keras said:
Marcus said: The Day of the Lord is preceded by signs.
Sure, the Day of the Return of Jesus, Rev 19:11, Zech. 14:3, will come after many signs, mainly the Great Tribulation and armies gathering to attack Jerusalem. ‘As soon as that time of distress has passed….’ Matthew 24:29-30
You have the order wrong again. It is not the Great Tribulation and then armies gathering to attack Jerusalem -
But the encampment of the anti-Christ around Jerusalem, which means the army with him has already come, - Luke 21:20
The erection of the abomination - the talking image of the anti-Christ - in the Temple, - Mt 24:15 & Rev 13:14-15
Then the false prophet announces two laws, and those laws make the Great Tribulation so terrible for the Elect (only). - Rev 13:15-16 & Mt 24:21
The Great Tribulation goes on to
the sun/moon/star event and that heralds the Day of the Lord. - Mt 24:30
THEN the Elect are gathered up: the Rescue of Mt 24:31 which matches 1Th 4:16 and the Harvest of Rev 14:14-16 -
on the Day of the Lord coincidental with the Sixth Seal!
You say Wrath cannot follow Rescue and both be on the Day of the Lord, but you are in violation of both the Olivet Discouse and Isa 13:9; 24:21; Joel 2:11.
• Gog/Magog War - flash flood invasion of Holy Land
.....o Armies surround Jerusalem - pitches his tent at the Holy Mountain.
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Midpoint Abomination - Setting up the talking image of the anti-Christ
.....o
Those in Judea flee / Remnant protected
.....o
Two laws which make the Great Tribulation the worst time ever
.....o “Mikael" arises
.....o Two Witnesses 1260 days - call down Wrath
.....o
Great Tribulation - the Elect are persecuted
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Sun/moon/star event Day of the LORD
.....o
Scrolling of the sky = sign of the Son of Man
.....o
Jesus touches down on Mount Zion
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Jews flee through the cleft of the Mount of Olives
.......... Mustering the 144,000 assembled on Mount Zion
.......... 3 Angels fulfill the Great Commission / Warn the wicked
.....o
Jesus resurrects the Saints / Last Trumpet
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Dead in Christ
.......... Martyr's deeds will be remembered (Two Witnesses left behind)
.....o
Deliverance = Harvest Redemption / Gathering Elect from the clouds
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Those who are alive and are left
.....o
Great Multitude arrives in Heaven out of the Great Tribulation
.....o Books / Scroll opened with breaking of seventh Seal
.....o
First Trumpet fire and blood – 1/3rd of earth burned
.......... Avenging Angels – supplying Blood and managing the Fire - Day of the Lord Wrath
keras said:
But it is a mistake to think we will know when the Lord’s Day of wrath comes, because it will be the Day that ‘comes as a thief’, the Day of sudden destruction, 1 Thess. 5:3, that ‘in an instant’ will depopulate and devastate all of the Holy Land. Zeph. 1:14-18
This "instant" destruction is belied by the Wrath of God as expressed in the Trumpets "Thirds" and "Woes" followed by the Bowl Judgments. God's Wrath takes time.
Suddenly, God's Judgment will come on them. It does not come all at once, nor is it over right away.
keras said:
When He comes first in His judgement of the nations, Hab. 3:12, He comes as the Son of Man.
This is kind of a meaningless statement. The "Son of Man" is how Jesus referred to Himself more than any other euphemism. That has nothing to do with Hab 3:12. The problem with just putting a mish-mash of Bible verses together and saying it's Scriptural is that it equates without proof.
keras said:
1/ At the Return, He comes as the Word of God. Rev 19:13b
‘In the days of Noah, they ate, drank and married, then suddenly they were swept away!’ Matthew 24:37-38
2/ In no way will people be living normally during the G.T.!
1.
Rev 19:13b is the preparation for the final battle of Armageddon which happens
after the Bowl Judgments,
which happen after the Harvest of Saints in chapter 14.
Rev 19:13b is NOT on the Day of the Lord, which is when Christ returns anew. (Chapters 13 through 16 are a parallel account within the book of Revelation of just the one 'seven' with its two halves.)
So Jesus does not come AS the Word of God; that is His Name.
Secondly for the italics, Noah was rescued by entering the Ark before God's Wrath came as the Flood.
2. People will be living normally during the Great Tribulation!
- All that is required is that you disobey Jesus' command not to worship the talking image of the anti-Christ nor take the mark of the beast.
-- Those that do worship the abomination and take the mark of the beast will live normally during the Great Tribulation.
---It is only when the Day of the Lord comes immediately after those days (effectively ending them) do the wicked suffer for failing this test of faith.
However, during the Great Tribulation, those Christians who obey Christ will be put to death. That is completely unjust and the killing will dwarf the Holocaust.
The Great Tribulation is only distressful to the faithful.
keras said:
Just these two reasons totally refute the idea that the Day of the Lord’s wrath also happens at the Return.
No, those reasons themselves are in error to begin with, so they cannot add up to the conclusion you state.
Jesus will resurrect the Dead in Christ and Rapture the Elect on the Day of the Lord.
Then, after He has delivered them to the "barn" of Heaven, He will trample out His Wrath on the very same Day of the Lord. Prophecy says it.
keras said:
As we see from the current situation in the Middle East, it is inevitable there will be another attempt by the Islamists to ‘wipe Israel off the map’. When they do, it will be the trigger for the Lord to take action. It WILL be His Day of vengeance and wrath! Zech. 3:9b
Nope again. The attempt by the muslims to wipe Israel off the map will NOT be the trigger for the Lord to take action.
When the "South", the muslims, are about to take on Israel, the false prophet will give the okay to nuke them. In all probability this will be Iran.
This action will lead to a reprisal by the King of the North who will invade Israel so as to punish her for breaking the peace.
This leads to his encampment around the Holy Mountain at Jerusalem. He first has to 'get there' before he can arrive at the Temple.
It is when the talking image of the anti-Christ is revealed that 'One who is like God' arises. The first reaction is the arrival of the Two Witnesses.
Here is
a news article with an insight of who gives the final okay in Israel.