When I ask, "Can we have relationship with the God without coming under His authority, I am not talking about a distant relationship of "believing" He exists (as do devils) or having sporadic conversations with God as did Cain.
I am speaking about a vital, intimate, harmonic relationship with the Lord by the Holy Spirit.
Yes, God spoke to Cain and Cain refused to come under God's authority. In that respect, God speaks to many. But that is not the relationship I am speaking about.
I am speaking about being a co-heir with Christ as an adopted son.
I believe all those who refused to come under the Lord's authority in the OT could not have intimate relationship with God and ultimately were destroyed in the wilderness (for instance). Relationship must be on God's terms, not ours. We should not be deceived into thinking that if we believe He exists and are receiving His benefits (as even sinners do), that we are somehow "made safe".
I believe, to receive His forgiveness for your sins, one must receive Christ (John 1:12). Christ is the "power" to become a son of God. Christ is the personification of mercy and forgiveness. The attributes of God are not just "hanging" up in the sky just over your head and you just pick which one you want. You cannot separate the attributes of God from God. So, in order to receive forgiveness for your sins from Christ, you must receive Christ and when you are making the choice to receive Christ you are making the choice to come under His authority in your life.
It is the authority of Jesus Christ being welcomed in our life that gives us security. Security is not found in creeds, or prayers, or works. It is only found in Christ.
Again, we cannot divorce promises in the Bible from the Person of Jesus Christ. And if we want Jesus Christ in our lives, we must ascent to His terms of relationship, not our own.
There are countless examples of those in the OT and NT that would not submit to the authority of God in their lives. And the first one, was Lucifer.
Coming under His authority makes way for every provision we need: Security, Wholeness, Protection, Love, Hope, Freedom, etc.
Refusing to come under His authority for the basis of relationship brings: doubt, unbelief, insecurity, hopelessness, condemnation, successful attacks from the Adversary, hardness of heart, and bondage.
Axehead
I am speaking about a vital, intimate, harmonic relationship with the Lord by the Holy Spirit.
Yes, God spoke to Cain and Cain refused to come under God's authority. In that respect, God speaks to many. But that is not the relationship I am speaking about.
I am speaking about being a co-heir with Christ as an adopted son.
I believe all those who refused to come under the Lord's authority in the OT could not have intimate relationship with God and ultimately were destroyed in the wilderness (for instance). Relationship must be on God's terms, not ours. We should not be deceived into thinking that if we believe He exists and are receiving His benefits (as even sinners do), that we are somehow "made safe".
I believe, to receive His forgiveness for your sins, one must receive Christ (John 1:12). Christ is the "power" to become a son of God. Christ is the personification of mercy and forgiveness. The attributes of God are not just "hanging" up in the sky just over your head and you just pick which one you want. You cannot separate the attributes of God from God. So, in order to receive forgiveness for your sins from Christ, you must receive Christ and when you are making the choice to receive Christ you are making the choice to come under His authority in your life.
It is the authority of Jesus Christ being welcomed in our life that gives us security. Security is not found in creeds, or prayers, or works. It is only found in Christ.
Again, we cannot divorce promises in the Bible from the Person of Jesus Christ. And if we want Jesus Christ in our lives, we must ascent to His terms of relationship, not our own.
There are countless examples of those in the OT and NT that would not submit to the authority of God in their lives. And the first one, was Lucifer.
Coming under His authority makes way for every provision we need: Security, Wholeness, Protection, Love, Hope, Freedom, etc.
Refusing to come under His authority for the basis of relationship brings: doubt, unbelief, insecurity, hopelessness, condemnation, successful attacks from the Adversary, hardness of heart, and bondage.
Axehead