StanJ said:
What I am attempting to do is get you to make an UNequivocal statement. So far, without ANY success.
Also I've given you plenty of scripture you also refuse to comment of.
I had no need to comment on any of the scripture you offered Stan except for one comment I know I did make. I agree with the scripture. If the scripture proclaims Jesus as God...who am I to argue with that?
StanJ said:
As there is only ONE God, I fail to see how you can claim the Shema but say Jesus and God are NOT on and the same?
Yes, there is one God. What does the NT say about that? What does the NT say as to the identity of God?
1 Cor. 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
'Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.' (Ephesians 1:2)
'Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.' (Philippians 1:2)
'Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.' (Colossians 1:2)
'Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.' (1 Thessalonians 1:1)
2 Peter 1:2 ...'Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.'
2 John 1:3 ...'Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Fat
http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/22301-is-jesus-the-son-of-godtruly-or-metaphorically/page-2her, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.'
'Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.' (1 Corinthians 1:3)
'Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,' (Galatians 1:3)
Romans 1:7-8 ...'Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all.'
1 Corinthians 1:3-4 ...'Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ.'
Ephesians 1:3 ...'Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.'
Ephesians 6:23 ...'Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.'
James 1:1 ...'James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ.'
So Stan, if the scripture says the Father is God, and nowhere saying Jesus is God but that He is the Son of God, how can they be the same? In fact, I would strongly suggest that our salvation is imperative on the recognition of their difference.
1Jo 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jo 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
1Jo 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
1Jo 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
2Jo 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
Yes, Jesus is God. But He is not the Father, He is most assuredly the Son, and through deriving the nature of the Father through being begotten of Him, Jesus can rightly be called God. But like Arius said, being begotten Jesus is not of the same age as the father...therefore not co-eternal as the trinity claims. Nothing heretical about that...its what the scripture teaches. If anything is heretical, it is the trinity. It owes its entire existence to circumstantial evidence only made enforcable by church councils and persecution against dissenters. Much like Sunday sacredness in fact.