The valley of Jehoshaphat is NOT THE SAME as the valley of Hamongog. Jehoshaphat is the Kidron Valley, extending down to the Jezreel Valley, both situated west of the Sea of Galilee. Hamongog is situated east of the Dead Sea. Two totally different valleys.
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I think we are living in exciting times, and as the pieces fall together, I assure everyone that prophecy will be making more sense.
Of course the most obvious thing to watch for is what's happening in Israel: earlier I mentioned lunar tetrads the last two occurred around the time that Israel became a nation again, and the 1967 war where they took control of Jerusalem. The upcoming dates I'm suggesting (not adamantly sure) that it may have something to do with the temple. So we should always watch that in the middle east as they are actively planning to build it again.
Pertaining to nations and politics (and economics), there are 4 main players in the ends times as I see it. These 4 players are various confederacy of nations. When we read the book of Daniel, we see past and yet future empires culminating in the end time beast. These nations built up to what culminates as the 10-nation confederacy with the "King of the North". So that is one player, the King of the North which is what the bible says most about and is the end time Kingdom of the beast that most hear about all the time.
The second player is the King of the South and associated nations that have this ongoing conflict with the King of the North. There is a strong possibility that the middle eastern and Islamic uprisings may be paving the way for the nations of the "King of the South".
The third player you hear mentioned once in awhile, and Ezekiel devotes some chapters to is Gog and Magog and associated nations. The bible describes them coming from the Northeast, but geographically the people of these groups settled in Russia, China, the nations out in the Pacific, and I also believe South America.
Lastly, there is Israel, and by Israel I also include the lost tribe nations of NW Europe, the United States and (once called) "Commonwealth" nations that will also experience the "time of Jacob's trouble" as will the Jews in their actual homeland.
When one looks at this, there is a tendency of a crude division between the Semetic lines (excluding Israel) i.e King of the North, the Hamitic (King of the South) and Japhetic (Gog and Magog), and people ALL over the world no matter what their nationality may gravitate towards these end time groups since everyone alive today came from one of these 3 branches of Noah's sons. For example, I would expect the Mexicans to side more with the King of the South (Islamic) rather than say, Gog or Magog. But then there are exceptions such as the over religious ones may side more with the King of the North and His false prophet (church).
Of course the most obvious thing to watch for is what's happening in Israel: earlier I mentioned lunar tetrads the last two occurred around the time that Israel became a nation again, and the 1967 war where they took control of Jerusalem. The upcoming dates I'm suggesting (not adamantly sure) that it may have something to do with the temple. So we should always watch that in the middle east as they are actively planning to build it again.
Pertaining to nations and politics (and economics), there are 4 main players in the ends times as I see it. These 4 players are various confederacy of nations. When we read the book of Daniel, we see past and yet future empires culminating in the end time beast. These nations built up to what culminates as the 10-nation confederacy with the "King of the North". So that is one player, the King of the North which is what the bible says most about and is the end time Kingdom of the beast that most hear about all the time.
The second player is the King of the South and associated nations that have this ongoing conflict with the King of the North. There is a strong possibility that the middle eastern and Islamic uprisings may be paving the way for the nations of the "King of the South".
The third player you hear mentioned once in awhile, and Ezekiel devotes some chapters to is Gog and Magog and associated nations. The bible describes them coming from the Northeast, but geographically the people of these groups settled in Russia, China, the nations out in the Pacific, and I also believe South America.
Lastly, there is Israel, and by Israel I also include the lost tribe nations of NW Europe, the United States and (once called) "Commonwealth" nations that will also experience the "time of Jacob's trouble" as will the Jews in their actual homeland.
When one looks at this, there is a tendency of a crude division between the Semetic lines (excluding Israel) i.e King of the North, the Hamitic (King of the South) and Japhetic (Gog and Magog), and people ALL over the world no matter what their nationality may gravitate towards these end time groups since everyone alive today came from one of these 3 branches of Noah's sons. For example, I would expect the Mexicans to side more with the King of the South (Islamic) rather than say, Gog or Magog. But then there are exceptions such as the over religious ones may side more with the King of the North and His false prophet (church).
Hi tim_from_pa,
I think of one considered Daniel 11:2 as the ancient sequence of world empires, one should arrive to this ~fourth more~ (which makes it the FIFTH) as the "divided" empire of Clay. Thus one should find the Lion/Eagle - U.K./U.S. ; Bear - Russia; and the Leopard - China. As such we know that Russia and the United States are further North and South with respect to each other. Also China is further East, (Ref. Daniel 11:44).
Thus the assignments are correct for the era approximate to 1948, as specified in Daniel 12:4 & Daniel 12:9.
As such, you might consider that Daniel 2:39 defines the empire of Bronze fulfillment (of "Greece") as "all the earth". So in Daniel 11:2, that "Greece"/"all the earth" is WWI. And if this is true, then one should anticipate that Daniel 11:3-4 is WWII, which I would argue is exactly correct in both depiction and fulfillment.
Hope this helps,
BibleScribe
PS Please note that the Daniel 11:44 rumors from the "north" (for this king of the north) might reflect internal dissent in Russia, which would yield not only the greater threat from China (from the east), but the second threat from Russian citizens assailing their own nation (from the north). The result shall reveal the head which indeed is mortally wounded.
Supposition of where the valley of Hamongog is today is supposition and nothing more. It's location will not be known until the Ezek.39 destruction event comes to pass. The Ezekiel 39 Scripture declares destruction of the northern armies that come upon Israel, and then God gathers Israel back to the land and He is revealed to all nations. That IS the start of Christ's Millennium reign when that occurs.
Ezek 39:11-29
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.
12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.
13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD.
That's the future event of Armageddon also, the final defeat of God's enemies on the last day of this present world on the day of The Lord. That valley has not been located yet simply because this event has not yet occurred.
14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search.
15 And the passengers that pass through the land, when any seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamongog.
16 And also the name of the city shall be Hamonah. Thus shall they cleanse the land.
The following passage is a direct correlation to the Revelation 19 events of Christ's return. Very difficult to miss that because it's also the Zeph.3 and Zech.14 events of God gathering the nations against Israel to pour out His cup of wrath upon them.
17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.
18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.
19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of My sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.
20 Thus ye shall be filled at My table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.
Then look what happens next...
21 And I will set My glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see My judgment that I have executed, and My hand that I have laid upon them.
22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against Me, therefore hid I My face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid My face from them.
25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for My holy name;
26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against Me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, Which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
29 Neither will I hide My face any more from them: for I have poured out My spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
(KJV)
The "house of Israel" are the ten lost tribes of Israel. That event is when God is going to gather them back to the lands of promise. Right now, only remnants of the "house of Judah" are returning to the holy lands, and even the majority of Judah are still not gathered. This gathering of the house of Israel doesn't occur until Christ's returning. It's THAT Ezek.39 Scripture which verifies the end of this present world with the last battle that Christ will come to fight against the nations gathered around Jerusalem. The next Ezek.40 chapter then describes the Millennium Temple at Jerusalem. The name Armageddon in Rev.16 is a symbolic name from the Hebrew for hill of Meggido, a place north of Jerusalem.
You're misunderstanding the locusts of Joel 2. The locusts are not the Gog and Magog army, but the locusts are allied with them. The locusts are not that "northern army" of Gog and Magog that comes upon the mountains of Israel on the last day. The Book of Joel shows us the locusts work in four stages to devour. In Rev.9 we're shown they come to devour men's souls by what comes out of their 'mouths'. God describes them like they are a literal army, and even calls them His army He sent in Joel 2:25. But they are not a literal army, but a symbolic army. The locusts represent the "small people" of Dan.11 that come to power, and setup the "vile person". They are the workers behind the Rev.13:1 beast world kingdom. Those locusts are already... here, working to gather all nations against God's people. Globalist groups like the U.N. specifically are where the locusts are housed today. They along with the Antichrist will also be the ones behind the release of the "northern army" of Gog and Magog upon Israel in final on the day of The Lord.
When you read endtime events in OT prophecy associated with the day of The Lord, you can be sure that's about the final day of this present world, with Christ's coming to defeat His enemies on earth, for that's when our Lord Jesus is to come again. Joel 2 shows the locusts already in power over God's people prior to that day of The Lord event.
Nope. When the Gog invasion starts, that signals the coming of Christ on the last day of this present world, the day of The Lord event that ends the great tribulation.
According to Ezk 38:8, and 38:12, the timing of this event must come before Armageddon. What was "desolate places" are now inhabited. Further, "in the latters years" is not "on the final day". Furthermore, 1/6th of Gog's force is left alive. According to Rev 19, NO ONE is left alive. Also, Ezk 36 & 37 describes the Jews return to Palestine in '48, suggesting these next two chapters follow in close order.
I didn't have much time to respond properly to this, but I felt it necessary to respond quickly.
I didn't have much time to respond properly to this, but I felt it necessary to respond quickly.
To All,
If I might interject once again, -- Daniel 11:40-44 describes the Ezekiel war timetable as preceding the Daniel 11:45 destruction of the one-world-government.
This also agrees with Revelation 17, which defines the seventh world empire (with the last three being concurrent), and the eighth which "was and is not", as it has NO geography, NO population, NO army, etc.
Thus we should fully anticipate that after the Ezekiel event, one shall arise and promise a "peace" which shall last 42 months.
BibleScribe
If I might interject once again, -- Daniel 11:40-44 describes the Ezekiel war timetable as preceding the Daniel 11:45 destruction of the one-world-government.
This also agrees with Revelation 17, which defines the seventh world empire (with the last three being concurrent), and the eighth which "was and is not", as it has NO geography, NO population, NO army, etc.
Thus we should fully anticipate that after the Ezekiel event, one shall arise and promise a "peace" which shall last 42 months.
BibleScribe
According to Ezk 38:8, and 38:12, the timing of this event must come before Armageddon. What was once "desolate places", are now inhabited. This speaks of the return of the Jews from thew Diaspora. Further, "in the latters years" is not "on the final day". Additionally, 1/6th of Gog's force is left alive. According to Rev 19, NO ONE is left alive. Also, Ezk 36 & 37 describes the Jews return to Palestine in '48, suggesting these next two chapters follow in close order.
God also personally forces Gog to invade Israel ( Ezk 38:4 ). Rev 16:13 & 14 show that devils and spirits entice the armies of the world to battle at Armageddon.
Ezk 39:6 may indicate a nuke war ensues as a result of this battle. That would not be fitting for an Armageddon battle....according to scripture. And a Nuke war is also accounted-for in Rev 6:12-17 under the 6th seal. ... not to mention Isa 24. It is my belief that in the aftermath of nuclear war, the AC picks his opportunity to rise to power. And because of the world's people being fearful of what had just transpired, it will make his ascension to power even easier, by promising a "peace". Many times the rising to power of leaders in history followed on the tail of a huge event. This may be no different.
Bottom line: An invasion occurs "in the latter days", whereby God destroys 5/6ths of the invading force with an earthquake, fissures in the earth's crust, culminating in an limited nuclear exchange upon other nations. And this jives perfectly with Rev 12:15 & 16.
Joel 2 also says a northern army invades, and it is removed away from Israel. But, the key note here is that AFTER THE BATTLE, the Dispensation of the Holy Spirit ( Joel 2:28 - 32 ) is sprinkled on all men and women. And they shall PROPHECY. Now why would God need men and women to prophecy AFTER Christ takes command of the earth? No, they prophecy, etc., to get others ready for the GT.
Joel 3 is Armageddon
The "latter years" is a marker for the end of days, the time leading up to Christ's return. These Ezek.38:8-12 verses are about a time immediately prior to Christ's return, and aligns with God's plan to assemble the nations around Jerusalem so as to pour out His wrath upon them (Zephaniah 3:8). Per Zechariah 14, that event is what immediately precedes the "day of the Lord" event, which we know is when Christ returns because of 1 Thess.5 and 2 Pet.3:10.
Ezek 38:8-12
8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.
10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.
(KJV)
So that part is post... 1948. It is still even future to us today, for as of now, we only see that Gog and Magog army forming, getting ready.
Thus, none of that proves the final battle must occur prior to the tribulation.
According to Zech.14, there will be nations left that came up against Jerusalem on that last day.
Rev 19:15-18
15 And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and He treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And He hath on His vesture and on His thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, "Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great."
(KJV)
Those slain are slain by Christ's sword that proceeds out of His mouth. That Rev.19:17 verse is the SAME MESSAGE of Ezek.39...
Ezek 39:17-20
17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to My sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.
18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.
19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of My sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.
20 Thus ye shall be filled at My table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.
(KJV)
Moreover... the following Ezek.38 Scripture is DEFINITELY... a last day time marker...
Ezek 38:18-23
18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that My fury shall come up in My face.
19 For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at My presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.
22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
23 Thus will I magnify Myself, and sanctify Myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.
(KJV)
Now compare that to the Armageddon event per Rev.16...
Rev 16:18-21
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
(KJV)
That's the final 7th Vial, which also is when Christ returns.
Zech 14:16
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
(KJV)
That Zech.14 verse is Christ's Millennium reign time, and those nations there are the same ones of Ezekiel 38-39. Zech.14 gives a detail about the plague they will be destroyed by, their flesh shall consume away while standing upon their feet, their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongues shall consume in their mouths. Past Zech.14:7 is Millennium timing. That event is associated with the Isaiah 25 event, when this flesh age will be over, and everyone will be revealed in the spiritual type body.
Those direct parallels between the Ezek.38 - 39 and Rev.16 & 19 events are unmistakable.
revturmoil
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How do you come up with the destruction of a one world government in this verse.
Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
Hi kaoticprofit,
I believe the verse speaks for itself. Did you read the verse in question?
BibleScribe
I believe the verse speaks for itself. Did you read the verse in question?
BibleScribe
Exactly, instead, that verse reveals the success of the Balfour Declaration for a permanent peace between Israel and the Arabs, which is the very plan the one-world government system is about for the last days. The U.N. organization is heading that plan up for Jerusalem.
The final beast kingdom of ten toes of part iron and part clay just isn't going to mix and gel. The reason should be obvious per God's Word. It's because even if radical Islam signs a lasting peace treaty with Israel, and a third temple is built with sacrifices and temple worship again, it doesn't mean Islam intends to allow that to continue.
The destruction of the coming world government will be when Christ returns, and not before, and that's when the northern army alignment of radical Islamic nations with Russia is going to come against Israel on the last day.
The 8th beast king of Rev.17 is NOT about today's time. It's about another rising of Gog and Magog at the END of Christ's Millennium reign on earth, with their coming up against the "camp of the saints" and "beloved city" that is on earth at Jerusalem...
Rev 20:6-9
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
(KJV)
Hi kaoticprofit,
... ummmmm, by reading the verse in front of it?
BibleScribe
Hi Veteran,
Instead of looking at the batter to determine what the pastry will be, maybe you could look at the ingredients. Have you considered starting at the beginning instead of the middle?
BibleScribe
... ummmmm, by reading the verse in front of it?
BibleScribe
Hi Veteran,
Instead of looking at the batter to determine what the pastry will be, maybe you could look at the ingredients. Have you considered starting at the beginning instead of the middle?
BibleScribe
Hey Veteran,
If the seven heads, the lion/leopard/bear, and the ten horns have some representation, then do you think it would help to resolve ALL aspects, before trying to assign a piece here and a piece there?
I.e., if you don't understand the greater puzzle, assigning a piece with blue as "sky" doesn't mean much.
BibleScribe
PS How many Peace Treaties do you need before you stop seaching?
I don't find our Lord's explanation of the ten horns, ten crowns, and seven heads in Rev.17 that difficult. Of course He was pointing to Dan.7 as a pattern, because that's where those animals were given as beast kingdoms, and He linked that to Rev.13:1 in the Rev.13:2 verse. Thus the first beast of Rev.13:1 represents a beast kingdom to include nations, peoples, tongues, and multitudes, just as the old beast kingdom patterns like Babylon, Greece, etc. If you seem to think that is taking a piece here and piece there to understand the prophecy, then welcome to God's Word, for that's exactly how He gives it to us. It is not all in just one chapter or book of The Bible. God made sure His servants who study all His Word would receive it.
I don't personally need any, for my Heavenly Father only is the Author of Peace. Man can't do it. But for the end time events to occur as written in God's Word, Jerusalem only needs one peace treaty, i.e., the final one that is to occur just prior to Christ's return.
New materials are invented virtually every day. There's miraculum, unobtanium, handwavium, and others. As such, I would observe you apparently have ample quantities of handwavium, for all the slathering.
It clearly appears you are still searching for something already performed. Was the first Peace Treaty lacking in some respect????
BibleScribe
revturmoil
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Well what do you think??? How about just answering my question! How do you come up with a one world government by these verses?
Daniel 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
Hey! I read several replies today and found out that there are others on the forum that often can't figure out where you're coming sometime!
It's called P R O P H E C Y, and H I S T O R Y. Are you subjects new for you?
I can certainly understand why YOU have problems.
BibleScribe
revturmoil
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The problem I have is with you who just can't reply with clarity on anything! Others feel the same way!
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