Jehovah’s Witness doctor allegedly refused to conduct a life-saving blood transfusion due to religious beliefs

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Still though we must be careful, as I am sure you are aware your state government in NSW passed some legislation allowing nurses and midwives to give abortion medication.

The massive problem is in the original form of the legislation, these healthcare workers were going to be forced to take part in abortions even if it went against their conscience, thankfully that requirement was dropped.

Now I know we are talking about blood transfusions here, however this is an example of how far requiring doctors to do something that goes against their conscience can go. In this situation with the JW, is the patient should have been referred to someone else immediately as it's a matter of life and death.
I fully agree…..if there is the slightest chance that things could go wrong then the patient and their family have a right to request another doctor, which in our large hospitals is an easier task, but apparently not so in what someone described as a “primitive” medical facility. For the people concerned, who appear in their photographs to be anything but poor, why use such a facility for the births of all their children? I’d be interested to hear the whole story…..not just one side of an alleged one.
 
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In Western medicine that would never happen. Doctors know that malpractice could cost them their license, so another doctor would have been called if there was a problem like that here in the West. But for every patient there is a judgment call on what treatment is considered best practice….so it is up to the doctor.

The religion of the doctor should never be a determining factor in the treatment given or declined…. It’s the patient’s decision. But in emergency situations decisions must be made quickly. As I said, death in childbirth in Nigeria is very common taking up 2 out of the 5 most common causes of death in that country.

Too much of that story doesn’t add up…and people are trusting FaceBook to tell the truth…when it’s the home of Nigerian scammers.
In Western medicine that would never happen. Doctors know that malpractice could cost them their license, so another doctor would have been called if there was a problem like that here in the West. But for every patient there is a judgment call on what treatment is considered best practice….so it is up to the doctor.

The religion of the doctor should never be a determining factor in the treatment given or declined…. It’s the patient’s decision. But in emergency situations decisions must be made quickly. As I said, death in childbirth in Nigeria is very common taking up 2 out of the 5 most common causes of death in that country.

Too much of that story doesn’t add up…and people are trusting FaceBook to tell the truth…when it’s the home of Nigerian scammers.
This is Nigeria, not the so called western world. Also according to other sources, the husband was going to have his wife transferred to another hospital, but she died.
 

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Agreed.
It's called, Disfellowshipping. I checked.


JW.Org​

How to Treat a Disfellowshipped Person​


Few things can hurt us more deeply than the pain we suffer when a relative or a close friend is expelled from the congregation for unrepentant sin. How we respond to the Bible’s direction on this matter can reveal the depth of our love for God and of our loyalty to his arrangement. a Consider some questions that arise on this subject.
How should we treat a disfellowshipped person? The Bible says: “Stop keeping company with anyone called a brother who is sexually immoral or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man.” (1 Corinthians 5:11) Regarding everyone who “does not remain in the teaching of the Christ,” we read: “Do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works.” (2 John 9-11) We do not have spiritual or social fellowship with disfellowshipped ones. The Watchtower of September 15, 1981, page 25, stated: “A simple ‘Hello’ to someone can be the first step that develops into a conversation and maybe even a friendship. Would we want to take that first step with a disfellowshiped person?”
Is strict avoidance really necessary? Yes, for several reasons. First, it is a matter of loyalty to God and his Word. We obey Jehovah not only when it is convenient but also when doing so presents real challenges. Love for God moves us to obey all his commandments, recognizing that he is just and loving and that his laws promote the greatest good. (Isaiah 48:17; 1 John 5:3) Second, withdrawing from an unrepentant wrongdoer protects us and the rest of the congregation from spiritual and moral contamination and upholds the congregation’s good name. (1 Corinthians 5:6, 7) Third, our firm stand for Bible principles may even benefit the disfellowshipped one. By supporting the decision of the judicial committee, we may touch the heart of a wrongdoer who thus far has failed to respond to the efforts of the elders to assist him. Losing precious fellowship with loved ones may help him to come “to his senses,” see the seriousness of his wrong, and take steps to return to Jehovah.—Luke 15:17.
What if a relative is disfellowshipped? In such a case, the close bond between family members can pose a real test of loyalty. How should we treat a disfellowshipped relative? We cannot here cover every situation that may arise, but let us focus on two basic ones.
In some instances, the disfellowshipped family member may still be living in the same home as part of the immediate household. Since his being disfellowshipped does not sever the family ties, normal day-to-day family activities and dealings may continue. Yet, by his course, the individual has chosen to break the spiritual bond between him and his believing family. So loyal family members can no longer have spiritual fellowship with him. For example, if the disfellowshipped one is present, he would not participate when the family gets together for family worship. However, if the disfellowshipped one is a minor child, the parents are still responsible to instruct and discipline him. Hence, loving parents may arrange to conduct a Bible study with the child. bProverbs 6:20-22; 29:17.
In other cases, the disfellowshipped relative may be living outside the immediate family circle and home. Although there might be a need for limited contact on some rare occasion to care for a necessary family matter, any such contact should be kept to a minimum. Loyal Christian family members do not look for excuses to have dealings with a disfellowshipped relative not living at home. Rather, loyalty to Jehovah and his organization moves them to uphold the Scriptural arrangement of disfellowshipping. Their loyal course has the best interests of the wrongdoer at heart and may help him to benefit from the discipline received. cHebrews 12:11.
a Bible principles on this subject apply equally to those who disassociate themselves from the congregation.
b For more information about disfellowshipped minor children living in the home, see The Watchtower of October 1, 2001, pages 16-17, and November 15, 1988, page 20.
c For more information about how to treat disfellowshipped relatives, see the Scriptural counsel discussed in The Watchtower of April 15, 1988, pages 26-31, and September 15, 1981, pages 26-31.
The Governing Body should be disfellowshipped, since they have a database of tens of thousands of pedophiles in their association. They know Exactly who they are and where they attend meetings and they have never notified the congregations or the authorities.
 
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The Governing Bidy should be disfellowshipped, since they have a database of tens of thousands of pedophiles in their association. They know Exactly who they are and where they attend meetings and they have never notified the congregations or the authorities.
That's disturbing. And to think their members are upset when refered to as a cult.
Now,with that information, satanic cult seems fitting.

Maybe a hacker will get that information and put it on the net.
Even the press.

If all that comes out I wonder if their 501(c)3 tax exemption will be yanked?

NMBLA's was pulled years ago. How those pervs got it in the first place is the question.
 

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The Governing Bidy should be disfellowshipped, since they have a database of tens of thousands of pedophiles in their association. They know Exactly who they are and where they attend meetings and they have never notified the congregations or the authorities.
“The biggest communication problem is we do not listen to understand. We listen to reply.”
This is your own signature….Let your words come back to you.

The hypocrisy is evident….

This story has not even been proven to be true…..and yet here you are doubling down, just so that you can appear to have a case against an alleged JW doctor in Nigeria, whom you know nothing about….now it spreads to pedophiles who supposedly exist in our ranks……can you tell me what organization on earth is free of these predators? Would you like to go after the Catholic Church or any other church…or even the Boy Scouts? They are very good at hiding what they are.

The other problem with this very emotive subject is providing proof in a legal setting. These crimes have no eye witnesses. Thankfully the law now provides more protection for the children concerned, but in times past the law was brutal for the victims who had to face their abusers in court and be taken apart by determined defense lawyers, intent on getting their clients off the hook. Judges were mainly men and sex crimes were not seen as important in those days. The victims were more traumatized by the judicial process than the actual crime. Today we have a very strong policy on these things.

Do you understand that no one who repents, and serves their time, continues to be guilty unless they reoffend? Are we the judge of what is in their hearts? Isn’t it a good thing to make sure that these ones are known to the elders, and that someone is keeping an eye on them in the congregation without drawing attention to their former course? Would you like to wear a sign around your neck for something you did in the past and paid for under the law? You act as if every pedophile should be punished forever…..like they can never be forgiven or change their ways…..they can repent too and undergo therapy. How about you examine your own heart and ask why Jesus should be the judge of these people and not you or me?

Your appeals are to emotion, not justice.
Shame on you again for keeping this disgusting thread going. It is nothing more than a witch hunt.
 

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“The biggest communication problem is we do not listen to understand. We listen to reply.”
This is your own signature….Let your words come back to you.

The hypocrisy is evident….

This story has not even been proven to be true…..and yet here you are doubling down, just so that you can appear to have a case against an alleged JW doctor in Nigeria, whom you know nothing about….now it spreads to pedophiles who supposedly exist in our ranks……can you tell me what organization on earth is free of these predators? Would you like to go after the Catholic Church or any other church…or even the Boy Scouts? They are very good at hiding what they are.

The other problem with this very emotive subject is providing proof in a legal setting. These crimes have no eye witnesses. Thankfully the law now provides more protection for the children concerned, but in times past the law was brutal for the victims who had to face their abusers in court and be taken apart by determined defense lawyers, intent on getting their clients off the hook. Judges were mainly men and sex crimes were not seen as important in those days. The victims were more traumatized by the judicial process than the actual crime. Today we have a very strong policy on these things.

Do you understand that no one who repents, and serves their time, continues to be guilty unless they reoffend? Are we the judge of what is in their hearts? Isn’t it a good thing to make sure that these ones are known to the elders, and that someone is keeping an eye on them in the congregation without drawing attention to their former course? Would you like to wear a sign around your neck for something you did in the past and paid for under the law? You act as if every pedophile should be punished forever…..like they can never be forgiven or change their ways…..they can repent too and undergo therapy. How about you examine your own heart and ask why Jesus should be the judge of these people and not you or me?

Your appeals are to emotion, not justice.
Shame on you again for keeping this disgusting thread going. It is nothing more than a witch hunt.
At this point, I don't believe you are a JW.

I think you pretend to be one so to inject conflict into a Christian forum.

You deny a woman died because a JW Doctor refused a blood transfusion.

Now you deny the case of pedophiles in the JW organization.
You deny,deny,deny. You don't actually know anything about any of this


A Secret Database of Child Abuse

A former Jehovah's Witness is using stolen documents to expose allegations that the religion has kept hidden for decades.
By Douglas Quenqua
Photography by Lexey Swall
March 22, 2019





BBC

Jehovah's Witnesses to compensate woman over sex abuse

19 June 2015
A woman who claimed Jehovah's Witness elders failed to protect her from sex abuse carried out by a paedophile has won a £275,000 payout.
The woman, now in her 20s, alleges she was abused as a child in Loughborough by ministerial servant Peter Stewart.
She had argued at London's High Court that he used his role to abuse her.
A judge ruled the organisation was liable for the abuse because it failed to take "safeguarding steps" after Stewart admitted abusing another child.


Readers,do your own research . A cult has destroyed the lives of children for years. DENIAL of wrong doing,obscuring FACTS, is how they got away with it.

 

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DENIAL of wrong doing,obscuring FACTS, is how they got away with it.
Sounds like Christian Daystar television. (And others...)

So, before throwing more mud, lets start cleaning up the problems in the Pentecostal, ( and others) Christian Churches and leave the JW organization for what it is.
 
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Thank you @Triumph1300 ….a voice of reason.

It scares me to see this “lynch mob mentality“ all based on hear-say and unsubstantiated allegations.…all too willing to accuse, slander and cause trouble because of nothing but unbridled prejudice.

All I can say is, thank God that Jesus is our judge and not these people.
 

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Sounds like Christian Daystar television. (And others...)

So, before throwing more mud, lets start cleaning up the problems in the Pentecostal, ( and others) Christian Churches and leave the JW organization for what it is.
That's inexcusable.

Derailing attention from JW serial pedophilia is depraved when combined with the statement, leave the JW organization for what it is.

Which is, per the links and lawsuit proof,A
SERIAL PEDOPHILE CULT.
And you want to leave it for what it is.

And distract from those satanic offenses to point at DAYSTAR and Pentecostals.

There's something wrong with you
 

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Coming from someone who thinks JW Pedophilia should be left alone, you and your accomplice are that
I never said it should be left alone.
I pointed out that these things also happen in Christian churches and that we need to deal with that.
Don't put words in my mouth.

I am not a JW. And I know what's going on.

I rather say "Fix our own problems."
Because there are many.
 
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I think we should pay attention when people distract from this tragedy by injecting irrelevant posts .

It isn't garbage that a family mourns the kids of a woman who will never see her baby grow up.
This happened! It's a fact.
The JW cult has gotten away with a lot of unconscionable sins and for years.

Readers here witness how that happens. Denial,cover-up, distractions.
God will have his day. And they who are responsible for all that proliferation of evil will answer for every word.

May 17, Relative Shares Last Word of Woman Who Died in Private Hospital After Delivering Through CS Read more: Relative shares last words of pregnant mum who died due to alleged negligence

 

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“The biggest communication problem is we do not listen to understand. We listen to reply.”
This is your own signature….Let your words come back to you.

The hypocrisy is evident….

This story has not even been proven to be true…..and yet here you are doubling down, just so that you can appear to have a case against an alleged JW doctor in Nigeria, whom you know nothing about….now it spreads to pedophiles who supposedly exist in our ranks……can you tell me what organization on earth is free of these predators? Would you like to go after the Catholic Church or any other church…or even the Boy Scouts? They are very good at hiding what they are.

The other problem with this very emotive subject is providing proof in a legal setting. These crimes have no eye witnesses. Thankfully the law now provides more protection for the children concerned, but in times past the law was brutal for the victims who had to face their abusers in court and be taken apart by determined defense lawyers, intent on getting their clients off the hook. Judges were mainly men and sex crimes were not seen as important in those days. The victims were more traumatized by the judicial process than the actual crime. Today we have a very strong policy on these things.

Do you understand that no one who repents, and serves their time, continues to be guilty unless they reoffend? Are we the judge of what is in their hearts? Isn’t it a good thing to make sure that these ones are known to the elders, and that someone is keeping an eye on them in the congregation without drawing attention to their former course? Would you like to wear a sign around your neck for something you did in the past and paid for under the law? You act as if every pedophile should be punished forever…..like they can never be forgiven or change their ways…..they can repent too and undergo therapy. How about you examine your own heart and ask why Jesus should be the judge of these people and not you or me?

Your appeals are to emotion, not justice.
Shame on you again for keeping this disgusting thread going. It is nothing more than a witch hunt.
Oh Jane, you are so in denial of the facts. Unfortunately, most of the news articles I can link are subscriptions, so the full articles are not available for free. But I'm sure if you did a google search, you would be enlightened. The fact of the matter is the Society has spent millions in payouts to the victims of child abuse in the congregation, and too often the victims are victimized while the abusers are free to do it again. Today these victims would be "apostate" because they have left the organization, so you wouldn't be able to listen to them according to Watchtower rules. But if you're open-minded, you'll see the Truth, or maybe you don't want to see the Truth. You can deny it all you want.

A Secret Database of Child Abuse
Inside the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Secret Pedophile Database
Secret database protects pedophiles
What Does A Secret Database Kept By Jehovah’s Witnesses Reveal About Potential Sexual Abusers?
The Secret Jehovah's Witnesses Database of Sex Abusers


VERDICT: Active Jehovah’s Witness Member Found Guilty on 7 Counts of Child Sexual Abuse
Court reverses $35M verdict against Jehovah’s Witnesses
Here's a site that documents JW Child Abuse cases
Jehovah’s Witness Lawsuit: Inside a Global Religious Controversy
Jehovah's Witnesses sued over 'historical sex abuse'

Of course, there are all the youtube channels that document these abuses.

I could go on, but I'll leave it there.
 
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There you have it….judged, tried and convicted when all that is offered are unsubstantiated allegations.
Check out the news source and the convoluted story…..whose wife was she again?

And what are the stats on women having massive hemorrhages after childbirth and dying even in major hospitals in first world countries, because they couldnt be saved, even when they had transfusions? Do you understand how much blood is supplied to a pregnant woman’s uterus?
Nigeria rates number one for childbirth mortality rates.

1. Nigeria​

In terms of maternal mortality ratios, Nigeria has become the worst country to become a mother with an average of 993 deaths for every 100,000 live births. This came after a steady rise in MMRs between 2007 and 2015, at a time where overall trends in both Africa and the world were declining. In 2017, the figure was recorded at 917, suggesting that this figure may once again be on the rise — a threat to millions of women in the country.

10 Worst Countries to be a Mother

So much ignorance is demonstrated on this thread.…..and getting to the truth amongst all those allegations will be difficult. It is not a country where medical facilities are fully equipped….nor is it a country where telling the truth is common.
 

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I invite members to read the article.​


This poor woman lost a lot of blood during the C-section procedure.
Prayfully those responsible for her death will face justice. And also never work in the medical field again.

Pasted part of the long article linked earlier.​

A Nigerian man has shared exactly what happened on the day his elder brother's wife died at a private hospital in Port Harcourt. The man, Chris Adams, spoke to Legit.ng and narrated how the woman died due to alleged negligence by the medical doctor at a hospital in Borikiri, Rivers state. She had delivered successfully through caesarean section, but died later after the doctor refused to do a blood transfusion on her.​

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Mrs Victoria Paris is seen alongside her husband and children. Photo: Chris Paris. Source: UGC​

The family has continued to mourn the death of their relative, who died because of alleged negligence by a medical doctor. The medical doctor had allegedly refused to perform a blood transfusion on the woman due to her religious beliefs. Chris Adams, who first posted the story on Facebook, said the doctor is a member of a church that does not allow blood transfusions.​

As such, the doctor had rejected the idea of transfusing blood to the woman even when it was clear that she needed it to survive.​

Chris said in his post: "To be honest it was at these hospital she give birth to her other children, but this case was different, she gave birth through (CS ) I mean operation, the doctor run an operation on her which was successful but my beloved has lost a lot of blood and needed blood to support her life, but the doctor said she don't do that in her hospital because she is a religious person (Jehovah witnesses)."​

Chris narrates what happened on that day In a separate chat with Legit.ng,

Chris said the woman, Mrs Victoria Paris, was his elder brother's wife, Mr Paris Adams. He said she had gone to the private hospital to deliver her 5th child. She was seven months pregnant as of May 7 when they went to the hospital. He said: "She is my elder brother's wife, who is so loving, kind, caring. She is a philanthropist. She is a good person. People love her so much. People around her really like her. People care about her. She is someone that she is so social. That's the kind of person she is. What actually happened that day, that was the 7th month of her pregnancy, she was pregnant for 7 months. Like previously, she normally go for antenatal in that hospital. That's where she gave birth to some of her children. She has four girls already. So this is the 5th child that she was supposed to give birth to. So on the 7th month, her stomach started paining her. So, they rushed her to the hospital."​

Blood transfusions not allowed at the hospital​

Chris said the family had no idea that the medical doctor was a member of Jehovah's Witnesses and that the hospital does not permit blood transfusions. His words: "Then the doctor checked her. The doctor is a lady. The doctor is a Jehovah's Witness, which we did not know about, not until after her death or the day she was dying, that was when we found out that the doctor was a Jehovah Witness person. So the doctor said that she is due for delivery, but this is the 7th month, that they are going to run an operation on her. That my elder brother, Mr Paris who happens to be her husband should go and bring the baby clothes and some of the things that are necessary. After checking, they said they would run a CS on her. So they invited another doctor from another hospital who could be able to run the CS on her. The very hospital does not have the equipment to run the CS. That's how they normally do. This hospital has made people to lose their lives. My elder brother came in, they asked him to sign for the CS."​

Chris told Legit.ng that the CS was performed by a medical doctor who was invited from another hospital.​

The CS was successful as he said the woman emerged from it feeling okay, and the child was also alive. He said: "The doctor they called from another hospital, the doctor came. So my elder brother signed and after a while, it was successful. My elder brother's wife was alive, the baby was alive. They started pouring my elder brother powder, buying drinks and they were celebrating." Victoria had lost a lot of blood during CS However, the mood at the hospital quickly changed to one of gloom after a few minutes. Christ said it was discovered that Mrs Paris lost a lot of blood during the operation and that she needed an urgent blood transfusion. The resident doctor said the mother should be taken to a different hospital, insisting that her husband does not perform transfusions due to her religious beliefs.

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Thank you @Triumph1300 ….a voice of reason.

It scares me to see this “lynch mob mentality“ all based on hear-say and unsubstantiated allegations.…all too willing to accuse, slander and cause trouble because of nothing but unbridled prejudice.

All I can say is, thank God that Jesus is our judge and not these people.
Agree.

In 2000 we had a pedophile in our Church.

Just one question, what's the official JW stance, is a JW MD allowed to give blood transfusions? I mean there is a big difference between giving one and taking one.
 
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