Jesus became Immortal

[Hiddenthings]

@PS95 @bdavidc @David Lamb

Hebrews 5:9 holds the key for understanding this topic.

"And, once made perfect, he BECAME the source of eternal salvation for all who obey Him."

The final stage of Christ’s experience was being made “perfect” that is, being made complete, mature, and fully prepared. This perfection was achieved through his supreme act of obedience, which came at the highest cost: his death (Hebrews 2:10). As the writer of Hebrews will later explain more fully, it was through his death that Jesus became the source of eternal salvation (Hebrews 9:12) for all who obey Him.

As Paul writes, “And being found in human form, He humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death even death on a cross” (Philippians 2:8). Just as Christ’s obedience involved suffering, believers can expect that obedience to him may require the same.

Eternal Salvation

This phrase underscores the final and complete nature of the salvation accomplished by Christ. Similar expressions in Hebrews include “eternal redemption” (Hebrews 9:12), “eternal inheritance” (Hebrews 9:15), and “eternal covenant” (Hebrews 13:20). A parallel concept can also be found in the Old Testament in Isaiah 45:17.

Isaiah 45:17 (ESV): “But Israel is saved by the Lord with everlasting salvation; you shall not be put to shame or confounded to all eternity.”

The Lord Jesus Christ was given salvation not from sin but from death.

Hebrews 5:7 (ESV): “In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence.”

It is an undeniable truth that the Lord received immortality from his Father as a result of his obedience, and has now become the source of life, the very place where God has chosen to locate and reveal it.

 

[David in NJ]

How did He do this in the nature of His Son?

The Scriptures Says that JESUS was made a sin offering = Not sin nor the nature of sin

A sin offering is the opposite of sin = "lamb without spot or blemish" = spots and blemishes are symbolic with sin

The sin offering had to be sinless

 

[Hiddenthings]

The Scriptures Says that JESUS was made a sin offering = Not sin nor the nature of sin

A sin offering is the opposite of sin = "lamb without spot or blemish" = spots and blemishes are symbolic with sin

The sin offering had to be sinless

Correct, so how did God condemn sin in the nature of His Son. Let me put it another way.

1 Peter 2:24: “He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed.”

Romans 6:10: “For the death he (Jesus) died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God.”

How was your sins represented in Christ's nature?
How did Jesus die to sin once?

David, you first immediate thoughts will be wrong - you will need to do some work to find the answer to these questions - you too @David Lamb

I've actually given you the answer but I'm not sure you fully understand God's Victory!

 

[David in NJ]

Correct, so how did God condemn sin in the nature of His Son. Let me put it another way.

1 Peter 2:24: “He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed.”

Romans 6:10: “For the death he (Jesus) died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God.”

How was your sins represented in Christ's nature?
How did Jesus die to sin once?

David, you first immediate thoughts will be wrong - you will need to do some work to find the answer to these questions - you too @David Lamb

I've actually given you the answer but I'm not sure you fully understand God's Victory!

Correct, so how did God condemn sin in the nature of His Son.

i would drop this as it is not found in Scripture.

Christ is the Lamb that takes away the sins of the world.

God placed your sins and mine and the sins of the world upon Christ, who is, was and remains SINLESS.

Look at it this way:

All of us have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God
All of us are on the WRONG side of Eternity.
There is a great expanse between us and Salvation.
Let's look at it as a Great River of Immense Current whereby all who enter it drown and never make it to the other side.
Ships were built(religion) to carry us to the other side but they were all dashed upon the rocks by the Righteous Current = all drowned.
This is because SIN is an inhibitor within our nature which renders every man helpless and without the Strength needed to Cross Over.

For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly - Romans 5:6

Christ, in His SINLESS Strength carries us to the other Side where the FATHER and Heaven is.

As we climb upon Christ, completely trusting in His Strength and clinging to Him alone, HE washes away our sins as we go down into the Water with Him, His Blood washes our sins away= Not the water
The Righteous River is symbolic of Judgment which consumes all who enter it contaminated by sin.
The sin weighs us down and we SINK into Death.

The Israelites were able to Cross the Red Sea because the Blood of the Lamb covered their sins and therefore Christ parted the waters for them.

Those without the Blood of the Lamb, who attempted to cross = all drowned

 

[Hiddenthings]

i would drop this as it is not found in Scripture.

You’ve read in Romans 8:3 that God sent His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh.

So how can you claim this isn’t in Scripture when you’ve already acknowledged it?

What you seem unwilling to address is the reason why.

Why would God choose to achieve victory in sinful flesh?

You also need to explain why Jesus had to die to sin once, and how that took place.

And further, you must answer how sin was represented in the body of Jesus such that your sins were carried to the cross with him.

You’ve got some serious thinking to do!

 

[David in NJ]

You’ve read in Romans 8:3 that God sent His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh.

So how can you claim this isn’t in Scripture when you’ve already acknowledged it?

What you seem unwilling to address is the reason why.

Why would God choose to achieve victory in sinful flesh?

You also need to explain why Jesus had to die to sin once, and how that took place.

And further, you must answer how sin was represented in the body of Jesus such that your sins were carried to the cross with him.

You’ve got some serious thinking to do!

God sent His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh. = TRUTH

God condemn sin in the nature of His Son. = Not in Scripture = error

JESUS never committed sin = no sin found in Him = the Nature of the SON is Sinless Perfection

You’ve got some serious thinking to do!

 

[Hiddenthings]

God sent His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh. = TRUTH

Who did He condemn sin in then?

God condemn sin in the nature of His Son. = Not in Scripture = error

If not Christ who?

JESUS never committed sin = no sin found in Him = the Nature of the SON is Sinless Perfection

You’ve got some serious thinking to do!

You are missing the point Paul is making which is why I asked you to think seriously about what is being said and why.

So how did he die to sin once?

You are being tested David - no doubt about that.

Why was it essential Jesus be born of a woman? born in the fallen line of Adam?

Think David about Who God is and What is important to Him.

I'm confident you will work it out!

 

[David in NJ]

Who did He condemn sin in then?



If not Christ who?


You are missing the point Paul is making which is why I asked you to think seriously about what is being said and why.

So how did he die to sin once?

You are being tested David - no doubt about that.

Why was it essential Jesus be born of a woman? born in the fallen line of Adam?

Think David about Who God is and What is important to Him.

I'm confident you will work it out!

#1 - JESUS Nature never had sin for HE never committed sin.

#2 - JESUS Nature was and is SINLESS PERFECTION

#3 - The Lamb that takes away the sins of the world

#4 - HE who knew no sin became sin for us

#5 - You’ve got some serious thinking to do!

#6 - You must give yourself to Prayer and the Holy Scriptures

#7 - I'm confident, IF you submit to the Holy Spirit and the Word of God, HE will work it out = for you!

#8 - Just as HE did for me

 

[marks]

As long as you understand the Lords words in John 8 are in relation to his preeminence you will have understood the context of Abraham seeing his day!

I just go with what Jesus actually said, as He asserted both His pre-existence and His eternal life.

Jesus and some angels shared a meal with Abraham.

Much love!

 

[pandaflower]

So, you see the Jesus lived because of the Father.

I see Jesus lived as the father made flesh. Just as God said.

And I pity those who do not know that.Even when it is right there as God's words.

 

[PS95]

We have already proved conclusively Jesus became the author of Life by the resurrection of the dead. Maybe go back a relook at the references.

Ironically you quoted Hebrews 12:2 which demonstrates on what basis he became the Author of Life. I don't mind if you reply to other previous post either - all the evidence is clearly stepped out.

Ok, look- once again I will tell you that I have not discussed anything about the author of life with you. All that I have done is supply verses that went with your statement, although I have no idea why you made the statement to me to begin with. Maybe you need to review who you spoke with because it was not me. Why don't you pay attention to what I say?

And once again, my issue with you and all Uni's is that you deny that the Word who was with God is who became flesh and is Jesus-- by denying His preexistence even though I supplied you with clear statements that show that He indeed preexisted.
You can either accept those as truth, or you can talk them away and continue in your delusions. This is my second warning to you to stop spreading your fiction.

Uni's, Jws etc all get hung up on the humanity of Jesus. Of course He was had a human nature and flesh- and of course He obeyed, and of course He was tempted, and of course He ate, slept, drank and wept, prayed and felt pain and sicknesses etc LIKE us! His mother was a human like us. He humbled Himself and became obedient . Why can't you see that? Philippians
You deny that He was not only JUST like you- because the power of the Most High overshadowed His mother and she conceived Him. Your father and mine were of the earth- the dust. LIKE ADAM. The Son of God is TRULY the Son of God- biologically. You blather on about Adam while ignoring that Paul knew Jesus came from heaven and Adam was from the dust.
1 Cor 15:47-The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven.
Paul distinguishes between the two MEN. You don't believe Paul.

If God wanted to adopt a son He could have had Joseph father him. But God chose not to adopt a son as He adopts us-
This UNIQUE Son of God is the Word who became flesh.
The Word was with God
The Word became flesh John 1:14
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God. For many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you will know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
1 John 4:1-2

Jesus came in the flesh. Same writer- The Word became flesh.
FLESH does not mean he had only a human nature only- as you presume- it means The Word came in a body of FLESH!
Gnostics denied that Jesus Christ had a body of flesh! They saw material as evil. John expounds to them by saying "we saw and touched him".---HIS FLESH. John touched the Word of Life in the flesh. 1 John 1


These statements made by Jesus and the NT writers are clear to anyone with a seeking open heart.

John 1:30
“This is He on behalf of whom I said, ‘After me comes a Man who has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’ John 1:30

“No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man. John 3:13

For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but to do the will of Him who sent Me. John 6:38

Then what will happen if you see the Son of Man ascend to where He was before? John 6:62

The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 1 Cor 15:47


Then He told them, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. John 8:23


Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. John 17:5

John testified about Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’” John 1:15

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Has in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;” Hebrews 1:1-2

“I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.” John 16:28

Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. John 8:42

Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into His hands, and that He had come forth from God and was going back to God,
John 13:3

But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.” Micah 5:2

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.” Col 1:15-17

And, You, Lord, in the beginning have laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:” Heb 1:10

“Father, I will that they also, whom you have given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which you have given me: for you lovedst me before the foundation of the world.” John 17:24

And now, O Father, glorify you me with thine own self with the glory which I had with you before the world was.” John 17:5

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.” John 1:1-3

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government will be upon His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isa 9:6-7

For David did not ascend into heaven, but he himself says: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand Acts 2:23

Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”

John 3:31--He who comes from above is above all, he who is of the earth is from the earth and speaks of the earth. He who comes from heaven is above all.

Hiddenthings, look, it is wide open and not hidden. Jesus pre-existed. Whether you like it or not does not change the fact.

 

[marks]

how did God condemn sin in the nature of His Son.

This isn't Biblical language, and therefore means what you want it to mean, and not what the Bible itself teaches.

God "condemned sin in the flesh". That does not linguistically equal "condemned sin in the nature of His Son. So there must be some reason for you to reword this, to make it more amenable to your assertions.

That is, unless you can show a Scripture that actually reads that way.

On it's face, it seems that you are saying Jesus had a "sin nature" or something like that. Care to clarify? Or to post your Scriptures that show this?

Much love!

 

[Hiddenthings]

#1 - JESUS Nature never had sin for HE never committed sin.

#2 - JESUS Nature was and is SINLESS PERFECTION

#3 - The Lamb that takes away the sins of the world

#4 - HE who knew no sin became sin for us

#5 - You’ve got some serious thinking to do!

#6 - You must give yourself to Prayer and the Holy Scriptures

#7 - I'm confident, IF you submit to the Holy Spirit and the Word of God, HE will work it out = for you!

#8 - Just as HE did for me

I'm still back in Romans 8:3

In whom did God condemn sin?

Answer this question first.

 

[Hiddenthings]

I just go with what Jesus actually said, as He asserted both His pre-existence and His eternal life.

Jesus and some angels shared a meal with Abraham.

Much love!

But he didn't say what you are forcing him to say. You are doing precisely what his listeners were doing.

You get that right?

 

[Hiddenthings]

This isn't Biblical language,

In whom did God condemn sin?

This is not a difficult question.

Read Romans 8:3

 

[David in NJ]

I'm still back in Romans 8:3

In whom did God condemn sin?

Answer this question first.

God did not condemn sin "in whom".

Romans 8:3 does not say what you claim = "Jesus nature"

God did send His Son to become sin for us on the Cross.

 

[marks]

In whom did God condemn sin?

This is not a difficult question.

Read Romans 8:3

If you have something to say, just post the verse. I usually find those that only post a reference, the verse doesn't say what they say it does.

Romans 8:3 LITV
3) For the Law being powerless, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and concerning sin, condemned sin in the flesh,

You change your reading from "condemned sin in the flesh", which states a general condition of sin, to, "condemned sin in Jesus' flesh", ascribing sinful flesh to Jesus.

But in fact the very verse you quote states, "in the likeness of sinful flesh", in harmony with the other passages that teach Jesus did not sin.

Much love!

 

[marks]

But he didn't say what you are forcing him to say. You are doing precisely what his listeners were doing.

You get that right?

Are you getting that Jesus made a certain statement? I didn't force it. That He meant what He said? It's a simple yet profound statement.

Your argument is that Jesus didn't mean what He said. I get that.

Much love!

 

[LoveYeshua]

You would think in Acts 2:26 Peter would refer to an Immortal Spirit or even the Spirit itself but he doesn't.

He mentions his flesh.

Why so?

We know he will soon speak to the nature of Christ, in the grave, so clearly this flesh is an important teaching, right!

"Moreover also my flesh"

This refers to Jesus’ physical body, which prior to his resurrection still bore the mortal, sin-prone nature described in Hebrews 2:14. After his victory over sin, his flesh was cleansed of sin-nature, fulfilling what Paul explains in Romans 8:3: that God condemned sin in the flesh through His Son.

This transformation was anticipated long before, as seen in Job’s prophecy of bodily redemption: “...in my flesh I shall see God” (Job 19:26), pointing to the hope of resurrection and renewal.

After his resurrection, Jesus confirmed this change in his nature when he said to the disciples, “See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have” (Luke 24:39). This was no mere vision or ghost—his body was real, yet glorified.

I wonder if you @Origen truly understand the Gospel of God - the true Gospel!

read your bible again from the beginning you know NOTHING! this is atrocious borderline blaphemy!

 

[David in NJ]

You would think in Acts 2:26 Peter would refer to an Immortal Spirit or even the Spirit itself but he doesn't.

He mentions his flesh.

Why so?

We know he will soon speak to the nature of Christ, in the grave, so clearly this flesh is an important teaching, right!

"Moreover also my flesh"

This refers to Jesus’ physical body, which prior to his resurrection still bore the mortal, sin-prone nature described in Hebrews 2:14. After his victory over sin, his flesh was cleansed of sin-nature, fulfilling what Paul explains in Romans 8:3: that God condemned sin in the flesh through His Son.

This transformation was anticipated long before, as seen in Job’s prophecy of bodily redemption: “...in my flesh I shall see God” (Job 19:26), pointing to the hope of resurrection and renewal.

After his resurrection, Jesus confirmed this change in his nature when he said to the disciples, “See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have” (Luke 24:39). This was no mere vision or ghost—his body was real, yet glorified.

I wonder if you @Origen truly understand the Gospel of God - the true Gospel!

Many Faithful Witnesses have been speaking to you but you are not listening neither are you reading the scriptures from a pure heart.

JESUS did not need to be cleansed from sin.

Luke 24:39 proves that.