IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?
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Myself and others have shown you from the book of Acts that Peter did you are still in denial, you were completely brainwashed Doug, Wake up and Like Amigo said and it is true, read the bible for yourself and forget the words of men, just listen to the words within the bible, it is all you need to do really. until you do you will remain blind.
Matt 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other
GRACE ambassador
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Back On topic:
Yes, The pre-trib rapture is Before the Great Tribulation:
God's Great GRACE Departure!
Amen.
PS:
Here are the ( Different topic ) [ BIBLE brain - WASHED ] Two Gospels Of Scripture:
God's Approval/TWO Gospels In Prophecy vs Mystery!
And AMEN!
Yes, The pre-trib rapture is Before the Great Tribulation:
God's Great GRACE Departure!
Amen.
PS:
Here are the ( Different topic ) [ BIBLE brain - WASHED ] Two Gospels Of Scripture:
God's Approval/TWO Gospels In Prophecy vs Mystery!
And AMEN!
JLB
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Hebrews that obeyed the the only Gospel there is, the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
What a strange thing to ask.
amigo de christo
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Its all over the book of acts . both peter and john , paul and others
spoke of the one same gospel which includes HIS death and ressurection .
That man need , as you wrote , TO ONLY Read that bible for himself and it would so quickly be seen .
But friend , many have no desire to do such a thing , rather they r ead what they read
through the lens of their deonomination and teaching of men that twisted things .
From he who holds an acroynm to he who preaches Hyper grace , or propsierty gospel
or seeker freindly or whatever
THEY BEEN LIED TOO and boy do they seem to love a LIE .
But a LIE is not what the sheep do love .
FOR GOD has called HIS sheep and Has put a LOVE FOR HIM above all upon their hearts .
AND HE IS T RUTH
and came TO TESTIFY of THE TRUTH and HIS words are TRUTH and are our meat .
Its not in there show me where it is and prove me wrong
Where did Peter preach the death and resurrection for eternal life to all in Acts
If you showed me where Peter preached the death and resurrection for eternal life I would have recanted, but sorry you cant show what is not there, you can make scripture say what you want and not what it says
rebuilder 454
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I agree.
The saints are gathered IN HEAVEN ... BY ANGELS....AFTER THE TRIB.
They got there earlier as you have pointed out.
....7 yrs earlier.
That is why they are gathered there...BY angels.
Thank you for reminding me the rapture is pretrib as Jesus depicted a few sentences later.
If you would have kept reading in mat 24 you would see Jesus CONFIRMED the rapture as pre trib (preflood).
Then he brought in another pretrib depiction in the 10 virgins, a few sentences later.
Three pretrib depictions by Jesus in the same breath only a few sentences apart.
The Hebrews in Christ were scattered abroad,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,[Act 8:1 KJV] 1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles........................the body of Christ wasnt formed yet and the preaching of the death and resurrection wasnt preached by Peter. Peter preached the gospel of the kingdom and the name of Jesus for salvation. This was the church in Jerusalem the believing remnant of Israel.
[Heb 9:15 KJV] 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.................look at what the book of Hebrews says about the death of Christ. It doesnt preach the death and resurrection for the salvation of all, but rather Christ;s death to redeem Israel's sins under the first testament.
The book of Hebrews does not contain our doctrine and commands, only Paul's epistles do
JLB
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Paul wrote the epistle to the Hebrews.
He warned them of falling away and losing any hope of ever being brought back to repentance.
The resurrection and rapture occur at His coming; The Second Coming of Christ.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15
The Antichrist will also be destroyed at His Coming; The Second Coming of Christ.
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8
MY QUESTION FOR DOUG:
Do you believe the resurrection of the dead in Christ, the rapture, and the destruction of the antichrist occur before the great tribulation?
JLB
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‘The resurrection of the dead in Christ comes first, then we who are alive and remain, are caught together with them.
- Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
MY QUESTION FOR DOUG:
Do you believe the resurrection of the dead in Christ, the rapture, and the destruction of the antichrist occur before the great tribulation?
Yes the resurrection of the dead in Christ, the rapture, and the destruction of the antichrist does occur before the great tribulation.
No, the resurrection of the dead in Christ, the rapture, and the destruction of the antichrist doesn’t occur before the great tribulation.
Which one of these answers best describes your belief?
You sound confused friend. The Church will be raptured or gathered immediately after the tribulation, we will hear the trump of God as described here 1 Thess 4:13-17
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
amigo de christo
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You do agree Eternal life is ONLY IN CHRIST JESUS and one must BELEIVE IN HIM .
Right .
Now go read in acts and see what Peter tells them
See for you . Not only did peter preach it
so would paul later in acts . Oh they all preached it my friend .
YA been sitting under doctrine twisters my friend .
amigo de christo
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try reading the second chapter .
then read verse thirty one . OH YES PETER DID PREACH The death and RESSURECTION of CHRIST .
then read the third chapter , be sure to pay attention to the fifteenth verse .
WE can do this all day my friend . There are other places too . You have been greatly decieved .
But i am praying when you read this you will realize your error and repent
Be not as the many who try and twist things to maintain your lie . JUST repent . its easy .
You cant show me where Peter preached forgiveness of sin by the blood of Christ
An imogee is a childish rudimentary response that doesn't express any well studied response
amigo de christo
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You got to be kidding me . SEE i knew you would do this .
You asked me to show you where peter preached the ressurection , I DID .
but if you like i can show you where HE did preach the other too .
Friend , I KNEW you would do this . EVEN when a man showed you word for word
WHAT YOU asked me to show you , You still try and cling to YALLS TWO GOSPEL bull dung stuff .
YOU were shown my friend . And you STILL DENY .
you had rather beleive them men of b elial that sold you that stuff .
I knew you would do this . I KNEW IT . but i had to try my friend . Man
i was sure hoping against all odds you would have suprised me and said , OH i see now . BUT NOPE
you did sadly what i thought you would .
I dont keep on keeping on with men I KNOW are not gonna hear a word . I SHOWED YOU what you asked .
I could show you BUT WHAT IS THE POINT you just gonna try and do it all again .
YOU are left to your own demise my freind . BUT i will still continue to pray FOR YOU . that i will do .
amigo de christo
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I SHOWED HIM and he did exactly what i knew he would
Rather than seeing his error , he brought up something els about the blood of JESUS .
THAT DUDE does not want to HEAR TRUTH . he wants to HOLD ONTO what his men sold him .
I showed him real clear and He just looks for another thing to say .
I leave that man to his own demise . but i will pray for him . BUT i dont keep on keeping on
with those WHO DO NOT have ANY DESIRE to hear the truth but rather keep on with the lie .
I got others i can help . HE dont want help he wants to JUSTIFY his own doctrine .
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