Israel "the promised land"

[Jay Ross]

You're playing word games. A little child could understand what God means.

What's next? God's gonna plant them in the ground?

You are missing the metaphor's intent.

 

[Jack]

You are missing the metaphor's intent.

Metaphor? That's JW language when they don't like what God said! Which is quite often. lol

 

[David in NJ]

Get a map. It's called Israel!

Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— 25for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children—


26but the Jerusalem Above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Eternal LIFE = JESUS is the Israel of GOD and His Bride is in the Center and She is Called New Jerusalem

Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

5Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”

 

[David in NJ]

The Israel wannabees just keep TOOTING their own horns (LOOK AT ME), otherwise nobody would even notice them. The eyes of the World on TINY Israel, the Land of the Bible. They don't have to TOOT their horns, God does it for them in international news nearly every day!

And this is the REASON why = Matthew chapters 21 thru 24 , Zechariah chapters 13 & 14 , Revelation and Isaiah

5Woe to Assyria, the rod of My anger;
the staff in their hands is My wrath.
6I will send him against a godless nation;
I will dispatch him against a people destined for My rage,
to take spoils and seize plunder,
and to trample them down like clay in the streets.

 

[Jack]

Why aren't all these jealous wannabees in Israel, the Land of the Bible? Hmm?

 

[amigo de christo]

Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— 25for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children—


26but the Jerusalem Above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Eternal LIFE = JESUS is the Israel of GOD and His Bride is in the Center and She is Called New Jerusalem

Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

5Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”

Many cling too the earthern . Which all of that was but a shadow of what was and is to come .
Fullfilled in CHRIST JESUS .
And now the call to enter into the promised land of GOD which is THE TRUE ISRAEL , TRUE ZION
The true and not the shadow . Even that under the shadow was pointing to THE BODY all along .
And the sheep heard and looked for this coming savoir who would one day come .
And HE DID COME . And Was crucified for our sins , and rose again .
And since then till now , IT BE THE HEAVENLY and not the earthen the true sheep do cling too
and also look for to COME such a new land , a new jerusalem , a new city , IN THE NEW heavens and earth .
I shall give you a land f lowing with milk and honey , Has become I SHALL GIVE THEE A LAND , c apitlzed land
as in new heavens n earth kingdom flowing with milk and honey .
And the old earth , the old heavens will have been dissolved , ON the day and the WRATH OF the GREAT GOD and of HIS CHRIST .
Nevetheless , for us we look forward to the new heavens and new earth wherein dwells rigtheousness .
IN THE NEW heav enly LAND known as Beulah land . Sing to the LORD my friend .
For we have come unto the TRUE MOUNT ZION and the HEAVENLY JERSUALEM OF GOD .
Wherein GOD and the lamb are the temple . And that city CANNOT be moved , nor evil enter into it
nor any darkness at all . And one day soon , WE , as did abraham who too looked for a city and maker whose builder was GOD ,
Shall be in SUCH a place . For now we are connected by THE SPIRIT . But we too look for a city to come
WHOSE BUILDER and MAKER IS , this one , I GO TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU . GOD all mighty and the LAMB .
seek only the heavenly my friend . cause as you know
the earthen is in deep deep corruption , AS IS ALL OTHER NATIONS , in bondage and sin
and in upmost rebellion to GOD . MANY a jew and many a gentile, Now recieve
the same ecumenical we shall have peace message . And rebellion to GOD AND HIS CHRIST only INCREASES
by them all . OH the end is coming david . THEIR end awaits them and it wont be good david .
but as for the sheep of his pasture , jew and gentile believers IN JESUS , oh the end will be but paradise forever WITH
HE who has saved us .

 

[amigo de christo]

And this is the REASON why = Matthew chapters 21 thru 24 , Zechariah chapters 13 & 14 , Revelation and Isaiah

5Woe to Assyria, the rod of My anger;
the staff in their hands is My wrath.
6I will send him against a godless nation;
I will dispatch him against a people destined for My rage,
to take spoils and seize plunder,
and to trample them down like clay in the streets.

this people needs to quit pointing to the shadow and start pointing TO THE BODY .
just a friendly reminder for us all . But the body IS OF CHRIST . time for JESUS POINTING
cause the flesh will not profit a jew or a gentile . For that which is born of the flesh is FLESH .
But that which is born of the Spirit is SPIRIT . HE who b eleives that JESUS is the CHRIST , the SON OF GOD
that GOD rose him from the dead , Are born of GOD
but he who rejects and he who also claims to beleive YET follows an anti christ lie that all other religoins
serve teh same GOD we do , THEY FAITH IS DEAD and in vain and will not profit them at all ON THE DAY OF THE TRUE KING JESUS .
YE cannot cliam to BELIEVE and yet turn around and preach UNBLEIEF and a lie .
AND any who do so will be damned with and by the fiercness and wrath of THE LAMB .
For all it ever was that they loved , was NOT THE TRUTH , or they had preached it
NOPE they loved a lie that simply cannot save them false religons , NOR ANY WHO DO Partake of its
ecmeincal intefaith interreligious LIE of anti Christ .
EITHER WE BELEIVE or we dont BELIEVE . but it cannot BE both . and it will not be BOTH .
either one loves the TRUTH or they simply lov e a lie . AND IT cANNOT be both and it will not be both .
TIME for the sheep to examine well themselves and see JUST who or WHO we really
been following and trusting in all along .
Was it men of another jesus , OR WAS IT JESUS . a hint , those who compromise
and omit the words of JESUS , YEAH THEY NO FOLLOW JESUS . they follow men and love a lie .

 

[Davy]

That won't help the wannabees trying to steal Israel's identity and Land of the Bible. The Land of the Bible is theirs and it will stay theirs. NOBODY can take it from them.

15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

And He did!

Those who returned in 1948, and even now, are the Jews. Only a small portion of those are actual Israelites of the seed. So the majority of all 12 tribes are not... there yet today, not returning. If you'd take the time to study 1 Kings 11 about God's split of old Israel into two nations, and only at Christ's future coming are they put back together in the land per Ezekiel 37, then you'd understand. But right now rooting for those in Israel that you think are true Israelites of the seed, that only involves the a 'remnant' of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, and a small remnant of the northern ten tribes that rejected Jeroboam's calf idol worship in the north and went south to Jerusalem and joined with Judah.

The majority of the true seed of the "house of Judah" today are still scattered in the nations, and many of them are among the scattered ten tribes in the same locations. This is why Apostle James addressed all 12 tribes scattered abroad.

 

[stevesonthebay]

I could imagine it was like an oasis after being in the desert for so long. Not just a beautiful and rich land environmentally and blessed by God. But the opposite of where they came from. Like a treasure at the end of a long journey to savor.

I think this was a rich argricultural land as many other tribes and peoples lived in the same region. Back 3,000 years ago the whole area even across to Egypt would have been more lush with rivers and valleys. This is usually where people settle.

An interesting fact is that when Isreal gained the Negev which was mainly desert in 1948 when declared an independent nation. It comprised of 60% of their landmass and was arid. They reworked the soil and turned this into a fertile area now producing 40% of their crops. So even the land that was left for dead still has life in it.

 

[Davy]

The Israel wannabees just keep TOOTING their own horns (LOOK AT ME), otherwise nobody would even notice them. The eyes of the World on TINY Israel, the Land of the Bible. They don't have to TOOT their horns, God does it for them in international news nearly every day!

You are misguided, just as many brethren are about who all occupies the nation of Israel today. I'm trying to help you go to God's Word about this.

Read the following, or don't, then it will be for others that are interested in deeper Bible study:

1. Per 1 Kings 11, when God split old Israel into two separate kingdoms, and gave ten tribes to Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim to be "king of Israel" in the northern land of Israel, He also said He would always leave one tribe at Jerusalem for Jerusalem's and David's sake, and that this division would not be forever. To this day the majority of the two groups are still separated, and won't be joined back together in the land until Christ's 2nd coming (Ezek.37).

2. In Jeremiah 24, God showed His prophet Jeremiah two baskets of figs to represent two different groups of peoples in the land of Israel after the Jews returned back to Jerusalem-Judea from their Babylon captivity by Nebuchadnezzar.

God pointed to the good basket of figs to represent Judah (meaning the "house of Judah", the southern kingdom made up of 3 tribes of Israel). That means the true seed of Israel involving the 3 tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, and a small remnant from the northern ten tribes (See 2 Chronicles 11).

But about the other basket, the basket of evil figs, God pointed to those as joined with Judah back to the land also, and they would be a taunt and a curse. That's the false Jews, foreigners that crept in among true Judah long, long ago (Canaanites, Idumeans, etc., not born of the seed of Israel). These represent the foreigners that crept into Moses' seat, the "tares" of Christ's parable of the wheat and tares, the "brute beasts" of 2 Peter 2:12 and Jude 10, the "certain men crept in unawares" of Jude 4.

This is who is there in the nation of Israel today, and that returned from Babylon as Jews in 1948. The majority of the true Jews of the seed are still scattered in the nations today, and many are members of Christ's Church. God promised per that Jeremiah 24 prophecy that He would bring Judah back to the land and not pluck them up anymore. As of today, 1948 fulfilled that, unless they are taken again and dispersed again like the Romans did in 70 A.D. But so far as of today, that prophecy of God returning JUDAH stands as fulfilled.

Jer 24:5-8
5 Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans for their good.
6 For I will set Mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up.
7 And I will give them an heart to know Me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be My people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto Me with their whole heart.

The above is about only the "house of Judah" (Jews of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, a small number of remnants from the ten tribes). Those are the TRUE SEED of Israel.

8 And as the evil figs, which cannot be eaten, they are so evil; surely thus saith the LORD, So will I give Zedekiah the king of Judah, and his princes, and the residue of Jerusalem, that remain in this land, and them that dwell in the land of Egypt:
KJV

These of verse 8 are the foreigners that crept in among the Jews throughout Israel's history (See Judges 2 & 3; Joshua 9; Ezra 2). These are the Canaanite leftovers of the nations of Canaan which Israel was not able to destroy per God's commandment. So God said He would leave them to dwell among Israel to test them with. They are the ones who sought to have Lord Jesus crucified, following Him around trying to trap Him with something so they could have Him delivered up to the Romans. Sound familiar? It should, Nebuchadnezzar's prophets did the same kind of evil to Daniel and his fellows to have them delivered up to be killed.

3. When God ended the Israelite kingdom in the land in the days of Zedekiah, king of Judah, He brought Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, upon Jerusalem-Judea and he destroyed Jerusalem and the temple, and took those of the "house of Judah" there captive to Babylon. God had prophesied about this through His prophet Jeremiah, and told His people to go to Babylon and He would take care of them. God did take care of them while they were captive in Babylon; their numbers increased, and they got so comfortable there that only a small remnant of those Jews actually returned to Jerusalem to rebuild the city and 2nd temple.

None of this Babylon captivity by Neb was about the northern ten tribes. The ten northern tribes had already been removed by the kings of Assyria about 120 years before Judah's captivity to Babylon. In the Jewish historian Josephus' said in his day (around 100 A.D.) the ten tribes were still scattered beyond Euphrates, and were a great many people, too many to be counted.

4. Zedekiah, king of Judah (meaning the southern "kingdom of Judah", not the ten tribes), was the last... king of the house of David to sit upon a throne in Jerusalem. To this day no king of the true seed of Israel has sat upon a throne there. Herod, who was made puppet king by the Romans was an Edomite of the seed of Esau, Jacob's brother. Herod took the name Jew, but was not of the seed of Israel.

Per Genesis 49:10, Jacob giving prophecy to his 12 sons about the 'last days', said that the royal sceptre would not depart from Judah until Shiloh (Jesus) returns, and it would then be given Him (Jesus). That means... still today, David's earthly throne is still supposed to be somewhere on earth, with one of the seed of Israel ruling upon it, just not in Jerusalem.

God has a Birthright, which is about the Blessings He first gave to and through Abraham. The majority of those Blessings ARE NO LONGER IN THE HOLY LAND NATION OF ISRAEL. I have to stress that, because God moved David's throne, and Jesus said the Jew's house would be left desolate, and so it has been. Sorry, but they are not... the major crop producers of the world, nor of wine, nor of corn and wheat, etc. What the nation of Israel produces today cannot match what the Christian nations produce. Plenty of corn (wheat) and wine was one of the Blessings God gave to the seed of Israel, and that followed The Gospel locations on earth.

 

[Jack]

Ezekiel 36:24-28
24 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land.
25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols.
26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.
28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.

Amen Jesus!

 

[Jack]

Those who returned in 1948, and even now, are the Jews. Only a small portion of those are actual Israelites of the seed. So the majority of all 12 tribes are not... there yet today, not returning. If you'd take the time to study 1 Kings 11 about God's split of old Israel into two nations, and only at Christ's future coming are they put back together in the land per Ezekiel 37, then you'd understand. But right now rooting for those in Israel that you think are true Israelites of the seed, that only involves the a 'remnant' of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, and a small remnant of the northern ten tribes that rejected Jeroboam's calf idol worship in the north and went south to Jerusalem and joined with Judah.

The majority of the true seed of the "house of Judah" today are still scattered in the nations, and many of them are among the scattered ten tribes in the same locations. This is why Apostle James addressed all 12 tribes scattered abroad.

Gee, I wonder why the Israel wannabees aren't in Israel.

 

[Jack]

You are misguided, just as many brethren are about who all occupies the nation of Israel today.

I'm pretty sure you ain't Israel.

 

[Davy]

I'm pretty sure you ain't Israel.

I'm pretty sure that I probably am. No matter though, because BOTH believing Israelites and believing Gentiles make up Christ's Church, and will inherit with faithful Abraham IN THE LAND OF ISRAEL in the middle east, and the New Jerusalem comes down from Heaven to FLATTEN that area, and destroy 7,000 of the servants of the devil there with Lord Jesus Christ's coming.

Rev 11:13-15
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever."
KJV

 

[Jack]

I'm pretty sure that I probably am.

So you think you're Israel? lol

No matter though, because BOTH believing Israelites and believing Gentiles make up Christ's Church, and will inherit with faithful Abraham IN THE LAND OF ISRAEL in the middle east, and the New Jerusalem comes down from Heaven to FLATTEN that area, and destroy 7,000 of the servants of the devil there with Lord Jesus Christ's coming.

Rev 11:13-15
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever."
KJV

Why aren't you in International news constantly like Israel in the Land of the Bible???????

 

[Jay Ross]

Metaphor? That's JW language when they don't like what God said!

You are still missing the point

 

[Jack]

You are still missing the point

I got YOUR point. You're trying to rewrite the Bible. Do you think you're Israel, as the wannabees do?

 

[Davy]

So you think you're Israel? lol

Why aren't you in International news constantly like Israel in the Land of the Bible???????

Your mind is definitely not in the right place, nor are you right with God.

 

[Jack]

Your mind is definitely not in the right place, nor are you right with God.

You think you're Israel and say MY mind is not in the right place? lol

You need to read the CURSE of God. A clear warning to identity thieves trying to steal Israel's identity.

 

[markalan]

You are misguided, just as many brethren are about who all occupies the nation of Israel today. I'm trying to help you go to God's Word about this.

Read the following, or don't, then it will be for others that are interested in deeper Bible study:

1. Per 1 Kings 11, when God split old Israel into two separate kingdoms, and gave ten tribes to Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim to be "king of Israel" in the northern land of Israel, He also said He would always leave one tribe at Jerusalem for Jerusalem's and David's sake, and that this division would not be forever. To this day the majority of the two groups are still separated, and won't be joined back together in the land until Christ's 2nd coming (Ezek.37).

2. In Jeremiah 24, God showed His prophet Jeremiah two baskets of figs to represent two different groups of peoples in the land of Israel after the Jews returned back to Jerusalem-Judea from their Babylon captivity by Nebuchadnezzar.

God pointed to the good basket of figs to represent Judah (meaning the "house of Judah", the southern kingdom made up of 3 tribes of Israel). That means the true seed of Israel involving the 3 tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, and a small remnant from the northern ten tribes (See 2 Chronicles 11).

But about the other basket, the basket of evil figs, God pointed to those as joined with Judah back to the land also, and they would be a taunt and a curse. That's the false Jews, foreigners that crept in among true Judah long, long ago (Canaanites, Idumeans, etc., not born of the seed of Israel). These represent the foreigners that crept into Moses' seat, the "tares" of Christ's parable of the wheat and tares, the "brute beasts" of 2 Peter 2:12 and Jude 10, the "certain men crept in unawares" of Jude 4.

This is who is there in the nation of Israel today, and that returned from Babylon as Jews in 1948. The majority of the true Jews of the seed are still scattered in the nations today, and many are members of Christ's Church. God promised per that Jeremiah 24 prophecy that He would bring Judah back to the land and not pluck them up anymore. As of today, 1948 fulfilled that, unless they are taken again and dispersed again like the Romans did in 70 A.D. But so far as of today, that prophecy of God returning JUDAH stands as fulfilled.

Jer 24:5-8
5 Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans for their good.
6 For I will set Mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up.
7 And I will give them an heart to know Me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be My people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto Me with their whole heart.

The above is about only the "house of Judah" (Jews of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, a small number of remnants from the ten tribes). Those are the TRUE SEED of Israel.

8 And as the evil figs, which cannot be eaten, they are so evil; surely thus saith the LORD, So will I give Zedekiah the king of Judah, and his princes, and the residue of Jerusalem, that remain in this land, and them that dwell in the land of Egypt:
KJV

These of verse 8 are the foreigners that crept in among the Jews throughout Israel's history (See Judges 2 & 3; Joshua 9; Ezra 2). These are the Canaanite leftovers of the nations of Canaan which Israel was not able to destroy per God's commandment. So God said He would leave them to dwell among Israel to test them with. They are the ones who sought to have Lord Jesus crucified, following Him around trying to trap Him with something so they could have Him delivered up to the Romans. Sound familiar? It should, Nebuchadnezzar's prophets did the same kind of evil to Daniel and his fellows to have them delivered up to be killed.

3. When God ended the Israelite kingdom in the land in the days of Zedekiah, king of Judah, He brought Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, upon Jerusalem-Judea and he destroyed Jerusalem and the temple, and took those of the "house of Judah" there captive to Babylon. God had prophesied about this through His prophet Jeremiah, and told His people to go to Babylon and He would take care of them. God did take care of them while they were captive in Babylon; their numbers increased, and they got so comfortable there that only a small remnant of those Jews actually returned to Jerusalem to rebuild the city and 2nd temple.

None of this Babylon captivity by Neb was about the northern ten tribes. The ten northern tribes had already been removed by the kings of Assyria about 120 years before Judah's captivity to Babylon. In the Jewish historian Josephus' said in his day (around 100 A.D.) the ten tribes were still scattered beyond Euphrates, and were a great many people, too many to be counted.

4. Zedekiah, king of Judah (meaning the southern "kingdom of Judah", not the ten tribes), was the last... king of the house of David to sit upon a throne in Jerusalem. To this day no king of the true seed of Israel has sat upon a throne there. Herod, who was made puppet king by the Romans was an Edomite of the seed of Esau, Jacob's brother. Herod took the name Jew, but was not of the seed of Israel.

Per Genesis 49:10, Jacob giving prophecy to his 12 sons about the 'last days', said that the royal sceptre would not depart from Judah until Shiloh (Jesus) returns, and it would then be given Him (Jesus). That means... still today, David's earthly throne is still supposed to be somewhere on earth, with one of the seed of Israel ruling upon it, just not in Jerusalem.

God has a Birthright, which is about the Blessings He first gave to and through Abraham. The majority of those Blessings ARE NO LONGER IN THE HOLY LAND NATION OF ISRAEL. I have to stress that, because God moved David's throne, and Jesus said the Jew's house would be left desolate, and so it has been. Sorry, but they are not... the major crop producers of the world, nor of wine, nor of corn and wheat, etc. What the nation of Israel produces today cannot match what the Christian nations produce. Plenty of corn (wheat) and wine was one of the Blessings God gave to the seed of Israel, and that followed The Gospel locations on earth.

Your understanding appears to be based on an unsupported assumption that the people in Israel today are not from all the tribes of Israel: ("The majority of the true Jews of the seed are still scattered in the nations today").,