Is Jesus the Saviour of the whole World?

[One 2 question]

Is Jesus the Saviour of the whole World?

Who or what are you refering to when you say, 'whole world'?

 

[Wrangler]

@Episkopos, you bring up a lot of great points in this thread. I hope we can discuss it without the cacophony that what your saying contradicts orthodoxy.

Here is an AI take on my latest podcast episode listed below with timestamps...

The video explores the question of whether Jesus is the savior of the whole world, arguing against both extreme fundamentalist and universalist views by proposing that God's ways incorporate both exclusive and inclusive aspects of salvation (1:48).

The speaker explains that there are two main levels or standards of salvation:
Holiness: This is a higher, more exclusive call for those who are born again and are challenged to love God with all their heart, mind, and soul (2:42). It is a gift of grace that places a higher expectation on individuals (7:52, 24:09). Those in this category are judged by their actions and obedience (8:55, 9:50).
Righteousness: This is a foundational salvation based on loving one's neighbor as oneself (3:39, 4:22). God shows mercy to the humble and meek, and this salvation extends beyond the scope of the church (4:06, 5:40).

I am a highly binary thinker: In or Out; Yes or No; Inclusive or Exclusive. Having said that, I do recognize degrees within each category and would prefer different terms for what you've come up with, e.g., Righteousness being faith based salvation (minimalist) and Holiness being those who acted on that faith to a high degree and should be awarded for it (Award Winner).

The analogy might be, we are all in God's army (minimalist) but not all of us earned medals (Award Winner).

Do you think one can obey the Lord without knowing they are doing so?

One may not know that person X said to do Y. It's more important that one do Y, which is what God wills.

Since when is not knowing someone mean you are rejecting them?

It's a great point and I'm afraid many ineffective Christian apologists make this a salvation issue.

A friend told the story of a girl who was abused. She ran away from home and a guy dropped her off. When the father ran out, the guy peeled out of the driveway and took off, implying his guilty behavior. One doesn't have to know you personally to know that if I found your little girl walking the street, you'd want to talk to me when I dropped her off. And this knowledge transcends whether the Samarian who found her is good or bad.

This is about behaviour...ungodly and unrighteous behaviour. It is about attributes ...not beliefs or opinions of men. Many believers will be rejected so they are not in the exclusive salvation of the saints.

I rely on Romans 2 for those who are not saints but righteous might be saved by our gracious Lord. I used this to comfort by BIL who wife died while still being an atheist.

 

[Wrangler]

Is Jesus the Saviour of the whole World?​

To answer the question of the thread. There is only one way to be saved and that is through the Lord Jesus. So, in that sense, he is the savior of the whole world.

However, this does not mean universal salvation. Everyone goes to him but he sorts the goats to the left and the sheep to the right. This sorting has consequences for one group is destined to the 2nd Death, eternal destruction in the Lake of Fire.

 

[brightfame52]

HIGHLY conditional upon believing and serving Him!

Man because he is dead in sin cant do either until Grace makes them alive

 

[Taken]

Who or what are you refering to when you say, 'whole world'?

Occupants / Inhabitants of “THIS” World…
Earth and Seas.

 

[Taken]

What about little things like God's mercy triumphing over judgment?

For manKIND Gods Mercy Prevails.

Men shall either Live Forever WITH God or shall be With OUT Life and WITHOUT God Forever.

Dead “things”, know, feel, suffer, nothing.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Wrangler]

What about little things like God's mercy triumphing over judgment?

This is false doctrine. Water is both, liquid and clear, at room temperature. There is no triumphing, which is why there is Hebrews 10:31.
It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Proverbs 9:10
fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom.

If mercy triumphed over judgment, there would be nothing to fear.

Jesus, Matthew 10:28
“Don’t be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

God's mercy triumphing over judgment does not apply to the damned. That's why they're the damned.

 

[One 2 question]

Is Jesus the Saviour of the whole World?

Gods POWER is the Savior.
Gods POWER is the Destroyer.

Belief or Rejection…With or Without…
An individuals Destiny is NOT a mystery.

Glory to God,
Taken

Who or what is God's POWER?

 

[Taken]

Who or what is God's POWER?

What…Gods Spirit.
Who….Christ.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[One 2 question]

What…Gods Spirit.
Who….Christ.

Glory to God,
Taken

Got it. Christ the Person of God. And His Spirit (a part of His Person). Like my kidney, a part of me but doesn't have a mind or will of itself nor it's own autonomy.

 

[Taken]

Got it. Christ the Person of God. And His Spirit (a part of His Person). Like my kidney, a part of me but doesn't have a mind or will of itself nor it's own autonomy.

Eh, uh…
God IS ONE Single, Individual, Invisible, Without Beginning or Ending Spirit Being…
With Supreme Almighty Authority…
and Power…
and Creator…
and Maker of All things.

God Has NUMEROUS “Names”, “Titles”, “Descriptions”…

Human men…”Themselves” ARE One Earthly visible individual created and made being…
With NUMEROUS “Names, Titles, Descriptions”.

God Established… HIS Word to be called JESUS.

God Established…HIS Power to be called
CHRIST.

You established your word “on this forum” to be called “One 2 question”.


Context.

 

[amigo de christo]

To answer the question of the thread. There is only one way to be saved and that is through the Lord Jesus. So, in that sense, he is the savior of the whole world.

However, this does not mean universal salvation. Everyone goes to him but he sorts the goats to the left and the sheep to the right. This sorting has consequences for one group is destined to the 2nd Death, eternal destruction in the Lake of Fire.

Correct my f riend .
Its real simple . JESUS is the savoir of the World . And THIS savoir JESUS
always made it clear that to be saved YE must Beleive on HIM .
What we have to watch out for is when men try and bring a concept
about JESUS and yet sure seem to forget THIS savoir also said YE MUST BELEIVE to be saved .
In fact they all did this .
Even paul said JESUS is the sa voir of the world .
But who did paul go about reminding all peoples they MUST BELIEVE IN to BE SA VED . JESUS .
Many t ry and make the claim JESUS is the savoir of the world
and imply this to mean universalism and etc
But WHAT DID THIS SAVOIR OF THE WORLD have to say . BELIEVE ON ME .
and this savoir warned about the d es truction to come upon all who denied HIM .
JESUS is eternal life and to have THIS LIFE one must surely BELEIVE ON HIM .

 

[Episkopos]

Man because he is dead in sin cant do either until Grace makes them alive

Man is dead spiritually...because of sin...but he can still awake to righteousness and love his neighbour as himself. You may know the story of Scrooge...a Christmas story... or even the story of the good Samaritan. What religious beliefs are required to help one's fellow man? Does it matter? The bible is silent on the issue.

 

[brightfame52]

Man is dead spiritually...because of sin...

Correct

 

[amigo de christo]

What…Gods Spirit.
Who….Christ.

Glory to God,
Taken

Christ JESUS indeed my friend .
And who does the one true gospel point to , FAITH IN HIM . to beleive that GOD rose him from the dead
and to confess him .
For it is THE POWER OF GOD unto salvation . Its all about TO HONOR THE SON whom the FATHER DID SEND .
HE who honors the Son honors the Father .
JE SUS is the savoir of the world .
Only what DID THIS SAVOIR say one must do TO BE SAVED .
BELEIVE ON HIM . always remember that .

 

[Episkopos]

This is false doctrine. Water is both, liquid and clear, at room temperature. There is no triumphing, which is why there is Hebrews 10:31.
It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Proverbs 9:10
fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom.

If mercy triumphed over judgment, there would be nothing to fear.

Jesus, Matthew 10:28
“Don’t be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

God's mercy triumphing over judgment does not apply to the damned. That's why they're the damned.

Your answer reveals your own doctrinal bent...that does NOT stand up to scrutiny to the scriptures. So what I show in a balanced way you are unable to grasp.

But the bible says... For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy triumphs against judgment.

Jesus said that the merciful will receive mercy. So you have to add that to your way of thinking.

 

[amigo de christo]

Correct

He who believes on ME shall not abide in darkness .
Therre be only one way and one name by which one can be pulled from the darkness
and power of satan . HIS NAME BE JESUS the GLORIOUS CHRIST .
And one must BELEIVE ON HIM .
If a man beleives not the testimony that GOD gave of the SON he does call GOD a liar
and beleive me his works will not save him . TO deny GOD , to call GOD a liar
is the work and working of satan and of the darkness and of all who loved and made a lie .
This church age needs to seriously be reminded
of how one is actually saved again . Because many have opened up and made the road to GOD
very broad . YET THERE BE ONLY ONE WAY TO GOD and YE MUST BELIEVE IN HIM , JESUS THE CHRIST .
Always remember this . For satan desires the death of all and he cannot free a man from the bondage
of sin and of death . ONLY JESUS can do that . ONLY JESUS can give eternal life
and one MUST beleive ON HIM .

 

[Wrangler]

But the bible says... For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy triumphs against judgment.

Jesus said that the merciful will receive mercy. So you have to add that to your way of thinking.

I have already added it to my way of thinking. Perhaps I wasn't clear.

God's mercy triumphing over judgment does not apply to the damned. That's why they're the damned.

Logic is a powerful tool for us to know what is true. In this case, there is significance to Jesus NOT saying ALL will receive mercy. He said a subset of all, "the merciful." What does this imply those who are NOT merciful will receive?

 

[Episkopos]

I think fundamentalist extremists abound because no thought or balance or any depth whatsoever is applied to the reading of the bible. People tend to get stuck in one extreme view or the other...missing the point of God's word entirely.

Jesus said...Without Me you can do nothing

So religious people will read that as ... no good can come of anyone who is not a Christian.

But that's not what Jesus is saying at all. What He is saying is that without Him nothing ETERNAL can be done...and that is mainly a criticism of Christians...not the world. Most believers today operate in the flesh primarily or even exclusively. So their works will be burned up....and they will be saved as by fire and made into vessels of dishonour excluded from God forever into outer darkness.

Instead of realizing the warning is for believers, not the world, the religiously duped ones will say that Jesus is condemning non-believers in support of the religious egos that identify themselves with all the good sounding verses.

 

[Episkopos]

I have already added it to my way of thinking. Perhaps I wasn't clear.

Logic is a powerful tool for us to know what is true. In this case, there is significance to Jesus NOT saying ALL will receive mercy. He said a subset of all, "the merciful." What does this imply those who are NOT merciful will receive?

I accept your clarification. And neither was I saying that anyone but the merciful would receive mercy from God. God will repay us according to OUR works...we will reap as we have sown.