Is the Logos meaningful, or meaningless? - Depends on your view of Logos.
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The Logos (logic/reason/meaning/plan) preceded creation.
And THAT Logos BECAME flesh and dwelt among us.
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And Yahweh "said". Because of our translations in English, we don't see Yahweh's name in our bibles. But, it is there. There is no doubt about Who created.
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Notice how you contradict yourself.
WHEN God collides with the created order He doesn't BECOME subject to TIME.
Time is not a place or a thing, Carl. Time is an idea. It's nothing more than a way of speaking about events relative to other events. If one thing happens and then something else happens, that's time! If God does one thing and then another, He experiences time, by definition. As such you cannot speak of God doing anything outside of time without contradicting yourself just as you've done above. That isn't your fault, really, by the way. It isn't an error in the way you stated it but in the very concept itself. No one could ever avoid such a contradiction because the very concept of "doing" presupposes the concept of time, which is just the conceptual manner in which we communicate information about the duration and sequence of events.
Can you not see this flagrantly open contradiction in that sentence?
Timeless history? Really?
This harkens to a heresy that I'll ignore for now because if God isn't timeless, this is a moot point.
No, it was definitely NOT His blood that saved the first born children in Egypt! Who on Earth taught you such a thing?
Before, after, offered (past tense) - how many time words can on man use while trying to undermine the same concept?
This much, as stated, we agree on.
No it isn't. The Word IS GOD HIMSELF!
There are not three God's. There are three person's in the Godhead but that isn't the same thing. The Logos is THE Creator God.
Exactly!
Nonsense.
Neither the past nor the future exist except as concepts (i.e. memories, plans, etc). All that exists, exists now. The past is no more and the future is no yet.
Let God be true and every man a liar, especially those who would have us believe in fairy tails that have nothing to do with either scripture nor sound reason.
Logos is the root word for the English word "logic", Carl. I'm not so sure He be too happy with Logos being used to perpetuate the irrational and totally unbiblical notion that God is timeless.
This sentence is the leper's bell of the approaching con artist who wants you to believe something in contradiction to your mind. Something that he cannot defend with any argument but must merely extend as a totally unsupported claim and then declare anyone who doesn't buy as either impious or heretical or both.
God's ways are higher than our ways, Carl, not lower! God is not irrational! On the contrary, John 1 teaches explicitly that God Himself is Reason! That's what "Logos" means and that is definitely what John's Greek speaking audience would have instantly understood him to be saying in those first several verse of his gospel. "Logos" was the term that the Greeks used in reference to the "divine reason" that they believed was responsible for the order observed in the universe and that explained why our minds work and why things like mathematics work. It was that specific concept that John was intentionally employing. You simply don't get to use "Logos" to defend rational absurdities such as "timeless existence", which would be a durationless existence and therefore a nonexistent existence, which is obviously nonsensical and false.
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