IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

[rebuilder 454]

8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who [d]believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

When He Comes is our salvation from this wicked and perverse generation.
Example
Hebrews 9
27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,
28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many.
To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

When He comes he delivers us from this evil world, in a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. In other words, the last day.
Because when Jesus returns it is the Last Day, it is the resurrection and the judgment.
And the wicked are destroyed at His coming in a fiery destruction.

Oh wait..
Are you amil?

 

[rebuilder 454]

I know why you are so resistant, it really upends your entire eschatology frame of mind.
Long time ago, I was a fan of the 'left behind series', but the scriptures I read were at odds with what they claimed.

What part of me reading " Before the flood" causes you deflection?

What does amil do with a gathering before the flood?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Taken would imply their life is taken from them.
Their spirits depart their body as they are killed.
The Holy Angels of God gather them up, binding them, their fate to burned at His command, so yes, they are taken away to punishment in hellfire.

Oh..so you spiritually explain away what you decide?
Who is left?
The spirits that aren't really there but are told to "get ready to stay"

 

[rebuilder 454]

And the full preterists say the Day of the Lord is in the past.
Can you imagine why thinking that way has become so popular?
They do not like the sudden destruction teaching at Christ's return.
I talked to pastor who is a full preterist, and he says that is too scary and he won't teach scary stuff like that.
That guys idea is the world is steadily becoming better and better and more Christianized, and the Christ cannot return until the whole world is converted and saved. I don't get how the elders let him into the position. I talked with them and they all said we like him, and it is not a salvation issue...
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1 Thess 5
But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.
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For His people we believe the warnings, and the signs before His return, so Jesus said when we see these things begin to happen look up for your redemption draws close.

And this also supports the post trib view, as when you see these things happening, you know Christ is at the doors ready to return, as you are witnessing them.
The church suffers persecution and tribulation, but will NOT experience wrath of God which comes on the wicked (antichrists) at Christ's return

2 Thessalonian 1 is post trib, read it carefully.
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God’s Final Judgment and Glory​

3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, 4 so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and [a]tribulations that you endure, 5 which is manifest[b] evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with [c]tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who [d]believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

Rev 14: 14 has Jesus returning to harvest Jews with no sudden destruction.
Zero

 

[rebuilder 454]

[Mat 13:30 KJV] 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Jesus is saying the just and the unjust will not be separated til he comes

So your position is a rapture at the GWTJ After the mil?

 

[Doug]

So your position is a rapture at the GWTJ After the mil?

Not sure of your question
I believe the rapture is before the tribulation
The one taken and the other left passages arent the rapture.....these are about Christ's coming at the end of the tribulation

 

[Scott Downey]

So your position is a rapture at the GWTJ After the mil?

How can you believe Jesus returns a third time?
We read about the rapture that it's the second time

There is no 3rd time Jesus comes.

Theses are the rapture verses
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1 Thess 4

The Comfort of Christ’s Coming​

13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen [b]asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who [c]sleep in Jesus.

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
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He will come again a second time, there is nothing about He will come again a third time.
All eschatology in 1 and 2 Thessalonians is about a second coming, never a third.
Yet to believe in this pretrib rapture event, you must think a third time he is coming at the end to destroy Satan.

2 Thess 2 is the one and only return of Christ, Him coming a second time
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Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of [b]sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the [d]mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only [e]He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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Since at this coming Christ destroys the evil creature, this which people consider antichrist man of sin, then it must by consistency be after the tribulation.
Unless you force a third coming of Christ, you have to agree with me on this, and scripture too.

Don't live in a fantasy world, hold to what scripture teaches us.