Is Sunday-observance the same as Sabbath-rest?

[Bob Estey]

Not what I was suggesting. I'm just saying - if what you're using that day for is a weight for you to shoulder, then you're doing it wrong.

Shaving, doing the dishes, brushing my teeth, taking out the trash, showering, putting on my PJs when it's time to go to bed - these are all weight to shoulder. Fixing breakfast, lunch, supper ... No, you have to exert some effort even, on the sabbath. Might as well go to church, too.

 

[Bob Estey]

Not what I was suggesting. I'm just saying - if what you're using that day for is a weight for you to shoulder, then you're doing it wrong.

Shaving, doing the dishes, brushing my teeth, taking out the trash, showering, putting on my PJs when it's time to go to bed - these are all weight to shoulder. Fixing breakfast, lunch, supper ... No, you have to exert some effort even, on the sabbath. Might as well go to church, too.

And going to church adds something positive to my life.

 

[Wick Stick]

Shaving, doing the dishes, brushing my teeth, taking out the trash, showering, putting on my PJs when it's time to go to bed - these are all weight to shoulder. Fixing breakfast, lunch, supper ... No, you have to exert some effort even, on the sabbath. Might as well go to church, too.

Bringing it down to the level of individual tasks misses the point of the commandment, which is a day off of work.

This is basically the problem the Pharisees and Essenes had - they wanted to judge every individual task as to whether it counted as labor or not, and then prohibit it for Sabbath. Embarrassingly, one group of Essenes even prohibited pooping on the Sabbath. Seems to me like holding it all day is a lot more work.

And going to church adds something positive to my life.

I mean, there's your personal answer. But for many, church has become a myriad of tasks - good works, I'm sure - but they still subvert the day of rest into a day of labors.

 

[Bob Estey]

Bringing it down to the level of individual tasks misses the point of the commandment, which is a day off of work.

This is basically the problem the Pharisees and Essenes had - they wanted to judge every individual task as to whether it counted as labor or not, and then prohibit it for Sabbath. Embarrassingly, one group of Essenes even prohibited pooping on the Sabbath. Seems to me like holding it all day is a lot more work.


I mean, there's your personal answer. But for many, church has become a myriad of tasks - good works, I'm sure - but they still subvert the day of rest into a day of labors.

There are things that take effort that must be done on the sabbath, such as preparing meals. Another would be going to church. I enjoy going to church.

 

[Wick Stick]

There are things that take effort that must be done on the sabbath, such as preparing meals. Another would be going to church. I enjoy going to church.

Okay, but none of those are paid labor (I think). I assume that you take a day off from working a job, since most governments have laws establishing worker's rights, and they mostly don't allow 7-day work-weeks.

 

[Bob Estey]

Okay, but none of those are paid labor (I think). I assume that you take a day off from working a job, since most governments have laws establishing worker's rights, and they mostly don't allow 7-day work-weeks.

I am retired, but I would take a day off when I was working. If I couldn't take my regular day off, I would take another day off.

 

[Behold]

What the scriptures say and how you understand them is incompatible, Behold.

You didnt post any Scriptures..

So, which are you referring to??

Try using some of Paul's verses, if you can find them.

Clue : (NT).

 

[quietthinker]

You didnt post any Scriptures..

So, which are you referring to??

Try using some of Paul's verses, if you can find them.

Clue : (NT).

I'm referring to the scriptures you quote along the way.

 

[Behold]

I'm referring to the scriptures you quote along the way.

Yes, your lame innuendo is allowed to continue, @quietthinker .

See you there....

הִנֵּה כָּל-הַמִּתְבָּעִים עָלֶיךָ יָבוֹשׁוּ וּמְבֻוָּלִים, כֹּל יִהְיוּ; וְהַמִּתְוַחֲרִים עִמָּךְ, יָמוּת.

 

[quietthinker]

Yes, your lame innuendo is allowed to continue, @quietthinker .

See you there....

הִנֵּה כָּל-הַמִּתְבָּעִים עָלֶיךָ יָבוֹשׁוּ וּמְבֻוָּלִים, כֹּל יִהְיוּ; וְהַמִּתְוַחֲרִים עִמָּךְ, יָמוּת.

'lame innuendo'....what on earth are you talking about?

 

[Behold]

'lame innuendo'....what on earth are you talking about?

This.. (Lame Innuendo).

quietthinker said:
What the scriptures say and how you understand them is incompatible, Behold.

 

[quietthinker]

This.. (Lame Innuendo).

quietthinker said:
What the scriptures say and how you understand them is incompatible, Behold.

It's hardly an innuendo Behold, it's a direct statement telling you what you're 'hearing' in the scriptures is not what the scriptures are communicating.

 

[Behold]

It's hardly an innuendo Behold, it's a direct statement telling you what you're 'hearing' in the scriptures is not what the scriptures are communicating.

Its a "direct innuendo" that came out of your imagination, as usual.

Listen, you and i, .. anytime you like, can discuss the NT.

As in that case, you can then read what i post regarding Paul's Doctrine, and you can then address the post.

Im here a good bit on this Forum, and anytime you would care to have a discussion regarding NT Verses, then we can.

But there is no need for me to discuss further with you.. your innuendo, that is stating what it's stating, and you post no verses.... .just the innuendo.

 

[quietthinker]

You say this....

Listen, you and i, .. anytime you like, can discuss the NT.

then you say this

But there is no need for me to discuss further with you.

Are you going up the mountain or down the mountain? .... sounds like you're going both ways at the same time.

 

[Behold]

then you say this

I was clear.
Is your comprehension turned on?

Let me repeat.. "there is no need for me to discuss with you, your false innuendo that you directed toward me".

HOWEVER, any time you like, we , you can i, can discuss any NT verse you care to post... @quietthinker

 

[quietthinker]

I was clear.
Is your comprehension turned on?

Let me repeat.. "there is no need for me to discuss with you, your false innuendo that you directed toward me".

HOWEVER, any time you like, we , you can i, can discuss any NT verse you care to post... @quietthinker

yes you are clear.....as clear as pea soup.

 

[Behold]

yes you are clear.....as clear as pea soup.

As i said.
If you actually want to discuss scripture, (NT),... you know where to find me.

 

[amigo de christo]

Shaving, doing the dishes, brushing my teeth, taking out the trash, showering, putting on my PJs when it's time to go to bed - these are all weight to shoulder. Fixing breakfast, lunch, supper ... No, you have to exert some effort even, on the sabbath. Might as well go to church, too.

if we take note that is when the jews even held their services was on the sabbath .
there was such a thing known as a sabbath days journey .
And it is not evil to DO GOOD on the sabbath either .
JESUS healed on the sabbath and yet was accused of breaking it
and yet if a child was eight days old upon the sabbath , IT HAD to be circumsized
to keep that which was first given even to ABRAHAM and later confirmed by moses and the law .
Many make an excuse for many things indeed .
BUT JESUS never once transgressed the sabbath . THEY DID . NOT HE . BUT THEY who thought they kept it .
the sabbath itself as did the law , as did the prophets , as did even abraham and others
SPEAK OF A MORE PERFECT REST . a REST FROM WHICH even the very SOUL COULD ATTAIN REST .
that WAS and THAT IS JESUS HIMSELF . the REST by which a man who does labor and is weary shall FIND REST FOR HIS SOUL .
Just keep that in mind my friend .