Is it possible to lose salvation?

[amigo de christo]

Well your false accusations aside, it was only the blood that was spread on the door posts and lintels that spared people. there is nothing about teh eating of the passover lamb that spared the people. Yes they ate it and it is typical, but has nothing to do with teh blood and sparing of lives that night.

beware and let us all be on gaurd .
For a HARLOT is highly clever
and she knows how to please a man and tells him what so ever his ears desires to hear
so long as he sits under her .
But many know not SHE IS an infected WHORE by which spiritual death will ensue with all who fornicate with her
and drink of her Ecumincal love cup . We better BE ON GAURD big time .
cause i been watching . OH yes i say I have been watching
and WE HAVE us such a HARLOT who has many daughters who sell mama to the peoples .

 

[MatthewG]

Rahab was a prostitute/Harlot who had faith... She is named in the Hall of Fame of Faith in hebrews 11. She was a harlot.


The worst harlot was the cheating Israel nation, who loved the Law more than God who gave them the law. Decided to put Jesus to death.

 

[amigo de christo]

Rahab was a prostitute/Harlot who had faith... She is named in the Hall of Fame of Faith in hebrews 11. She was a harlot.


The worst harlot was the cheating Israel nation, who loved the Law more than God who gave them the law. Decided to put Jesus to death.

She had faith and believed . and i bet after she was taken in by ISRAEL
she no longer praticed such things .
However i was speaking about a SPIRITUAL HARLOT my friend . The very enemy of GOD himself

 

[amigo de christo]

Rahab was a prostitute/Harlot who had faith... She is named in the Hall of Fame of Faith in hebrews 11. She was a harlot.


The worst harlot was the cheating Israel nation, who loved the Law more than God who gave them the law. Decided to put Jesus to death.

Your dead wrong about one thing . THEY DID NOT LOVE the LAW .
THY LAW O LORD DO I LOVE .
They didnt not love the law , NOR GOD who gave it to moses .
THEY said but often DID NOT
That is known as hyprocrisy . AND they often added in doctrines of men
thus making VOID things GOD said . JUST LIKE THEY DO T ODAY .
only when i talk about the they today , I speak of MUCH of christendom .
always hollering WE LOVE GOD and yet darn sure dont LOVE HIS WORDS . that is known as DELUSION .

 

[Marvelloustime]

beware and let us all be on gaurd .
For a HARLOT is highly clever
and she knows how to please a man and tells him what so ever his ears desires to hear
so long as he sits under her .
But many know not SHE IS an infected WHORE by which spiritual death will ensue with all who fornicate with her
and drink of her Ecumincal love cup . We better BE ON GAURD big time .
cause i been watching . OH yes i say I have been watching
and WE HAVE us such a HARLOT who has many daughters who sell mama to the peoples .

@amigo de christo

 

[Behold]

The worst harlot was the cheating Israel nation, who loved the Law more than God

Religious Jews believe that loving the Law is loving God.
In fact they believe they are married to Moses's Law.

Paul says about Law and Commandment lovers who are trying to achieve Heaven this way........'= """"they being Ignorant of God's Righteousenss, go about trying to establish their own"""""..... through the law, or by good works.

Here is how an unbeliever thinks when they think about how to go to heaven, and its the same as how a "fallen from grace" Christian thinks.

"well, if i do more good then evil......if i do more good works then bad works.....then God will look at the good ive done, vs the bad, and if ive done more good, then i get to go to heaven".

That is : Legalism........and Paul refers to this as the "carnal mind" and this person as "in the flesh".

 

[GodsGrace]

The Catholic Church does NOT teach the Protestant invention of OSAS. The above statement in RED is only true if OSAS is true. What the priest told you is a poor analogy. The Holy Spirit is alive and well in the Baptized baby.

It's a good analogy Bread.

I didn't say it well, maybe.

Let me clarify.
The Holy Spirit is alive and well in the baby.
I DID mention the age of accountability.

AT the age of accountability, the child MUST decide for himself as to whether or not he's going to live for God OR NOT.

At this point, the Holy Spirit does become dormant in some sense since He cannot live with the sinful person.
WHEN, if ever, the person decides that he is going to give his life to God,,,THEN the Holy Spirit will resume His function as helper, convictor, etc.

I DO understand your point of how this would only work if OSAS were true...
but, as you've stated, the CC does not teach OSAS (because it's not biblical) so it really had nothing to do with my post to you.

Just to clarify.

IOW, my point is that we have to be careful how we state that every Catholic has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit because they were baptized as a baby.

IF this were true,,,,it would mean that every Catholic is a saved person.

The Bible warns ALL believers that we can LOSE our secure position. NOT because God takes it away - but by our OWN doing.

2 Peter 3:17
Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
Peter is warning the faithful not to fall back into sin and lawlessness.

1 John 2:24
See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. IF it does, you also will REMAIN in the Son and in the Father.
This is an admonition to try to remain faithful.

Rev. 22:19
And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
How can God “take away” somebody’s “share” of heaven if they never had it to begin with? This is about CHRISTIANS who may or may NOT make it into Heaven.

(Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19)

I agree with the above.

 

[GodsGrace]

and that is why you will be decieved .
Have you not heard , have you not read
BLESSED IS HE WHO READS and They WHO hear the words of this book .
BLESSED .
BLESSED and those who keep the sayings of this book .
WE GOT A HUGE HARLOT at work my friend
and as always SHE LOVES to keep the people n the dark

Read the book Amigo.
Don't be scared!
It's really beautiful.

 

[GodsGrace]

Dear Fran, the book of Revelation is a message given by Jesus to His servants so they would know the things that must soon take place. From the beginning, it was not meant to be hidden. When the angel spoke to John, he said, “Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand” (Revelation 22:10). This means that the book is open for all who believe to read and understand its message. But to see the whole picture, we must understand how God reveals truth. In the Old Testament, the prophet Daniel was told the opposite. God said to him, “Shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase” (Daniel 12:4). Daniel’s visions were closed until the last days because the time of their fulfillment was far away.

Revelation, however, is different. It was given after Jesus came, died, and rose again, and after He revealed the mystery of God’s plan. Yet, even though it is open, its full meaning will only be understood when the time of the end comes, because the symbols and events it describes become clear only as they begin to happen.

The Lord said that those who stay close to Him and walk in wisdom will understand, but the wicked will not. “None of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand” (Daniel 12:10). That wisdom comes from obeying God and listening to His Spirit, not from human guessing. Jesus also told His followers to pay attention to the signs of the times. He said, “When these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near” (Luke 21:28). This means that as the world begins to move toward the things written in Revelation, those who love and follow Christ will recognize what is taking place.

so the book of Revelation is both open and unfolding. It has been given for all to read, but it will be completely clear only as the final events begin. Those who seek God’s truth, keep His commandments, and hold fast to the testimony of Jesus will understand, for to them it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven.

yes it contains a lot of symbolism, Revelation uses many symbols, but most of them are not new. They come from earlier prophecies in the Old Testament, especially from Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Zechariah, and the Psalms.

Blessings.

Rick

Thanks Rick.
Revelation contains a lot of scripture that I actually use many times.

There is, however, too much symbolism in some chapters and I just don't think we'll know when the end times are or what the symbolism actually means.

Why?
Because if we knew what it meant,,,we'd all agree on it and it certainly seems that we do not.
Many times throughout history it has seemed as if it was "the final events"...but it turned out that they weren't.

I also don't care for how some make doctrine from the book of, for example, Daniel.

This is just me...I'm not saying that it's not important to study all the books of the bible.

 

[amigo de christo]

Read the book Amigo.
Don't be scared!
It's really beautiful.

if by book you mean bible then amen .
By grace i do
and its really beautiful indeed.
The end of a sheep is real good .
But the end of a goat is wailing .
JESUS wont be DENIED .
And the ecumincal interfaith harlot HAS DENIED HIM . i darn sure wont be seated under or with That bunch .
Using the prescious name of JESUS to DECIEVE this world and much of christendom .
OH i dare say i wont be sitting with that bunch .
HOMEWORK TIME .

 

[amigo de christo]

Read the book Amigo.
Don't be scared!
It's really beautiful.

Common saying that i hear from many is dont be scared , dont be fearful .
IT aint me pushing out the warnings in order to feel safe .
I have my peace , ITS IN THE LORD and darn sure not in man or this ecumincal movment .
They sold us a lie my friend . A fat nasty lie and i do not sit with those who call JESUS a liar
EVEN IF they do dress up in wool .
WE cannot claim to BELIEVE THE GOSPEL and then turn around and DENY IT .
THE GOSPEL makes DARN SURE ONE MUST BELIEVE in JESUS
to be saved , to have salvation and if not DAMANTION awaits .
That aint what i hear and been hearing from this ecumincal WHORE .
ITS Like me saying I BELEIVE two plus two is four
and then i turn around and say two plus two is five . THEN I dont really believe its four NOW DO I .
YOU CANNOT claim to BELEIVE ON JESUS
and then turn around and imply in any way ITS gonna be okay even if one did not . ALL that is , IS NOISE and lip service .

 

[GodsGrace]

if by book you mean bible then amen .
By grace i do
and its really beautiful indeed.
The end of a sheep is real good .
But the end of a goat is wailing .
JESUS wont be DENIED .
And the ecumincal interfaith harlot HAS DENIED HIM . i darn sure wont be seated under or with That bunch .
Using the prescious name of JESUS to DECIEVE this world and much of christendom .
OH i dare say i wont be sitting with that bunch .
HOMEWORK TIME .

No Amigo.
You know very well what book I meant!
The Lamb's Supper
by Dr. Scott Hahn.

I read all types of books (I used to - not much anymore).
They are all a blessing.
No matter the denomination...the truth is the truth.
Each book may have a little something that is specific to that denomination...
but that should not be a reason to be blessed by the rest.

And you keep speaking of ecumenical interfaith.
I don't even see this.
Which faiths do you see as becoming intertwined?

Later.

 

[GodsGrace]

Common saying that i hear from many is dont be scared , dont be fearful .
IT aint me pushing out the warnings in order to feel safe .
I have my peace , ITS IN THE LORD and darn sure not in man or this ecumincal movment .
They sold us a lie my friend . A fat nasty lie and i do not sit with those who call JESUS a liar
EVEN IF they do dress up in wool .
WE cannot claim to BELIEVE THE GOSPEL and then turn around and DENY IT .
THE GOSPEL makes DARN SURE ONE MUST BELIEVE in JESUS
to be saved , to have salvation and if not DAMANTION awaits .
That aint what i hear and been hearing from this ecumincal WHORE .
ITS Like me saying I BELEIVE two plus two is four
and then i turn around and say two plus two is five . THEN I dont really believe its four NOW DO I .
YOU CANNOT claim to BELEIVE ON JESUS
and then turn around and imply in any way ITS gonna be okay even if one did not . ALL that is , IS NOISE and lip service .

Did I say any of the above??

 

[amigo de christo]

Did I say any of the above??

No , but that WHORE DOES and so do more and more all the time that are seated WITHIN the ecumincal movment .
ITS why i been doing all to get everyone OUT OF IT .
the longer they stay in it , THE WORSE in time they will get .

 

[amigo de christo]

No Amigo.
You know very well what book I meant!
The Lamb's Supper
by Dr. Scott Hahn.

I read all types of books (I used to - not much anymore).
They are all a blessing.
No matter the denomination...the truth is the truth.
Each book may have a little something that is specific to that denomination...
but that should not be a reason to be blessed by the rest.

And you keep speaking of ecumenical interfaith.
I don't even see this.
Which faiths do you see as becoming intertwined?

Later.

Most denominations are totally tanked now . most of them were in danger from the get go .
As they added to and took from in order to establish THEIR OWN so called church and so called etc .
But it has grown much worse in these last years .
NOW the decieved seem to grab ahold of this fake love cry for unity and finding common ground .
WHICH leavened them up more and more and more and made and do make their hearts ready FOR THE LIE .
I Seen the deadly dangers in it when they first came in
and began this junk years ago . WHEN the leaven was little , before it got massive .
I warned even then but it fell mostly on deaf ears . THEY GETTING WORSE all the time .
YOU wanna know why one gets worse . Because if ERROR is not corrected , if one begins
to accept or overlook error , HELLO ITS COMING IN and IT WILL LEAVEN THE LUMP .
That is right . Once a man starts into error , UNLESS HE REPENTS Of said error
HE IS GOING to only get worse so long as he reamined IN ERROR. SOMETHIG this generation KNOWS NOT .

 

[LoveYeshua]

Thanks Rick.
Revelation contains a lot of scripture that I actually use many times.

There is, however, too much symbolism in some chapters and I just don't think we'll know when the end times are or what the symbolism actually means.

Why?
Because if we knew what it meant,,,we'd all agree on it and it certainly seems that we do not.
Many times throughout history it has seemed as if it was "the final events"...but it turned out that they weren't.

I also don't care for how some make doctrine from the book of, for example, Daniel.

This is just me...I'm not saying that it's not important to study all the books of the bible.

yes the symbols are something I will study next. I believe most of them are already used in the old testament I will look at them this fall/winter and let you know what I find. it is not an easy task. we just have to remember what is in revelations, once we get closer to the end much will be revealed, I already see potential links to current events and the prophecies within.

Blessings

 

[amigo de christo]

yes the symbols are something I will study next. I believe most of them are already used in the old testament I will look at them this fall/winter and let you know what I find. it is not an easy task. we just have to remember what is in revelations, once we get closer to the end much will be revealed, I already see potential links to current events and the prophecies within.

Blessings

Have you ever noticed none to zero every talk about
the messages , warnings given to the seven churches .
Most dont like that GOD , THAT JESUS , HE warns too much .
But i would like to invite us to see THE TRUE GOD , HIS CHRIST
and HOW he looked at sin , false doctrine and even folks that ALLOWED false teachers to seduce his people .
MIGHT MAKE THEM THINK TWICE
the next time they hear that JUDGE NOT CORRET NOT dung .. GOD is not pleased with seeker friendly
and this giant interfaith ecumincal whore it has led them too . NOT at all . sins are overlooked
and NOW EVEN UNBELEIF is overlooked .
AND if a man dares to warn and correct this people
THE ONLY doctrine they have to bring is THAT OF MEN which says JUDGE NOT HATER , JUDGE NOT

 

[amigo de christo]

yes the symbols are something I will study next. I believe most of them are already used in the old testament I will look at them this fall/winter and let you know what I find. it is not an easy task. we just have to remember what is in revelations, once we get closer to the end much will be revealed, I already see potential links to current events and the prophecies within.

Blessings

For example
Did you know that GOD was quite upset
at a church for EVEN ALLOWING a false prophetess to seduce HIS people .
TODAY its been , JUDGE NOT , STOP Naming names .
WELL Goodnight friend , i see tons of false ones seducing this people . SO this sheep GONNA Expose them all
and their false doctrines .
TODAY if one dares to correct and even hates false doctrine
THEY are told they have no love
BUT this is what GOD told a church . BUT THIS YOU HAVE , that YOU HATE THE DEEDS of the nicolations
which i also hate .
GOD said to a church they were doing GOOD because they tested all apostels and found them liars .
TODAY if one even dares to call a false one a liar , ITS JUDGE NOT .
DO YOU SEE the problem yet . WE BEEN DUPED by f alse sensual love of judge not correct not
and THUS THE LEAVEN was allowed in and TOOK OVER the places . that is exactly what happend .
AND my goodness what would they have thought of JESUS who warend non stop , hollered hypocrites
and even picked up whips .
OR PAUL who warned the church REPENT Or else . i am telling you we have been decieved . I KNOW IT .
most have no idea WHO GOD IS , CHRIST IS , who the apostels were .
MOST have ZERO idea what christendom has lost , let alone that they themselves are LOST .

 

[amigo de christo]

yes the symbols are something I will study next. I believe most of them are already used in the old testament I will look at them this fall/winter and let you know what I find. it is not an easy task. we just have to remember what is in revelations, once we get closer to the end much will be revealed, I already see potential links to current events and the prophecies within.

Blessings

to many todays version of GOD is a love that came of this world .
THAT IS A FACT . they want NOTHING to DO WITH GOD OR HIS LOVE , OR HIS TRUTH .
its all about a senusal love that overlooks all sins and even calls good evil and evil good .
I am telling us all , I never seen a delusion like this one
and my how it has now merged more and more to be as one
AND NOW even with the false religoins too . this is a DELUSOIN my friend . ONLY
THANKS be TO GOD i sure seem to notice THE SHEEP aint buying it . but those who love a lie SURE DO .
something is Wrong . and the more i warn the more they call me the hater who KNOWS NOT GOD
or HIS LOVE .
but it is THEY who know not GOD or his LOVE.
cause the last time i checked CHARITY REJOICES ONLY IN THE TRUTH , not lies , not inquity . BINGO . we been duped big time

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ahhhh, so YOU’RE position is that there are TWO Arks? One here on earth that is lost and probably buries in cave somewhere – and an identical replica in Heaven??

Do you even understand that the Bible was NOT written in chapter and verse?? Each Book was written as one long letter. Rev. 12:1 doesn’t begin there. It begins back in Rev. 11:

Rev. 11:19
Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ARK OF HIS COVENANT. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm.

And HOW is this Ark described in the very next verse??

Rev. 12:1
A great sign appeared in heaven: A WOMAN clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.

Your lack of understanding even the most basic rules of Grammar is glaringly obvious.

Rev. 12:1 begins with the conjunction "kai" (and) which makes it a new thought, not a connection to teh previous statements. Either you know not grammar or you are being insidiously deceptive.

There are two arks, not three. the one of earth is a type of the one in heaven, not of Mary which you romansits conclude opnly through tortuous analogy and human reasoning.

Yes I have known for over 50 years there were no chapter headings and verse numbers in Scripture. But you appear to not know how to apply basic rules of language to correctly understand the sentneces that appear.

Comparisons between the Ark and Maru – the New Ark:
- The Word of God was on Tablets of Stone (Ex. 25:10) placed inside the Ark (Deut. 10:1)
- The Word of God became Flesh (John 1) conceived inside Mary (Luke 2:38)

- "Who am I that the Ark of my Lord should come to me?" (2 Sam. 6:9)
- "Who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" (Luke 1:43)

- The When the Ark carrying the Word of God returned “David was leaping and dancing before the Lord” (2 Sam. 6:14)
- When Mary carrying the word of God came into Elizabeth's presence the baby “leaped for joy” in Elizabeth's womb (Luke 2:38)

- The Ark carrying the Word of God is brought to the house of Obed-Edom in the hill country of Judea for 3 months, where it was a blessing. (2 Sam. 6:11)
- Mary (the new Ark) carrying the Word of God goes to Elizabeth's house in the hill country of Judea for 3 months, where she is a blessing (Luke 1:56)

- The Ark carrying the Word of God is brought to the house of Obed-Edom for 3 months, where it was a blessing. (2 Sam. 6:11)
- Mary (the new Ark) carrying the Word of God goes to Elizabeth's house for 3 months, where she is a blessing (Luke 1:56)

- On the Day of the Dedication of the Temple which Solomon built, there were 120 PRIESTS present (2 Chron. 5:11). The ARK OF THE COVENANT was carried into the Temple (2 Chron. 5:7) and the HOLY SPIRIT CAME DOWN AS FIRE from Heaven to consume the burnt offering (2 Chron. 7:7).
- The On the Day of Pentecost, there were 120 DISCIPLEs of Jesus present in the Upper Room (Acts 1:15). Mary, the Mother of Jesus and the ARK OF THE NEW COVENANT was also present while the HOLY SPIRIT CAME DOWN AS FIRE as tongues of fire (Acts 2:3).

The prophecy about Mary was clear:
Ezek. 44:
The LORD said to me, “This gate is to remain shut. It must not be opened; no one may enter through it. It is to remain shut because the LORD, the God of Israel, has entered through it.

Only the LORD could enter through that gate (womb).

You have mistranslated 2 Sam. 6:9. even you romanist bibles do not translate it that way.
Mary was present, but the Ark was not- it was missing. and your rehashing the same old analogies do not prove anything other than we can draw some similarities. but we can do the same with many other things that do not make doctrine either.

AAs for Ezekiel 44- your misinterpretation of it is not even in this galaxy!!! That was fulfilled long before Mary was even a thought!

NOWERE does it say that Mary is their mother. She is only called the mother of Jesus.
MY mother and a group of relatives could be described as my mother and my adelphoi.

I realize that this is a hard pill for you to swallow – but I have posted the definition of “Adelphos(oi) on several occasions. YOU need to face the FACTS . .

STrain at gnats ro swallow camels. Joseph is generically mentioned. Mary is mentiond as well as four brothers and at least two sisters. go see a third grader to learn this reality!

James, the “Brother” of Jesus (James the Less) is listed as “James son of Alphaeus”(Matt. 10:3, Mark 3:18, Luke 6:15 Acts 1:13). Alphaeus/Clopas was married to the “other Mary” standing near the cross. She is described as the “Adelphe”/kinswoman of Mary, mother of Jesus (John 18:25).

Once again your lack of bible knowledge and lack of grammatic acumen is glaring!!!

None of Jesus relatives were ever Apostles! So the book of James was not written by any of the original 12!

Even you rromanist bibles do not say kinswoman. and here your lack of knowing so little is obvious. At the cross were the following:

Jesus' mother Mary
Mary's sister Salome
Mary the wife of Alpheus
Mary Magdeline.
Once again your reinterpretations fail in light of Gods Infallible Word!!!!!!!!!