

Exactly, they all taught the Doctrine of Christ

 

[GodsGrace]

Too bad you're not aware that BELIEVE causes one to walk in obedience and those in disobedience are in unbelief having departed from the Lord no longer walking in faith.

Right!
I keep hearing about Strong's and "the Greek".

Funny, the Greek doesn't seem to be too important when it comes to the word BELIEVE and what it means
and how to DISOBEY is equal to DISBELIEVE.

 

[marks]

Too bad you're not aware that BELIEVE causes one to walk in obedience

You are still at it. You should stop adding sin to sin. If you are trying to convince me you are obedient to God it's not working.

In reality, mere "believing" doesn't cause anything, it all depends on what or who you believe. And even still, your belief doesn't change your life, God changes you in rebirth.

The fact is, knowing that we are permanently the children of God is what causes us to purify ourselves. It's OSAS that is credited with this.

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

No comment needed. The passage is exceedingly plain.

Much love!

 

[GodsGrace]

Why are you lying about me?

If your salvation depends on your obedience, you're toast! I most certainly am not teaching disobedience!

But look to yourself, because now you've got trouble! You need to be resaved, I would suppose, according to your view. No?

Much love!

I do believe that those that claim we SHOULD obey God...
or maybe not even that...
are the ones that need to look inside.....

Not the ones who state that God demands obedience.

I don't even know how one could be debating this.

Do you not want to ACT on Jesus words like the wise man?

What does this mean to you?

And just to be perfectly clear.
YES...our salvation depends on our obedience to God.

John 3:36
36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

1 John 5:3
3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.

It also depends on our doing good works, which is what Jesus taught.
Here is a good saying of Jesus AGAIN.

Matthew 7:21
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.


Pay attention to what Jesus taught.

Those that enter into the Kingdom of Heaven are those that do the will of the Father.


Sounds like the Lord's prayer.
Jesus is so consistent.

YOU WILL BE DONE
ON EARTH
AS IT IS IN HEAVEN

 

[GodsGrace]

You are still at it. You should stop adding sin to sin.

The fact is, knowing that we are permanently the children of God is what causes us to purify ourselves. It's OSAS that is credited with this.

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

No comment needed. The passage is exceedingly plain.

Much love!

The passage is very plain.

Verse 3 AND EVERY MAN THAT HATH THIS HOPE IN HIM, PURIFIETH HIMSELF...EVEN AS HE (JESUS) IS PURE.


What does this teach?:

We have a HOPE of salvation and will not know we are saved until the end.
Jesus said: Those that endure till the end will be saved.

Matthew 24.13
13 "But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.


This is Jesus speaking marks.
I'd listen to what Jesus teaches.


Jesus also said to be ready, for we know not when the end comes.

Why be ready if we're saved from the very beginning of our walk?
Because it's always possible that we might lose our salvation.

Matthew 24:42
42 "Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming.

 

[GodsGrace]

You are still at it. You should stop adding sin to sin. If you are trying to convince me you are obedient to God it's not working.

In reality, mere "believing" doesn't cause anything, it all depends on what or who you believe. And even still, your belief doesn't change your life, God changes you in rebirth.

The fact is, knowing that we are permanently the children of God

Here's the problem.
WHERE in the NT does it state that we are PERMANENTLY children of God?

Please post the verse.
I can't remember it.

We are children of God IF we abide in Christ.

1 John 2:28
28And now, little children, abide in him, so that when he appears we may have confidence and not shrink from him in shame at his coming.

is what causes us to purify ourselves. It's OSAS that is credited with this.

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

No comment needed. The passage is exceedingly plain.

Much love!

 

[marks]

I do believe that those that claim we SHOULD obey God...
or maybe not even that...
are the ones that need to look inside.....

You keep sidestepping the heart of your claims. Your own personal obedience.

You and the other fellow both have been slandering me, which if memory serves, God commands us to speak truth to each other, so that's a fail. That is, it's sin. So there goes your obedience. Maybe that's why you keep deflecting on this point. Because you already know you are at times disobedient, but that strikes against your assertions. So you are reluctant to talk about it. I completely understand!

Much love!