Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Dan Clarkston]

I find the narrow gate concept a good description of what salvation is. We are called to keep going through that narrow gate when the open road seems so attractive in this world. Its a sacrifice and its hard.

Proverbs 13:15 tells us the way of transgressors is hard

Matthew 11:28-30
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

It's a snare of the devil (trap) to believe, say, and live as though walking with the Lord is overbearing and hard.

That's what false doctrine produces because those in false doctrine are transgressors so of course life for them is hard.

 

[GodsGrace]

Don't forget the rest - in the NT it is used only of that which is assured by God to believers; it is said of the Holy Spirit as the Divine "pledge" of all their future blessedness, 2 Corinthians 1:22; 5:5; in Ephesians 1:14; 4:30 particularly of their eternal inheritance.

I see no scripture that supports God's saints sinning in heaven after receiving their glorified bodies and being cast into hell. Strange idea indeed. Believers will have incorruptible, glorified bodies, free from sin’s corruption and death’s power. God's saints will live in holiness and victory over sin, reflecting the glory of Christ. The Lord will transform our lowly bodies to be like His glorious body. (Philippians 3:20-21) When He is revealed we shall be like him. (1 John 3:2) At the resurrection, the bodies of believers will be raised in incorruption, glory, power, raised a spiritual body, putting on immortality. (1 Corinthians 15:42-44, 50-54) Death is swallowed up in victory. Praise God!

Yes. I do know what you mean about the arrabon.

As go the rest....
I believe we agree on 90% of doctrine.
That'll have to be good enough.

Having such problems with this site.

 

[PeterAndroz]

That's what all the false grace teachers keep claiming so they can enjoy a little sin in their lives and still claim to be saved and feel good bout themselves.




All who sinned were cast out of the first Heaven which is where God's throne is located.

If anybody, angle or otherwise, could stand in front of God and sin then that would mean God has no power to do anything about it... those believing this are listening to demons.




There is no sin in Heaven




He's been trained to advocate and support the heretical greasy grace teachings at ALL costs so it's highly doubtful he'll ever be able to recover himself from the snares of the devil.




Two sets of angels here.

Those that went with satan got cast out with him, the rest are on God's side and they continue to have access

You did understand that when Jesus was raised from the dead God now has absolute power over any and all evil spirits right?




Read Galatians 6:7,8 - which tells us if we sow to the flesh we reap corruption.

This passage tells us God cannot be mocked, whatever a man sows that shall he also reap.

To say otherwise is mocking God which is how we know the greasy grace people have been taught doctrines of demons because they claim one can sow to the flesh and not become corrupt so they are the God mockers among us, the tares Jesus warned about because they mock God just like their father the devil.

Committing ONE sin makes a person corrupt. God is merciful so He put in Proverbs 28:13 and 1 John 1:9

It's very telling that the greasy grace people teach one should not repent for their sins... they do this because they are pro sin and they like to walk after the flesh and teach others to do the same. They'll come along shortly claiming they are not pro sin even as they espouse their pro sin policies and doctrines




Proverbs 13:15 tells us the way of transgressors is hard

Walking with the Lord is much easier and far more fulfilling than living in sin as a pro sin greasy grace transgressor

Notice how these people always argue IN FAVOR of sinning?




If you aren't enjoying your life in Christ while living in this world... you are doing it wrong!




That's exactly what the reformers believe as well as those having been influenced by the false doctrines that came out of the so called reformation

Especially the calvinists who claim God is actually causing all the sinful things to happen.

They even claim that when a child molester raps a little child God caused them to do this to the kid because they believe little kids need to be molested and raped as they claim it's all part of God's plan. These are sick people who serve satan.

That's what all the false grace teachers keep claiming so they can enjoy a little sin in their lives and still claim to be saved and feel good bout themselves.




All who sinned were cast out of the first Heaven which is where God's throne is located.

If anybody, angle or otherwise, could stand in front of God and sin then that would mean God has no power to do anything about it... those believing this are listening to demons.




There is no sin in Heaven




He's been trained to advocate and support the heretical greasy grace teachings at ALL costs so it's highly doubtful he'll ever be able to recover himself from the snares of the devil.




Two sets of angels here.

Those that went with satan got cast out with him, the rest are on God's side and they continue to have access

You did understand that when Jesus was raised from the dead God now has absolute power over any and all evil spirits right?




Read Galatians 6:7,8 - which tells us if we sow to the flesh we reap corruption.

This passage tells us God cannot be mocked, whatever a man sows that shall he also reap.

To say otherwise is mocking God which is how we know the greasy grace people have been taught doctrines of demons because they claim one can sow to the flesh and not become corrupt so they are the God mockers among us, the tares Jesus warned about because they mock God just like their father the devil.

Committing ONE sin makes a person corrupt. God is merciful so He put in Proverbs 28:13 and 1 John 1:9

It's very telling that the greasy grace people teach one should not repent for their sins... they do this because they are pro sin and they like to walk after the flesh and teach others to do the same. They'll come along shortly claiming they are not pro sin even as they espouse their pro sin policies and doctrines




Proverbs 13:15 tells us the way of transgressors is hard

Walking with the Lord is much easier and far more fulfilling than living in sin as a pro sin greasy grace transgressor

Notice how these people always argue IN FAVOR of sinning?




If you aren't enjoying your life in Christ while living in this world... you are doing it wrong!




That's exactly what the reformers believe as well as those having been influenced by the false doctrines that came out of the so called reformation

Especially the calvinists who claim God is actually causing all the sinful things to happen.

They even claim that when a child molester raps a little child God caused them to do this to the kid because they believe little kids need to be molested and raped as they claim it's all part of God's plan. These are sick people who serve satan.

I asked :-
At what point does occasional sin become a sinful lifestyle.
Use Scripture from Paul to prove your explanation
You replied :-
Read Galatians 6:7,8 - which tells us if we sow to the flesh we reap corruption.
How do you know that DC's occasional sin is not sowing to the flesh ??

 

[Stumpmaster]

Yes, the EARTHLY heaven.

Not the heaven in the kingdom

That never changes

Huh!
Rom 8:18-21 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (19) For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. (20) For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; (21) because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

 

[stevesonthebay]

Proverbs 13:15 tells us the way of transgressors is hard

I agree. In reality what looks attractive is actually what kills you. Its like the moth to the flame. But I mean to this world and our flesh natures the open road looks attractive. We are sacrificing our flesh and life in this world which the world thinks is crazy as it lives for the world.

Its really a life principle. Jesus mentions we reap what we sow. Its a long held truth that if you live by the sword you will die by the sword. Or money can't buy me love. But still our weak natures will fall for the quick fix and some will continue to touch the burning hotplate and never learn.

Matthew 11:28-30
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

I love this verse. Not only does God give us rest from this world and forgiveness for our sins in Christ. But He also teaches us gently the right way and its easy and the burden is light. Thats exactly the kind of teacher needed to get out of the mess of the world. Because otherwise theres no hope.

It's a snare of the devil (trap) to believe, say, and live as though walking with the Lord is overbearing and hard.

Yes that sneaking and pestering devil. Gets in your ear and is always negative. Wants to bring everything down. Or make false promises.

That's what false doctrine produces because those in false doctrine are transgressors so of course life for them is hard.

What do you mean by false doctrine ?. Is that people interpreting the bible falsely. Or making up doctrines about what salvation means based on their own ideas ?