It is what it shouldn't be

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Big Boy Johnson

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Oh. Good ole' internet.

So they CHEAT.

Maybe the internet could cook for you too....

Printing something up is far different from being able to cook.

Did you have problems understanding that?

Anybody can print some stuff up, but not everyone can cook
 

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Printing something up is far different from being able to cook.

Did you have problems understanding that?

Anybody can print some stuff up, but not everyone can cook
OK
Gotcha.

Why continue with this conversation?
No reason to.
 
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It seems to me that a variety of sensations exist by which we can ascertain degrees of confidence in the validity of an idea by how it responds to inquiry in the course of investigation through contemplation which is inquiry driven by motivated answer seeking.

Each word expresses a sense, and senses modify senses as words modify the meaning of associated words. More words are necessary for more associations as more senses are required for greater clarity of whatever is seeking to be ascertained by them.

For example, we cannot organize our day without a sense of time. We cannot know the precise duration of an event anticipated, but experience can accumulate into skills which permit us to function in such a manner so as to plan far into a future as opaque to us as the abundance of patterns we do not perceive within ourselves, let alone all around us.

We can sense truth.

We already associate pattern with truth, as it is this element of truth which is seized by propaganda to pervert meaning and pollute intent. Insofar as people can be convinced of the trustworthiness of a machine to disseminate the inarguably articulated truth, we see the events of John's Revelation unfolding before us at present.

AI is being used to kill that sense in all who put their faith in the world. Corporations have pushed it unwelcomed to the point of ubiquity for what they stand to gain from the information it collects. The blinded rulers of the world are salivating at visions of their own potential present deification.

Of what import are these statements? Why all this negativity? We can sense truth. This is a good thing. This is wonderful, proof present within each of us that Jesus Christ is the King of kings and Lord of lords, and the God Whom He calls Father is the Supreme Deity, the LORD, the Creator.

I do not believe the Most High would share His supremacy, as He declared to Israel that He is One, or the Shema as the Jews would call it today. Jesus is the Son of God who walked among us as a servant leader to show for all His qualifications for the supremacy bestowed upon Him, which stands second only to the one and only Creator God, to Whom belongs all glory.

I believe this is a truth long forgotten by the deceived Christians of today who take their enemies for leaders and their assailants for charity cases while paying little mind to their Bibles. Despite access to all digitized information replete with organization and automated translation (albeit rife with bias, inflation, and degradation), or perhaps because of it, most seem hesitant to pursue the answers which are most important to them.

People are afraid to consider ideas of depth in the open. Could it be that they do not trust their own handling of these faculties by which they operate? Why do these feathers get so ruffled if we are all after the same God? Doesn't He facilitate wherever He is welcomed?

But when Cesar asked Jesus, "what is truth?" No response was succintly delivered to us. The truth is eternal and we only come into a fuller awareness thereof within the light of God. And the presence of truth is always made evident by the fruit, as James taught.
 
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But when Cesar asked Jesus, "what is truth?" No response was succintly delivered to us.

Only those that don't know God's Word would say that.

Jesus gave us an exact definition of what TRUTH is:

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)
 

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Only those that don't know God's Word would say that.

Jesus gave us an exact definition of what TRUTH is:

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

What?

What is it to define something? Is "ALL Truth" and "God's Word" a sufficient response to cesar's question so as to silence all objection and prevent the death of Christ under his 'authority'?
 

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What is it to define something? Is "ALL Truth" and "God's Word" a sufficient response to cesar's question so as to silence all objection and prevent the death of Christ under his 'authority'?

Hey if you think Jesus got it wrong then by all means take it up with Him.

Go ahead, try to correct the Lord and see where you end up.

John 17:17
Sanctify them through Thy Truth: Thy word is Truth.

John 16:13
Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will shew you things to come.

And, let's keep in mind that in the Gospel of John, it was Pilate asking Jesus, "What is truth?" after Jesus said He was witness to the truth.

Dude you gotta read all the things God's Word says about a topic so you can get the whole picture.

And Pilate was not thirsting and hungering for righteousness so Jesus did not spend time teaching him more about what Truth is.
 

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Hey if you think Jesus got it wrong then by all means take it up with Him.

Now your response is clearer to me. You miss entirely the point of the post to which you were responding. But this is because you can identify truth as found in Scripture, but not the Truth from which Scripture came.
 

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No, I noticed the accusation coming from satan accusing the Lord of not answering Pilate's question

Demons are speaking thru you in case you weren't aware

That was what you interpreted. You recognize my voice and you call it demonic. Recursion is marvelous and the wheels are glorious.
 

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“It is what it shouldn’t be.”

It won’t always and forever be.
 

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“It is what it shouldn’t be.”

I fundamentally disagree with this statement as I believe God when He says He is:

omnipotent; all-powerful;
omnipresent; all-being;
omniscient; all-knowing;
irresistible; all-glorious.

To determine for ourselves that the present is not as it ought to be according to the Word of God, then by God's truth one declares that He has been somehow foiled, stumped, resisted, overcome, beaten, or otherwise shown to be anything other than what He clearly states Himself to Be.
 

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I fundamentally disagree with this statement as I believe God when He says He is:

omnipotent; all-powerful;
omnipresent; all-being;
omniscient; all-knowing;
irresistible; all-glorious.

To determine for ourselves that the present is not as it ought to be according to the Word of God, then by God's truth one declares that He has been somehow foiled, stumped, resisted, overcome, beaten, or otherwise shown to be anything other than what He clearly states Himself to Be.

I quoted the title of the thread and then responded with an allusion to the restoration of all things (Acts 3:21).
 

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I quoted the title of the thread and then responded with an allusion to the restoration of all things (Acts 3:21).

But you said "it won't always and forever be," which is your agreement with the statement it followed, is it not?

I mean, saying it won't "always be" what you just said "it is" which is "that which it should not be" means

You agree that the present is not as it should be.
 

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That was what you interpreted. You recognize my voice and you call it demonic. Recursion is marvelous and the wheels are glorious.

You said: "when Cesar asked Jesus, "what is truth?" No response was succinctly delivered to us" not knowing it was Pilate that asked the question not that Caesar Salad guy and you claimed no response was provided by Jesus

You obviously fancy yourself as a smart educated person which is laughable seeing you aren't accepting of what the Lord says in His Word concerning the definition of what Truth is. Not very marvelous or glorious. crazy.gif
 

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But you said "it won't always and forever be," which is your agreement with the statement it followed, is it not?

I mean, saying it won't "always be" what you just said "it is" which is "that which it should not be" means

You agree that the present is not as it should be.

I‘m saying that what is now fallen will be restored to perfection and will remain that way forever.
 

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I‘m saying that what is now fallen will be restored to perfection and will remain that way forever.

You believe in universalism?

Claiming all that has fallen will be made right, and even satan and his demons will be restored to fellowship with God?
 

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I‘m saying that what is now fallen will be restored to perfection and will remain that way forever.

You believe in universalism?

Claiming all that has fallen will be made right, and even satan and his demons will be restored to fellowship with God?


Do you not embrace Acts 3:21?

Acts 3:21
Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

That's referring to the Lord coming back unto absolute control of all of His creation after this age we are in now

You must have forgotten that the Lord gave man dominion over the earth in Genesis which is why the world is in darkness now.

We see in the Book of Hebrews that Jesus has not assumed full control over this world yet:

Hebrews 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. for in that
He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put
under Him. But now we see not yet all things put under Him

And, we also see that the devil is called the god of this world which
will not change until Jesus returns to start His 1000 year reign and
throws the devil and his demons in to hell.

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which
believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who
is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Jesus speaking of the devil, says he is the prince of this world.

John 14:30
the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

And we see that the last enemy put under foot is death which has not happened as of yet.

1 Corinthians 15:26
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
 

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You believe in universalism?

Claiming all that has fallen will be made right, and even satan and his demons will be restored to fellowship with God?




Acts 3:21
Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

That's referring to the Lord coming back unto absolute control of all of His creation after this age we are in now

You must have forgotten that the Lord gave man dominion over the earth in Genesis which is why the world is in darkness now.

We see in the Book of Hebrews that Jesus has not assumed full control over this world yet:

Hebrews 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. for in that
He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put
under Him. But now we see not yet all things put under Him

And, we also see that the devil is called the god of this world which
will not change until Jesus returns to start His 1000 year reign and
throws the devil and his demons in to hell.

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which
believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who
is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Jesus speaking of the devil, says he is the prince of this world.

John 14:30
the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

And we see that the last enemy put under foot is death which has not happened as of yet.

1 Corinthians 15:26
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

I haven’t forgotten anything. I’m not a universalist and I embrace Acts 3:21.