Is Sunday-observance the same as Sabbath-rest?

[Bob Estey]

Not what I was suggesting. I'm just saying - if what you're using that day for is a weight for you to shoulder, then you're doing it wrong.

Shaving, doing the dishes, brushing my teeth, taking out the trash, showering, putting on my PJs when it's time to go to bed - these are all weight to shoulder. Fixing breakfast, lunch, supper ... No, you have to exert some effort even, on the sabbath. Might as well go to church, too.

 

[Bob Estey]

Not what I was suggesting. I'm just saying - if what you're using that day for is a weight for you to shoulder, then you're doing it wrong.

Shaving, doing the dishes, brushing my teeth, taking out the trash, showering, putting on my PJs when it's time to go to bed - these are all weight to shoulder. Fixing breakfast, lunch, supper ... No, you have to exert some effort even, on the sabbath. Might as well go to church, too.

And going to church adds something positive to my life.

 

[Wick Stick]

Shaving, doing the dishes, brushing my teeth, taking out the trash, showering, putting on my PJs when it's time to go to bed - these are all weight to shoulder. Fixing breakfast, lunch, supper ... No, you have to exert some effort even, on the sabbath. Might as well go to church, too.

Bringing it down to the level of individual tasks misses the point of the commandment, which is a day off of work.

This is basically the problem the Pharisees and Essenes had - they wanted to judge every individual task as to whether it counted as labor or not, and then prohibit it for Sabbath. Embarrassingly, one group of Essenes even prohibited pooping on the Sabbath. Seems to me like holding it all day is a lot more work.

And going to church adds something positive to my life.

I mean, there's your personal answer. But for many, church has become a myriad of tasks - good works, I'm sure - but they still subvert the day of rest into a day of labors.

 

[Bob Estey]

Bringing it down to the level of individual tasks misses the point of the commandment, which is a day off of work.

This is basically the problem the Pharisees and Essenes had - they wanted to judge every individual task as to whether it counted as labor or not, and then prohibit it for Sabbath. Embarrassingly, one group of Essenes even prohibited pooping on the Sabbath. Seems to me like holding it all day is a lot more work.


I mean, there's your personal answer. But for many, church has become a myriad of tasks - good works, I'm sure - but they still subvert the day of rest into a day of labors.

There are things that take effort that must be done on the sabbath, such as preparing meals. Another would be going to church. I enjoy going to church.

 

[Wick Stick]

There are things that take effort that must be done on the sabbath, such as preparing meals. Another would be going to church. I enjoy going to church.

Okay, but none of those are paid labor (I think). I assume that you take a day off from working a job, since most governments have laws establishing worker's rights, and they mostly don't allow 7-day work-weeks.

 

[Bob Estey]

Okay, but none of those are paid labor (I think). I assume that you take a day off from working a job, since most governments have laws establishing worker's rights, and they mostly don't allow 7-day work-weeks.

I am retired, but I would take a day off when I was working. If I couldn't take my regular day off, I would take another day off.

 

[Behold]

What the scriptures say and how you understand them is incompatible, Behold.

You didnt post any Scriptures..

So, which are you referring to??

Try using some of Paul's verses, if you can find them.

Clue : (NT).

 

[quietthinker]

You didnt post any Scriptures..

So, which are you referring to??

Try using some of Paul's verses, if you can find them.

Clue : (NT).

I'm referring to the scriptures you quote along the way.

 

[Behold]

I'm referring to the scriptures you quote along the way.

Yes, your lame innuendo is allowed to continue, @quietthinker .

See you there....

הִנֵּה כָּל-הַמִּתְבָּעִים עָלֶיךָ יָבוֹשׁוּ וּמְבֻוָּלִים, כֹּל יִהְיוּ; וְהַמִּתְוַחֲרִים עִמָּךְ, יָמוּת.

 

[quietthinker]

Yes, your lame innuendo is allowed to continue, @quietthinker .

See you there....

הִנֵּה כָּל-הַמִּתְבָּעִים עָלֶיךָ יָבוֹשׁוּ וּמְבֻוָּלִים, כֹּל יִהְיוּ; וְהַמִּתְוַחֲרִים עִמָּךְ, יָמוּת.

'lame innuendo'....what on earth are you talking about?

 

[Behold]

'lame innuendo'....what on earth are you talking about?

This.. (Lame Innuendo).

quietthinker said:
What the scriptures say and how you understand them is incompatible, Behold.

 

[quietthinker]

This.. (Lame Innuendo).

quietthinker said:
What the scriptures say and how you understand them is incompatible, Behold.

It's hardly an innuendo Behold, it's a direct statement telling you what you're 'hearing' in the scriptures is not what the scriptures are communicating.

 

[Behold]

It's hardly an innuendo Behold, it's a direct statement telling you what you're 'hearing' in the scriptures is not what the scriptures are communicating.

Its a "direct innuendo" that came out of your imagination, as usual.

Listen, you and i, .. anytime you like, can discuss the NT.

As in that case, you can then read what i post regarding Paul's Doctrine, and you can then address the post.

Im here a good bit on this Forum, and anytime you would care to have a discussion regarding NT Verses, then we can.

But there is no need for me to discuss further with you.. your innuendo, that is stating what it's stating, and you post no verses.... .just the innuendo.

 

[quietthinker]

You say this....

Listen, you and i, .. anytime you like, can discuss the NT.

then you say this

But there is no need for me to discuss further with you.

Are you going up the mountain or down the mountain? .... sounds like you're going both ways at the same time.

 

[Behold]

then you say this

I was clear.
Is your comprehension turned on?

Let me repeat.. "there is no need for me to discuss with you, your false innuendo that you directed toward me".

HOWEVER, any time you like, we , you can i, can discuss any NT verse you care to post... @quietthinker

 

[quietthinker]

I was clear.
Is your comprehension turned on?

Let me repeat.. "there is no need for me to discuss with you, your false innuendo that you directed toward me".

HOWEVER, any time you like, we , you can i, can discuss any NT verse you care to post... @quietthinker

yes you are clear.....as clear as pea soup.

 

[Behold]

yes you are clear.....as clear as pea soup.

As i said.
If you actually want to discuss scripture, (NT),... you know where to find me.

 

[amigo de christo]

Shaving, doing the dishes, brushing my teeth, taking out the trash, showering, putting on my PJs when it's time to go to bed - these are all weight to shoulder. Fixing breakfast, lunch, supper ... No, you have to exert some effort even, on the sabbath. Might as well go to church, too.

if we take note that is when the jews even held their services was on the sabbath .
there was such a thing known as a sabbath days journey .
And it is not evil to DO GOOD on the sabbath either .
JESUS healed on the sabbath and yet was accused of breaking it
and yet if a child was eight days old upon the sabbath , IT HAD to be circumsized
to keep that which was first given even to ABRAHAM and later confirmed by moses and the law .
Many make an excuse for many things indeed .
BUT JESUS never once transgressed the sabbath . THEY DID . NOT HE . BUT THEY who thought they kept it .
the sabbath itself as did the law , as did the prophets , as did even abraham and others
SPEAK OF A MORE PERFECT REST . a REST FROM WHICH even the very SOUL COULD ATTAIN REST .
that WAS and THAT IS JESUS HIMSELF . the REST by which a man who does labor and is weary shall FIND REST FOR HIS SOUL .
Just keep that in mind my friend .

 

[rstrats]

Today, we still have a two-day weekend, with one day being for REST (Saturday) and one for SERVICES (Sunday).

I've always wondered about that since Sunday is the 1st day of a new week.

 

[bro.tan]

I know there are already a few threads on Saturday/Sabbath stuff, but I had a question that came out of that discussion that seems to deserve separate consideration.

Is Sunday-observance the same as Sabbath-rest?

There seems to be much ballyhoo about Sunday replacing Saturday, but that doesn't make sense if they aren't the same thing. And... I don't think they are. At least they shouldn't be. They certainly didn't start out to be...

The commandment for Sabbath is a worker's right. The Sabbath is for REST. The intention of the commandment seems to be that workers are not worked to death.

The New Testament practice of observing The Lord's Day was NOT for rest. It was for the church's business - the collection and distribution of alms, teaching, prayer, the sharing of testimonies and psalms - all the things that we normally associate with church.

While the day is nominally the day of the Lord's resurrection, history tells us that this timing was also chosen so that the assembly would compete with the pagan practice of Market Day in the New Testament era. The Greeks and Romans assembled at the town center on the 1st day of the week to sell their goods, including the meats-sacrificed-to-idols that Paul addresses at some length. By meeting outside the city, the church assured that its members couldn't attend Market Day and limited the purchase of idol-meat and other items dedicated to demons. It also had the happy side-effect of forcing Christians to give business to each other.

Today, we still have a two-day weekend, with one day being for REST (Saturday) and one for SERVICES (Sunday). And I don't think this represents a replacement of Sabbath-rest, because the two things are not the same.

Is Sunday-observance the same as Sabbath-rest? The answer is no!

Sabbath Day of the Lord -God of the Bible. (Gen.2:2-5) (v.2) And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. (v.3) And God blessed the seventh day (every seventh day of the week is a blessed and holy day) and sanctified it (it is a day that is separated (sanctified) for a purpose) because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. (v.5) “and there was not a man to till the ground.” There was not a Jew, Catholic, Baptist, or Seventh Day Adventist; in fact, there was not a Christian when He constituted the Sabbath Day!

Jesus made it clear that the seventh day was made for mankind. (Mark 2:27-28) (v.27) And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath: Do we understand that, the Sabbath was made for us, not us for the Sabbath. (v.28) Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath. The Son of man (Jesus) is the Lord God of the seventh day Sabbath (Saturday). (Ex.31:16-17) (v.16) Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. (v.17) It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. You see that the Sabbath day is a sign between God and His people forever. Israel was His people then and whoever chooses to obey Him now are His people. God intended for the weekly Sabbath (this word means rest in Hebrew) to be a refreshing blessing for mankind. God knew that human beings would need periodic rest and change from work. But the purpose for keeping God's Sabbath goes far beyond simply resting on that day.

This day represent a future day of rest, after the Great tribulation period. This day is not alike any other day, it's set apart. Paul understood in Hebrews 4: 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, If they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.