Is it possible to lose salvation?

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I've explained why already in this thread.

That was false doctrine based on cherry picking as scriptures that say we can lose our salvation of course were ignored.



Nope. It is only to reject your skewed interpretation of God's word that tries to make it say that one's salvation can be lost.

Scripture twisting results in people believing they can live in sin and still be saved which is what the eternal security camp teaches as they love to keep the door open for some sin so they can get there sin on every weekend!

They are the false teachers that turn the grace of the Lord in to lasciviousness

Top reasons why OSAS is not true - The cherry pickers hate these verses! :funlaugh2

Romans 11:21,22
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

2 Peter 2:20
For if after they have escaped the pollution of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

1 John 1:6
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

Romans 2:7-11
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
For there is no respect of persons with God.

James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
(NOT in our own strength - see Philippians 4:13)

1 Peter 1:14-17
As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

John 15:2
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Matthew 7:16-21
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

John 8:35
And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

James 5:19,20
Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Hebrews 10:28-31
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Only those led by the Spirit are the sons of God (Romans 8:14)

2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

If OSAS was actually true, the Lord wouldn't be saying what He says in 2 Corinthians 13:5 and these other scriptures wouldn't even be in God's Word!
 

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This is what is called a facile - and dismissive - response. It's also just ad hominem, which is the typical resort of those whose argument has failed: If you can't defend your view, attack the character of your challengers. This isn't at all persuasive of your perspective, nor is it at all an effective rebuttal of mine. All you're really doing is shielding yourself from views that disturb your own, which is a sure way to keep yourself from the Truth.
yes it is dismissive, since you will not listen. so lets keep it there for now if one day you have a specific question I might answer depending on your tone.
 

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That was false doctrine based on cherry picking as scriptures that say we can lose our salvation of course were ignored.

Again, you should read through all my posts in this thread.

And what do you mean by "cherry picking"? Am I to offer verses in defense of my view that don't actually defend it? No. Obviously, I will cite Scripture that serves to justify what I'm contending for. How is doing so "cherry picking"?

And I notice that you didn't actually deal with the verse I offered. Interesting, that. Telling, even.

Scripture twisting results in people believing they can live in sin and still be saved which is what the eternal security camp teaches as they love to keep the door open for some sin so they can get there sin on every weekend!

This is silly. But it's pretty typical of what happens when an unreasoning opponent of a particular view sets out to characterize that view. What you've described above is what is known as a Strawman of the OSAS view. I can understand why you'd avoid the real, actual OSAS view since no one in this thread has come anywhere close to showing it to be truly in error. Instead, there's just ad hominem, out-of-context handling of Scripture, Strawmanning, non sequiturs and so on.

Romans 11:21,22
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

2 Peter 2:20
For if after they have escaped the pollution of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

1 John 1:6
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

Romans 2:7-11
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
For there is no respect of persons with God.

James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
(NOT in our own strength - see Philippians 4:13)

1 Peter 1:14-17
As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

John 15:2
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Matthew 7:16-21
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

John 8:35
And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

James 5:19,20
Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Hebrews 10:28-31
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Only those led by the Spirit are the sons of God (Romans 8:14)

2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

If OSAS was actually true, the Lord wouldn't be saying what He says in 2 Corinthians 13:5 and these other scriptures wouldn't even be in God's Word!

None of the verses you've offered in the quotation defeat OSAS. They certainly don't establish a works-salvation, saved-and-lost doctrine! Not even close. It's interesting, though, that you just offer the verses as though they speak for themselves in establishing your false doctrine. Well, I don't see your saved-and-lost doctrine indicated in any of them. But, then, I'm not wearing your particular saved-and-lost doctrinal lenses when I read God's word...
 

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Oh? How so? Have you read and considered the very next verse?
The next verse doesn't change anything. If salvation can not be lost then Paul is an idiot to write, "...work out your salvation with fear and trembling". I would think just the words ...work out your salvation...would make your head and make you spite green bile. Salvation is a free gift right? That can't be lost, right? What is there to work out, let alone do it with fear and trembling.

But I'll play along. Let's look at the next verse. "For it is God who works in you to will and act in order to fulfill his good purpose." First it says God works in us, to will and act to fulfill his good purpose. Do we have a choice? It doesn't say he makes us do anything. If we dont have a choice then we can't be doing anything out of love. Love is a free act of the will. Jesus didnt die on the cross because he had no choice. That's not love. Do tou lose your free will when you are saved? The only way way Phil 2:12 makes sense is if we have free will and salvation is impacted by our choices.
 
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If the answer is "No" then Philippians 2:12 is nonsensical.
Notice in Philippians 2:12 that Paul said to "work out" your salvation and NOT "work for" your salvation. When we "work out" at the gym, we exercise to develop our body that we already have and not to get a body. Farmers "work out" the land, not in order to get the land, but to develop the land they already have. The Greek verb rendered "work out" means "to continually work to bring something to completion or fruition." We do this by actively pursuing the process of ongoing sanctification, which is the result of being set apart for God's work and involves the process of being conformed to the image of Christ.
 

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Notice in Philippians 2:12 that Paul said to "work out" your salvation and NOT "work for" your salvation. When we "work out" at the gym, we exercise to develop our body that we already have and not to get a body. Farmers "work out" the land, not in order to get the land, but to develop the land they already have. The Greek verb rendered "work out" means "to continually work to bring something to completion or fruition." We do this by actively pursuing the process of ongoing sanctification, which is the result of being set apart for God's work and involves the process of being conformed to the image of Christ.
I'll give you a B+ for that effort. It was pretty good. If salvation cannot be lost there is nothing to work out or work for let alone doing it with fear and trembling. This was a memorable try though I'll give you that.​
BTW technically farmers work OFF the land​
 
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I'll give you a B+ for that effort. It was pretty good. If salvation cannot be lost there is nothing to work out or work for let alone don't it with fear and trembling. This was a memorable try I'll give you that.
The process of being conformed to the image of Christ is not about maintaining our salvation by works but it does involve the work of the person, yet it is still God working in the believer to produce more of a godly character and life in the person who has already been justified by faith. (Romans 5:1) In verse 13, Paul goes on to say, "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure."

In regard to "fear and trembling," it pertains to a healthy fear of offending God through disobedience and a righteous awe and respect or reverence for Him. (Proverbs 1:7; Psalm 2:11; Psalm 34:9; Isaiah 66:2)

Paul uses the same phrase "fear and trembling" in 2 Corinthians 7:15 in which he refers to Titus as being encouraged by the reception of him by the Corinthians "with fear and trembling," that is, with humility and respect for his position as a minister of Jesus Christ. In 1 Corinthians 2:3, we see that Paul himself came to the Corinthian church in "weakness and fear, and with much trembling" in regard to the huge responsibility and critical importance of the work in which he was engaged.
 

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The process of being conformed to the image of Christ is not about maintaining our salvation by works but it does involve the work of the person, yet it is still God working in the believer to produce more of a godly character and life in the person who has already been justified by faith. (Romans 5:1) In verse 13, Paul goes on to say, "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure."

In regard to "fear and trembling," it pertains to a healthy fear of offending God through disobedience and a righteous awe and respect or reverence for Him. (Proverbs 1:7; Psalm 2:11; Psalm 34:9; Isaiah 66:2)

Paul uses the same phrase "fear and trembling" in 2 Corinthians 7:15 in which he refers to Titus as being encouraged by the reception of him by the Corinthians "with fear and trembling," that is, with humility and respect for his position as a minister of Jesus Christ. In 1 Corinthians 2:3, we see that Paul himself came to the Corinthian church in "weakness and fear, and with much trembling" in regard to the huge responsibility and critical importance of the work in which he was engaged.
What do you mean a healthy fear of offending God??? You can't lose your salvation. You guys want it both ways. It doesn't work like that.
 

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What do you mean a healthy fear of offending God??? You can't lose your salvation. You guys want it both ways. It doesn't work like that.
Prior to my conversion several years ago while still attending the Roman Catholic church, I basically saw God as a tyrant who couldn't wait to punish me every time I messed up and throw me into hell for not being "good enough." That is an unhealthy fear of bondage and insecurity which is not from above! Show me the words "lose salvation" in scripture. Salvation is not probation. Eternal life is not temporary life. Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.
 
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Prior to my conversion several years ago while still attending the Roman Catholic church, I basically saw God as a tyrant who couldn't wait to punish me every time I messed up and throw me into hell for not being "good enough." That is an unhealthy fear of bondage and insecurity which is not from above! Show me the words "lose salvation" in scripture. Salvation is not probation. Eternal life is not temporary life. Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.
Thats a problem with you not Catholicism. Do you REALLY want to do the, "show me the words" bs? You folks believe stuff not in the bible while ignoring what is. If salvation is secure then there is no need for fear and trembling whether it's healthy or not. It's unbelievable with you people. You always want it both ways.
 
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The next verse doesn't change anything. If salvation can not be lost then Paul is an idiot to write, "...work out your salvation with fear and trembling". I would think just the words ...work out your salvation...would make your head and make you spite green bile. Salvation is a free gift right? That can't be lost, right? What is there to work out, let alone do it with fear and trembling.

Philippians 2:12-13
12 So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.

Philippians 2:12
and 13 go together; you can't understand verse 12 apart from verse 13. This is made clear by Paul's use of "for" at the beginning of verse 13. This term signals that verse 12 is conditioned upon verse 13. In other words, verse 12 is possible only because of verse 13; if verse 13 isn't true, then verse 12 isn't possible; if God hasn't first worked into us the ability and desire to do His will, we can't work out our salvation with fear and trembling.

So, then, verse 12 isn't indicating that we should be afraid for our salvation but that, in a condition of deep, awe-filled reverence for God and Christ before whom every knee will one day bend and every tongue confess that he is Lord (verses 10-11), we work out what God has worked into us by His Spirit. Nothing rests upon me except to manifest in my living what GOD has first done in me. I certainly can't keep my salvation by my works. I didn't obtain my salvation by this means (Eph. 2:8-9; 2 Ti. 1:9; Tit. 3:5) and my acceptance by God rests solely upon my being "in Christ" (Ro. 13:14; Ga. 3:27; 2 Co. 5:17; Eph. 1:1-13) so what, then, is there to fear concerning my salvation? It is as secure as God's eternal, unchanging acceptance of Christ in whom I have obtained perfect redemption, justification and sanctification (1 Co. 1:30).

And so, when Paul wrote what he did in verse 12, he was not suggesting that a saved person should be afraid for their salvation because it could be lost. Not at all. He was, in fact, indicating just how secure a believer's salvation is since it is conditioned upon the work of God in them who gives to His children both the desire and ability to do His will.
 
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Prior to my conversion several years ago while still attending the Roman Catholic church, I basically saw God as a tyrant who couldn't wait to punish me every time I messed up and throw me into hell for not being "good enough." That is an unhealthy fear of bondage and insecurity which is not from above! Show me the words "lose salvation" in scripture. Salvation is not probation. Eternal life is not temporary life. Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.
No wonder you believe as you do.
You went from one extreme to the other.

What I find interesting about your post is that the CC doesn't do any teaching...
so I can't imagine WHY you felt this way.
Did a priest teach you this?
Did you do some kind of bible study where you were taught this?

The CC does not teach osas,,as also does not the Assembly of God church or the Nazarene church, or most of the other Protestant churches,
but it also does not teach that not being "good enough" will get you to hell. It teaches the opposite....that we all sin and none is perfect and God love us.

You must have attended an odd CC.
 

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Philippians 2:12-13
12 So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.

Philippians 2:12
and 13 go together; you can't understand verse 12 apart from verse 13. This is made clear by Paul's use of "for" at the beginning of verse 13. This term signals that verse 12 is conditioned upon verse 13. In other words, verse 12 is possible only because of verse 13; if verse 13 isn't true, then verse 12 isn't possible; if God hasn't first worked into us the ability and desire to do His will, we can't work out our salvation with fear and trembling.

So, then, verse 12 isn't indicating that we should be afraid for our salvation but that, in a condition of deep, awe-filled reverence for God and Christ before whom every knee will one day bend and every tongue confess that he is Lord (verses 10-11), we work out what God has worked into us by His Spirit. Nothing rests upon me except to manifest in my living what GOD has first done in me. I certainly can't keep my salvation by my works. I didn't obtain my salvation by this means (Eph. 2:8-9; 2 Ti. 1:9; Tit. 3:5) and my acceptance by God rests solely upon my being "in Christ" (Ro. 13:14; Ga. 3:27; 2 Co. 5:17; Eph. 1:1-13) so what, then, is there to fear concerning my salvation? It is as secure as God's eternal, unchanging acceptance of Christ in whom I have obtained perfect redemption, justification and sanctification (1 Co. 1:30).

And so, when Paul wrote what he did in verse 12, he was not suggesting that a saved person should be afraid for their salvation because it could be lost. Not at all. He was, in fact, indicating just how secure a believer's salvation is since it is conditioned upon the work of God in them who gives to His children both the desire and ability to do His will.
If the above were all correct,,,why would Paul even MENTION working out your salvation?
Why would there be ANY warnings in the NT?

If you want to be IN CHRIST....you're going to have to obey Christ.
If you obey Christ, you will be doing many good works.

And, yes, you have obtained perfect justification and sanctification, for as long as you abide IN CHRIST.

However, Paul said what HE meant in Philippians 2:12 and 13...not what YOU would like for him to have said.
One great thing about the NT is that it states what it means and means what it states.

And, Paul wrote many other verses, not just Philippians 2:12-13.
Paul also thought about his own salvation.
1 Corinthians 9:27
27 but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I
myself will not be disqualified.
 

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Notice in Philippians 2:12 that Paul said to "work out" your salvation and NOT "work for" your salvation. When we "work out" at the gym, we exercise to develop our body that we already have and not to get a body. Farmers "work out" the land, not in order to get the land, but to develop the land they already have. The Greek verb rendered "work out" means "to continually work to bring something to completion or fruition." We do this by actively pursuing the process of ongoing sanctification, which is the result of being set apart for God's work and involves the process of being conformed to the image of Christ.
I like what you said above:

" Farmers "work out" the land, not in order to get the land, but to develop the land they already have. The Greek verb rendered "work out" means "to continually work to bring something to completion or fruition."

Great analogy!
The farmer already has the land.
He wants to develop it.
He wants to bring it to completion or fruition.

If the farmer does NOT develop the land...
there will be no crop...no fruition.


BTW...I don't really intend to be on this thread beyond this.
Too tired of this stuff that I have to hear which is nowhere to be found in scripture.
 
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No wonder you believe as you do.
You went from one extreme to the other.

What I find interesting about your post is that the CC doesn't do any teaching...
so I can't imagine WHY you felt this way.
Did a priest teach you this?
Did you do some kind of bible study where you were taught this?

The CC does not teach osas,,as also does not the Assembly of God church or the Nazarene church, or most of the other Protestant churches,
but it also does not teach that not being "good enough" will get you to hell. It teaches the opposite....that we all sin and none is perfect and God love us.

You must have attended an odd CC.
I was not only born and raised in the RCC but I also attended a Catholic school for 5 years. I've heard similar testimonies to mine from other former RC's as well.

 

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I was not only born and raised in the RCC but I also attended a Catholic school for 5 years. I've heard similar testimonies to mine from other former RC's as well.

It's really a shame Dan.
I was also raised Catholic.
My two children went to a Catholic school from 1st grade to high school.
No such problem as you experienced.
I think it might be the experiences we have that shape our belief system...
but I do believe we should use only scripture since that is what God wants us to know..
what IT teaches.
I had to leave the CC because I experienced being born again and it offered nothing at the time.
Here by me it still doesn't.

Anyway, I'm a little tired of discussing this right now...so I'll leave it at that.
 

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What do you mean a healthy fear of offending God??? You can't lose your salvation. You guys want it both ways. It doesn't work like that.

That's the first clue that eternal security is false doctrine just like catholicism is false doctrine as they contradict their own doctrine! :funlaugh2
 

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If the above were all correct,,,why would Paul even MENTION working out your salvation?
Why would there be ANY warnings in the NT?

If you want to be IN CHRIST....you're going to have to obey Christ.
If you obey Christ, you will be doing many good works.

Have you forgotten what Paul wrote in Romans 7:14-22 and Galatians 5:17? It is in light of the things Paul wrote in these two places in Scripture (and others) that his injunction in Philippians 2:12 makes sense. Yes, the born-again person is given a "new nature" in Jesus Christ (2 Co. 5:17), but the old, carnal Adamic nature still exists and wars against the Spirit within them. And so, Paul has many places in his letters where he explains the spiritual reality in which Christians are as adopted children of God so that they act properly in resistance of the old, carnal nature under which they once lived in bondage (and may still, if they so choose).

But an apple tree isn't an apple tree because it bears apples. A boat isn't a boat because it is floating on water. An injured member of a football team isn't a member of the team only because he is taking part in the action on the field. So, too, the Christian person who is "in Christ," not because he has earned his way to such a condition by continually doing good works (which the Bible repeatedly and explicitly denies is possible - Eph. 2:8-9; 2 Ti. 1:9; Tit. 3:5), but because he has been saved by the Savior and given new, spiritual life in himself by the Holy Spirit. The Christian, then, is an "apple tree" in order to bear "apples" not because they bear "apples." Or, in other words, it is natural that a Christian will bear spiritual fruit but is not, therefore, necessary that they do so.

And, yes, you have obtained perfect justification and sanctification, for as long as you abide IN CHRIST.

I've already explained in this thread why the bit you've added at the end is mistaken, so I won't do so again here.

However, Paul said what HE meant in Philippians 2:12 and 13...not what YOU would like for him to have said.
One great thing about the NT is that it states what it means and means what it states.

Yes, Scripture does this. But simply asserting that I've misinterpreted Paul does not prove that I have. Nothing I pointed out from Philippians 2:12-13 contorts or mishandles what Paul wrote. Now, my explanation of his words disagrees with YOUR view of what he wrote, but this isn't the same as disagreeing with Paul. And so far, you've not actually shown that I've done violence to Paul's words or meaning.

And, Paul wrote many other verses, not just Philippians 2:12-13.
Paul also thought about his own salvation.
1 Corinthians 9:27
27 but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I
myself will not be disqualified.

Yes. And by what means did Paul "discipline his body"? He tells us in Philippians 2:13; 4:13; Ephesians 3:16; 6:10, Romans 8:13, etc.

What does Paul mean by "disqualified," in context? In light of the many instances in Paul's epistles where he clearly located his salvation, not in himself or his righteousness, but in Christ, denying repeatedly that works have any part in how a person is saved, one cannot reasonably conclude that he meant "lose my salvation." From what would Paul be disqualified, then? Well, in context, from preaching the Gospel which he plainly states (verse 27).