Is Jesus the Saviour of the whole World?

[Wrangler]

If you don't understand that Elohim is plural and claiming to be one(echad)

It's not about "understanding" but rejecting that which is false. Elohim is singular and claimed it many times. See 1C.

 

[GodsGrace]

It's not about "understanding" but rejecting that which is false. Elohim is singular and claimed it many times. See 1C.

What is false Wrangler??

Elohim just means gods.
Sometimes used for ONE GOD
and someimes used for DIFFERENT GODS.

Oh the wonders of Gemini !
Who needs theologians anymore??

In the Old Testament, Elohim (אֱלֹהִים) is a Hebrew word for God, a powerful plural form of El (God/god) that signifies God's majesty, strength, and comprehensive being, referring primarily to the one God of Israel but sometimes to other deities or spiritual beings like angels, despite its plural grammar. It's used most famously in Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth," emphasizing God as the supreme Creator and powerful sovereign over all creation.

Key Meanings & Uses:

• Plural of Majesty: It's often seen as a "plural of majesty" or "plural of intensification," where the plural form expresses the fullness, greatness, and comprehensive power of the singular God, similar to a king saying "We are not amused".
• Creator God: It highlights God's power and role as the universal Creator, used frequently in contexts describing His creative acts and universal dominion (e.g., Genesis 1).
• Generic Term for Deity: The root El means "god," so Elohim can also refer to other gods (pagan deities) or powerful beings (angels, judges, kings) when the context demands a plural sense.
• Unity & Multiplicity: While grammatically plural, it is usually used with singular verbs and pronouns for the God of Israel, hinting at an internal richness or diversity within His singular being.

Examples:

• Genesis 1:1: "In the beginning Elohim (God) created..." (singular meaning).
• Psalm 82:1: "Elohim (God) stands in the divine council; in the midst of the elohim (gods/rulers) he holds judgment" (plural meaning for other rulers/gods

 

[shepherdsword]

It's not about "understanding" but rejecting that which is false. Elohim is singular and claimed it many times. See 1C.

Elohim is plural and is proven by the parsing of the Hebrew text. Examine this closely (and yes, it was copied pasted) In this case you are rejecting that which is TRUE.



Just stay on the porch and let the big dogs hunt.

 

[Episkopos]

What is false Wrangler??

Elohim just means gods.
Sometimes used for ONE GOD
and someimes used for DIFFERENT GODS.

Oh the wonders of Gemini !
Who needs theologians anymore??

In the Old Testament, Elohim (אֱלֹהִים) is a Hebrew word for God, a powerful plural form of El (God/god) that signifies God's majesty, strength, and comprehensive being, referring primarily to the one God of Israel but sometimes to other deities or spiritual beings like angels, despite its plural grammar. It's used most famously in Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth," emphasizing God as the supreme Creator and powerful sovereign over all creation.

Key Meanings & Uses:

• Plural of Majesty: It's often seen as a "plural of majesty" or "plural of intensification," where the plural form expresses the fullness, greatness, and comprehensive power of the singular God, similar to a king saying "We are not amused".
• Creator God: It highlights God's power and role as the universal Creator, used frequently in contexts describing His creative acts and universal dominion (e.g., Genesis 1).
• Generic Term for Deity: The root El means "god," so Elohim can also refer to other gods (pagan deities) or powerful beings (angels, judges, kings) when the context demands a plural sense.
• Unity & Multiplicity: While grammatically plural, it is usually used with singular verbs and pronouns for the God of Israel, hinting at an internal richness or diversity within His singular being.

Examples:

• Genesis 1:1: "In the beginning Elohim (God) created..." (singular meaning).
• Psalm 82:1: "Elohim (God) stands in the divine council; in the midst of the elohim (gods/rulers) he holds judgment" (plural meaning for other rulers/gods

Yes. Elohim is plural meaning 2 (unless another number is specified). In this case both Father and Son share a name....Jehovah (Yahweh)....the greater and the lesser. (Hashem ha katon)

Other instances that show that the plural means 2....is Ephraim (double fruit) Machanayim (2 camps) Mayim (waters both bitter and fresh) oznayim (2 ears) Eynayim (2 eyes) etc...

 

[Beebster]

No sir.
YOU are the one that believes in two Gods.

No, and for the record I'll say it again, there is one God.

I believe in ONE GOD....
within which are THREE PERSONS.

I know you do. I understand the theory.

Perhaps it would be helpful if you AGAIN explained about how
THE FATHER IS God.
and
JESUS IS GOD.

The Father is God because the scriptures tell us he is God.
The Son is also God because the scriptures tell us he is God.
What the scriptures don't tell us is that they, along with the Holy Spirit, are a Trinity.

So...WHO is Jesus?

Jesus has many titles but to keep it simple, he is the Son of God.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

1-7-26

Hello, you all, how is everybody? We are well, and we are always grateful.

Friday, 12-26-25 6th. Day of the weekly cycle, Tevet 5, 5786 6th. Day of the Winter Season

Psalm 118:1-24 KJV, especially verse 22, Reference Acts 4:11 KJV

Give Thanks to the Lord, for He is Good

1O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: because his mercy endureth for ever.

2Let Israel now say, that his mercy endureth for ever.

3Let the house of Aaron now say, that his mercy endureth for ever.

4Let them now that fear the LORD say, that his mercy endureth for ever.

5I called upon the LORD in distress: the LORD answered me, and set me in a large place.

6The LORD is on my side; I will not fear: what can man do unto me?

7The LORD taketh my part with them that help me: therefore shall I see my desire upon them that hate me.

8It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.

9It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes.

10All nations compassed me about: but in the name of the LORD will I destroy them.

11They compassed me about; yea, they compassed me about: but in the name of the LORD I will destroy them.

12They compassed me about like bees; they are quenched as the fire of thorns: for in the name of the LORD I will destroy them.

13Thou hast thrust sore at me that I might fall: but the LORD helped me.

14The LORD is my strength and song, and is become my salvation.

15The voice of rejoicing and salvation is in the tabernacles of the righteous: the right hand of the LORD doeth valiantly.

16The right hand of the LORD is exalted: the right hand of the LORD doeth valiantly.

17I shall not die, but live, and declare the works of the LORD.

18The LORD hath chastened me sore: but he hath not given me over unto death.

19Open to me the gates of righteousness: I will go into them, and I will praise the LORD:

20This gate of the LORD, into which the righteous shall enter.

21I will praise thee: for thou hast heard me, and art become my salvation.

22The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.

23This is the LORD'S doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.

24This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.

25Save now, I beseech thee, O LORD: O LORD, I beseech thee, send now prosperity.

26Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD: we have blessed you out of the house of the LORD.

27God is the LORD, which hath shewed us light: bind the sacrifice with cords, even unto the horns of the altar.

28Thou art my God, and I will praise thee: thou art my God, I will exalt thee.

29O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Acts 4

Acts 4 KJV

Bible Gateway passage: Psalm 118:22, Matthew 21:42, Acts 4:11, Romans 9:33, Ephesians 2:20, 1 Peter 2:4-6 - Amplified Bible​

The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief corner stone.

www.biblegateway.com

Love, Walter and Debbie

 

[amigo de christo]

I agree that in the Holy Spirit all Christians are one...
whether they agree on doctrine or not.

But let's ask this:
Are we ONE as Jesus and the Father are one?

Did Jesus agree with the Father on everything?
Do we?

Did Jesus always do the will of the Father?
Do we?


Jesus and God are One....
but not in the same way that we are One with Jesus.

Jesus is a divine Person..
we are not.

Yes , in JESUS we now have been given the divine nature . But as you clearly said
That dont mean WE GOD .
And now allow me to remind you of what you already know . B ut what i do is for the sakes of others .
Is it true that the true prophets had the divine spirit by which they spoke . YES .
But not a prophet one ever said Before abraham was I AM
not a prophet one ever said I AM the FIRST and the last .
This people will be held accountable for their twisting of the scrips ON the DAY OF THE LORD .
IT is high time everyone gets back into JUST the bible
and simply beleive what is written . EVEN if one does not understand it
DO NOT twist it . and it clearly also s tates
IN JOHN one verse one the WORD WAS GOD . IT SAYS THAT .

 

[Beebster]

Since when is the dictionary used to explain a spiritual truth?

Since you didn't offer a spiritual truth; you offered an opinion.

Please find out what a PERSONS is as is found in the Trinity.

I can't because the word "Trinity" is nowhere to be found in scripture.

The following is from Gemini.
However the internet ABOUNDS in explanations of Personhood in the Trinity.

I find it odd that that a dictionary is taboo, but "Gemini" is and the internet are "A OK" when it comes to explaining what a "person is.
Hmmmm.

In the Christian Trinity, a "Person" isn't a human individual but a distinct center of intellect, emotion, and will (a subsistence or hypostasis) within the one divine essence, meaning the Father, Son (Jesus Christ), and Holy Spirit each possess full deity but are distinct from each other, defined by their unique relationships (e.g., Father begets, Son is begotten, Spirit proceeds).
They are not parts of God, but are all fully God, sharing one nature but existing as three distinct, co-eternal entities, crucial for understanding God's eternal love and relational nature.
Key Concepts:

• One God, Three Persons: There is one indivisible God (one Being, one Essence/Substance), but God exists eternally as three distinct Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
• Personhood vs. Humanity: "Person" in the Trinity means having personal attributes (mind, will, emotions) but not being human or a separate being; it signifies a unique, subsistent reality within God.
• Relations Define Identity: The identity of each Person is defined by their relationship to the others (e.g., the Son is the Son because of the Father), creating distinct roles without division.
• Not Parts or Modes: The Persons are not parts (like the shell, white, and yolk of an egg) or modes (like water as liquid, vapor, ice) of God, but each Person is fully God.

Examples of Distinction:

• The Father is the unbegotten source, the one from whom the Son is begotten and the Spirit proceeds, representing God's providential care.
• The Son (Jesus Christ) is the eternally begotten Son, God incarnate, sent into the world.
• The Holy Spirit is the one who proceeds from the Father (and the Son, in Western theology) and is sent into the world, symbolizing God's indwelling presence and joy.

Why "Persons"?
The term "Persons" helps explain how God can be love (requiring a lover and beloved) from eternity past, and how God can interact with creation through distinct roles, even though He is one.

Whew! That's a whole lot of explaining just to change the definition of the word "person."

If you want to consider God as a family...
that is fine.

Thank you.

But the family will include:
GOD FATHER
GOD SON
GOD HOLY SPIRIT

The titles Father and Son should make it obvious that God is a family.
The Father is Holy Spirit and he gives his spirit to whomever he will.
The first being he gave that spirit to was his Son Jesus Christ when he created him.
Jesus Christ is not eternal and the scriptures prove it.

 

[JustMe]

Otherwise know as address every point ad nauseum in order to wear someone out. Prepare to have your position destroyed

If you don't understand that Elohim is plural and claiming to be one(echad) then the reason for your misunderstanding is obvious.



The purpose of their Unity pertains to creation and redemption

Yes...it is. It is showing their unity in creation (Let US make made in OUR image) and redeemption

It represents a multiplicity in the Godhead that is declared to be "echad"

Do I need to post this again? It shows that Elohim(plural) is one "echad" YHWH. Look at it carefully:

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It is stating that they are one in the purpose of creation and redemption and require the love and obedience of Israel.

 

[JustMe]

Otherwise know as address every point ad nauseum in order to wear someone out. Prepare to have your position destroyed

If you don't understand that Elohim is plural and claiming to be one(echad) then the reason for your misunderstanding is obvious.



The purpose of their Unity pertains to creation and redemption

Yes...it is. It is showing their unity in creation (Let US make made in OUR image) and redeemption

It represents a multiplicity in the Godhead that is declared to be "echad"

Do I need to post this again? It shows that Elohim(plural) is one "echad" YHWH. Look at it carefully:

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It is stating that they are one in the purpose of creation and redemption and require the love and obedience of Israel.

SW, Elohim is not exactly plural, it is not, it is YHWH actively in the present time, expressing a/his own majestic plurality (plural of majesty) (like when the Queen might say, "we are not amused." She is one person, although she speaks as being many people/persons because of her position and power and influence. When she speaks people listen. What you have been taught is categorically false. Most scholars believe as I do, Trinitarian or not that Elohim is one person and not a plurality of people.

Even if it were so and it's not, a plurality means more than one of something.. 2,3,4........n, not just 3! I hope you can understand this simple point. You have been taught to believe that generally anything that whistles or sounds like being plural, especially remotely associated with God, it automatically means only 3.

And therefore Elohim is not a collective noun either, if you already considered to travel to this dead end. So you cannot forge a fictious relation with the noun Elohim and echad.

(Gen 1:26) God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the sky, and over the livestock, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.
(Gen 1:27) God created man in His own image. In God’s image He created him; male and female He created them.

Let me give you some points to remember regarding God - Elohim. It took me some time assemble and I gladly give them to you.

The Hebrew language and its 'Elohim' usage in scripture: The Hebrew language is a bit complex, and the Greek and especially the English have a hard time translating the Hebrew language into their respective languages.

1. The word Elohim for the one true God YHWH is in a plural form of the noun. It has been used in the OT about 2,570 times.

2. When Elohim is used in a complete sentence, and a verb, an adjective and a pronoun is used to represent it, the subject only, the pronoun, adjective and verb are always singular. Even though any pronoun can be singular or plural.

3. Elohim has more than one definition as a plural or singular noun.

4. In a plural sense, Elohim can mean gods, those in authority. In a singular sense it means God Almighty or a god.

5. Hebrew lexicons give preference to the term Elohim in the plural sense as being rulers and judges as divine representatives or indicating divine majesty and powers. They have superhuman abilities, for angels, heavenly beings and gods, and for people doing divine work.

6. Not one definition of Elohim in Hebrew mentions a plurality within a plurality of beings or undefinable persons. Not one time! gods are individual gods, not composed internally of a plurality of beings or personalities within each.

7. Elohim in the singular sense is the one God, a god, a judge and never any hint of a plurality or a compound of different or same entities with the single Elohim God, god or judge. Even Moses was called a god or Elohim - Exodus 7:1. Pagan gods were called Elohim over 200 times.

8. The Encyclopedia Britannica says Elohim means the 'plural of majesty' the God of Israel. It also says, ‘... When referring to Yahweh, elohim very often is accompanied by the article ha-, to mean, in combination, “the God,” and sometimes with a further identification Elohim ḥayyim, meaning “the living God.”

And further, it states, 'Thus, in Genesis the words, “In the beginning God (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth,” Elohim is monotheistic in connotation, though its grammatical structure seems polytheistic. The Israelites probably borrowed the Canaanite plural noun Elohim and made it singular in meaning in their cultic practices and theological reflections.'[1]

9. Another source: '...It was general practice among the Hebrew people to pluralize nouns when they desired to express greatness or majesty. It is then not a numerical plural. For example: Moses is also called elohim, for God made Moses very great in the land of Egypt (Exo 7:1; 11:3) ...' And further it says, ‘...dictionaries define elohim as a plural of majesty. For example, the Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament says that “the plural ending is usually described as a plural of majesty and not intended as a true plural when used of God.”[2]

Moses was made 'larger' and more powerful that he was capable of being, because the one true God empowered and drove him, like his Son, Yeshua.

10. Deuteronomy 6:4 ...'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one... (Lord (LORD or YHWH)).'

Exodus 7:1 ...'And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god [ELOHIM] to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.'

Did God tell Moses that He was going to make him a 'trinity' to Pharaoh? Of course not. God is telling Moses that He was going to make him 'GREAT' in the eyes of Pharaoh. Which is what the word Elohim really means ... 'greatness' and 'majesty'. Look at how this is revealed in 1 Chronicles 29.

1 Chronicles 29:10-11 ...'Wherefore David blessed the Lord before all the congregation: and David said, Blessed be thou, Lord God [Elohim] of Israel our father, for ever and ever. Thine, O Lord is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in the heaven and in the earth is thine; thine is the kingdom, O Lord, and thou art exalted as head above all.'

This is the 'plurality' of Elohim. It is a 'plurality of majesty', just as David confirmed above. And it belongs to God the Father, as 'head above all' - even the head of Christ (1 Corinthians 11:3)

11. Look at the following interesting quote concerning Elohim and the Trinity:

Review and Herald"... it is certain that the synagogue (their church) held to no such doctrine. Says Mr. Summerbell, 'A friend of mine who was present in a New York synagogue, asked the Rabbi for an explanation of the word 'Elohim'. A Trinitarian clergyman who stood by, replied, 'Why, that has reference to the three persons in the Trinity,' when a Jew stepped forward and said he must not mention that word again, or they would have to compel him to leave the house; for it was not permitted to mention the name of any strange god in the synagogue." (Discussion between Summerbell and Flood on Trinity, p. 38) Milman says the idea of the Trident is fabulous. (Hist. Christianity, p. 34)[3]

12. Scripture contains no reproof (no condemnation) for those who do not believe in a “Triune God.” Those who do not believe in God are called “fools” (Ps. 14:1). Those who reject Christ are condemned (John 3:18). Scripture testifies that it is for “doctrine, reproof, and correction” (2 Tim. 3:16 – KJV), and there are many verses that reprove believers for all kinds of erroneous beliefs and practices. Conspicuous in its absence is any kind of reproof for not believing in the Trinity.

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[1] (Britannia.com 2010)
[2] (Niekerk 2022)
[3] (Loughborough n.d.)

And the verse 1:26 in Genesis, it the same thing I already wrote about concerning Elohim, concerning the majestic plurality applied in creating man, with two plural pronouns in the verse.

Try reading the next verse to confirm it, to be sure and intellectually honest. Suddenly in the next verse, Elohim becomes one person as he was in verse 26, and using singular verbs.

(Gen 1:27) God created man in His own image. In God’s image He created him; male and female He created them.

In verse 27 this is a record of what the single person Elohim did, created man in his own image.

Verse 26 is the active present voice or expression of God when he actually created man in his own image, making himself known in a majestic and a greater sense that being just one God of himself.

Here's something else I will add in for you as a bonus.

This is a list of how Echad is used in the Torah" Keep it for future reference...



To end with two verses to remind who is God as he is an echad of one, numerically...not a unity in any plurality.





The YHWH/LORD/Adonai/ Elohim - God I know will never share HIS glory with anyone, even with his Son, eventhough he has given glory to him.

I hope all this helps in some way.

Continue on my good man SW...!

 

[Wrangler]

Just stay on the porch and let the big dogs hunt.

Projecting defeat.

The basic argument is to retreat to ancient foreign language and suppose a back water language like English cannot adequately translate a word that has more than one sense.

 

[Wrangler]

So WHAT became flesh?

Not God. The word OF God. I know you are desperate to conclude God became flesh but thats just not what the text of John 1:1 reads. I know you are desperate to make a substitution of terms of how another verse reads.

 

[Wrangler]

The Hebrew language and its 'Elohim' usage in scripture: The Hebrew language is a bit complex, and the Greek and especially the English have a hard time translating the Hebrew language into their respective languages.

It’s really not that hard. The word ‘god’ is theologically loaded. Once you accept that there are many lords and gods in Scripture, you realize these loaded words have more than one sense. Ken Ham used ‘back’ in multiple senses to illustrate.

The student, who sits in the back, hurt his back. He’ll be out for a while but he’ll be back to take back his #1 ranking.​

It’s silly to attempt to force the word (back) into one sense for each use for the proper interpretation of these 2 sentences. Another example is Ps 110:1 The LORD said to my lord. Putting aside capitalization, it is clear to anyone with basic reading comprehension that ’the lord’ is a different lord than ‘my lord.’

The (big) boss said to my boss …​

Such explicit differentiations are literally made 1,000’s of times in Scripture. Jesus said God is greater than him, knows more than him, submits to him, says what to say and how to say it by God and prays to God. These verses differentiate the two and demonstrate hierarchy. By contrast, God doesn’t say Jesus is greater than him. God doesn’t submit to Jesus. God doesn’t pray to Jesus, etc.

The 3-is-1 crowd want to disregard the clear, explicit and repeated differentiation all through Scripture and hold up an ambiguous expression like ‘with god and is god‘ as definitively dogmatic with no possible other way to interpret it.

My friend, Bill, has the bill and will not use his credit card but pay with a bill and coins.​

Also, there is Scripture to properly grasp verse 1. It is seen in verse 45.
Philip found Nathanael, a friend, and burst in with excitement:
Philip: We have found the One. Moses wrote about Him in the Law, all the prophets spoke of the day when He would come, and now He is here—His name is Jesus, son of Joseph the carpenter; and He comes from Nazareth.

What did Moses say about this one? That he’d be God incarnate? No. See Deutoronomy 18:15-18. No. No! NO! You can only interpret verse 1 through verse 14 not these other verses.

AND definitely disregard John 20:31, John’s purpose statement, which explicitly states a reason other than trinitarians want to impose. And there is only one sense to every word and that’s that! You just don’t understand. Just stay on the porch and let the big dogs hunt. (It’s easier to claim victory than win by actually knowing the truth.)

 

[Marvelloustime]

Yes , in JESUS we now have been given the divine nature . But as you clearly said
That dont mean WE GOD .
And now allow me to remind you of what you already know . B ut what i do is for the sakes of others .
Is it true that the true prophets had the divine spirit by which they spoke . YES .
But not a prophet one ever said Before abraham was I AM
not a prophet one ever said I AM the FIRST and the last .
This people will be held accountable for their twisting of the scrips ON the DAY OF THE LORD .
IT is high time everyone gets back into JUST the bible
and simply beleive what is written . EVEN if one does not understand it
DO NOT twist it . and it clearly also s tates
IN JOHN one verse one the WORD WAS GOD . IT SAYS THAT .

@amigo de christo

 

[JustMe]

It’s really not that hard. The word ‘god’ is theologically loaded. Once you accept that there are many lords and gods in Scripture, you realize these loaded words have more than one sense. Ken Ham used ‘back’ in multiple senses to illustrate.

The student, who sits in the back, hurt his back. He’ll be out for a while but he’ll be back to take back his #1 ranking.​

It’s silly to attempt to force the word (back) into one sense for each use for the proper interpretation of these 2 sentences. Another example is Ps 110:1 The LORD said to my lord. Putting aside capitalization, it is clear to anyone with basic reading comprehension that ’the lord’ is a different lord than ‘my lord.’

The (big) boss said to my boss …​

Such explicit differentiations are literally made 1,000’s of times in Scripture. Jesus said God is greater than him, knows more than him, submits to him, says what to say and how to say it by God and prays to God. These verses differentiate the two and demonstrate hierarchy. By contrast, God doesn’t say Jesus is greater than him. God doesn’t submit to Jesus. God doesn’t pray to Jesus, etc.

The 3-is-1 crowd want to disregard the clear, explicit and repeated differentiation all through Scripture and hold up an ambiguous expression like ‘with god and is god‘ as definitively dogmatic with no possible other way to interpret it.

My friend, Bill, has the bill and will not use his credit card but pay with a bill and coins.​

Also, there is Scripture to properly grasp verse 1. It is seen in verse 45.
Philip found Nathanael, a friend, and burst in with excitement:
Philip: We have found the One. Moses wrote about Him in the Law, all the prophets spoke of the day when He would come, and now He is here—His name is Jesus, son of Joseph the carpenter; and He comes from Nazareth.

What did Moses say about this one? That he’d be God incarnate? No. See Deutoronomy 18:15-18. No. No! NO! You can only interpret verse 1 through verse 14 not these other verses.

AND definitely disregard John 20:31, John’s purpose statement, which explicitly states a reason other than trinitarians want to impose. And there is only one sense to every word and that’s that! You just don’t understand. Just stay on the porch and let the big dogs hunt. (It’s easier to claim victory than win by actually knowing the truth.)

You captured the post I gave quite well. The delicate and sacred fixation of a precious 'vague and loaded' word (god) or expression that one attributes to their deity is sometimes misguided and even destructive. This is how stone age men worshiped and attached themselves to stone and wood objects, and today we have the modern form of it with modern day languages and symbols that sometimes just barely approximate the original sources and languages and their original usage in communications and understanding....stop here as I can feel a rant coming on...

 

[amigo de christo]

No, and for the record I'll say it again, there is one God.

I know you do. I understand the theory.

The Father is God because the scriptures tell us he is God.
The Son is also God because the scriptures tell us he is God.
What the scriptures don't tell us is that they, along with the Holy Spirit, are a Trinity.

Jesus has many titles but to keep it simple, he is the Son of God.

That is why we ought to use the word Godhead .

 

[KUWN]

I don't think you are looking at this in a balanced way. Who says that people who are not Christians are rejecting Jesus?

I say that, for one. If you read Rom 1, you will see that non Christians are made aware, largely via being in the image of God, that God exists, and we are accountable to him. This divine intuition also convinces unbelievers that they are without excuse. So, all people know God, and that they need to accept God's offer of salvation, or they will suffer the consequences. That means, that unbelievers have only two options: 1. Accept God's offer of salvation, made possible by Christ, 2. Or reject God's offer of salvation, which each person is made aware of by being in the image of God. So, a person is in one of two states. They either reject God's divinely given intuition, which knowing that they must accept Christ (better to say God's offer of salvation), or reject God's impartation of divine truth, truth (that they must accept or reject what they know to be true) that reside in mankind, that is, they know this information is true since God put this knowledge of Himself inside each person.
God wants all people to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth...

 

[KUWN]

@amigo de christo
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This verse does not appear in the oldest and best manuscripts. Based on syntax, grammar, and vocabulary this section of Mark was definitely authored by someone other than Mark.

 

[GodsGrace]

No, and for the record I'll say it again, there is one God.

Agreed.

I know you do. I understand the theory.

Actually Beebster, the Trinity/Godhead is not a theory.
It's what Christians have been taught and believe from the very beginning.

The Father is God because the scriptures tell us he is God.

OK
ONE GOD

The Son is also God because the scriptures tell us he is God.

OK
TWO GODS

What the scriptures don't tell us is that they, along with the Holy Spirit, are a Trinity.

Understood 5 posts ago.

So if Father is God
and Son is God

that makes TWO GODS.

UNLESS the Trinity is true.

The Trinity teaches that there is ONE GOD but three PERSONS in that One God.
The Person you leave out is the Holy Spirit - who is referred to as a Person.

Here is an image that might help you to understand what Christians believe:

Jesus has many titles but to keep it simple, he is the Son of God.

Yes sir.
Jesus is the Son of God.
Jesus IS GOD.
Which I believe you agree with.

The Holy Spirit is also a Person of the Trinity....

John 14:16-17
16 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot * receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.


Acts 5:3-4
3 But Peter said, "Ananias, why * has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land?
4 "While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."


John 14:26
26But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, HE will teach you all things...


Matthew 28:19
19Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

 

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Since you didn't offer a spiritual truth; you offered an opinion.

Everything I post is a spiritual truth that has been passed down from the time of Jesus and has not been corrupted by modern day ideas that are not found in the New Testament.

I can't because the word "Trinity" is nowhere to be found in scripture.

I didn't say that you should find out what TRINITY means.
I said that you should find out what A PERSON is.
And you should use Christian theologians who KNOW what PERSON means...

I do believe I posted a couple of articles on the PERSONHOOD of God Father, God Jesus and God Holy Spirit.

If you want to belong to the Christian faith...
you should learn the Christian faith.

I find it odd that that a dictionary is taboo, but "Gemini" is and the internet are "A OK" when it comes to explaining what a "person is.
Hmmmm.

You could use books just like I used to do if you prefer.
Christians learned their faith all throughout history sans AI.

Whew! That's a whole lot of explaining just to change the definition of the word "person."

Thought it would be helpful to you since you don't seem to understand that there is
ONE GOD
but THREE PERSONS.

Thank you.

The titles Father and Son should make it obvious that God is a family.
The Father is Holy Spirit and he gives his spirit to whomever he will.
The first being he gave that spirit to was his Son Jesus Christ when he created him.
Jesus Christ is not eternal and the scriptures prove it.

Please prove, with scripture, that Jesus is not eternal.

Also, please prove, with scripture, that Jesus was created.

Thanks.