Jesus became Immortal

[rebuilder 454]

No it doesn't. Jesus said in prayer to God, his Father, John 17:3 (WEB):

(3) This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.​

And later concluded - Mark 15:39 (WEB):

(39) When the centurion, who stood by opposite him, saw that he cried out like this and breathed his last, he said, “Truly this man was the Son of God!”​

The Bible clearly, and repeatedly, says that Jesus was God's son, not that He was God, e.g. (all from the WEB translation):

Matthew 3:17

(17) Behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”​

Luke 22:70

(70) They all said, “Are you then the Son of God?” He {Jesus} said to them, “You say it, because I am.”​

John 9:35-37

(35) Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and finding him, he said, “Do you believe in the Son of God?”​

(36) He answered, “Who is he, Lord, that I may believe in him?”​

(37) Jesus said to him, “You have both seen him, and it is he who speaks with you.”​

John 10:36

(36) do you say of him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God?’​

John 20:30-31

(30) Therefore Jesus did many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book;​

(31) but these are written, that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name.​

Romans 1:3-4

(3) concerning his Son, who was born of the offspring of David according to the flesh,​

(4) who was declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord,​

1 John 4:15

(15) Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God remains in him, and he in God.​

1 John 5:10

(10) He who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. He who doesn’t believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning his Son.​

etc..

Go ahead and attack this;
Jesus is the creator and God as plainly stated.:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made
See that?
The word Jesus....IS GOD.

see that?
The word Jesus created all things.

Stop trying to subert and pervert the bible.
What cult are you of?
Watchtower?

 

[rebuilder 454]

No it doesn't. Jesus said in prayer to God, his Father, John 17:3 (WEB):

(3) This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.​

And later concluded - Mark 15:39 (WEB):

(39) When the centurion, who stood by opposite him, saw that he cried out like this and breathed his last, he said, “Truly this man was the Son of God!”​

The Bible clearly, and repeatedly, says that Jesus was God's son, not that He was God, e.g. (all from the WEB translation):

Matthew 3:17

(17) Behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”​

Luke 22:70

(70) They all said, “Are you then the Son of God?” He {Jesus} said to them, “You say it, because I am.”​

John 9:35-37

(35) Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and finding him, he said, “Do you believe in the Son of God?”​

(36) He answered, “Who is he, Lord, that I may believe in him?”​

(37) Jesus said to him, “You have both seen him, and it is he who speaks with you.”​

John 10:36

(36) do you say of him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God?’​

John 20:30-31

(30) Therefore Jesus did many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book;​

(31) but these are written, that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name.​

Romans 1:3-4

(3) concerning his Son, who was born of the offspring of David according to the flesh,​

(4) who was declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord,​

1 John 4:15

(15) Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God remains in him, and he in God.​

1 John 5:10

(10) He who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. He who doesn’t believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning his Son.​

etc..

No it doesn't. Jesus said in prayer to God, his Father, John 17:3 (WEB):

(3) This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.​

And later concluded - Mark 15:39 (WEB):

(39) When the centurion, who stood by opposite him, saw that he cried out like this and breathed his last, he said, “Truly this man was the Son of God!”​

The Bible clearly, and repeatedly, says that Jesus was God's son, not that He was God, e.g. (all from the WEB translation):

Matthew 3:17

(17) Behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”​

Luke 22:70

(70) They all said, “Are you then the Son of God?” He {Jesus} said to them, “You say it, because I am.”​

John 9:35-37

(35) Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and finding him, he said, “Do you believe in the Son of God?”​

(36) He answered, “Who is he, Lord, that I may believe in him?”​

(37) Jesus said to him, “You have both seen him, and it is he who speaks with you.”​

John 10:36

(36) do you say of him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God?’​

John 20:30-31

(30) Therefore Jesus did many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book;​

(31) but these are written, that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name.​

Romans 1:3-4

(3) concerning his Son, who was born of the offspring of David according to the flesh,​

(4) who was declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord,​

1 John 4:15

(15) Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God remains in him, and he in God.​

1 John 5:10

(10) He who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. He who doesn’t believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning his Son.​

etc..

Are you trying to prove the trinity?
Yes we believe Jesus is God.

Yes we believe Both God and Jesus are deity.

That belief is by taking the word as it says.
Not calling God a liar as you do.

Genesis 1 " Let us make man in our image"
Who is the "us" ?
Who is the "our"?

That points to the God head.
The plurality of God.

You are 3 parts also.
Spirit
Soul
Body.

What a coincidence the plurality of God made you a plurality.
Maybe you can subvert that truth also?

What cult are you?
Watchtower?

So we see from the word of God that Jesus is the creator, ...AHEM, and naturally the CREATOR JESUS was with the Father at CREATION .

But it gets worse for you and your error because in Hebrews it says the Father himself calls Jesus God, ....and can you believe that your cult has the Father commanding angels to worship your false created Jesus?????
How could the Father Himself be a hypocrite?

Heb 1
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

HUH???? The FATHER DECLARES THE SON IS GOD?
HUH??? YOU CLAIM SOMETHING DIFFERENT????
EITHER YOU OR GOD IS A LIAR.

WHAT? ? ???
THE ANGELS WORSHIP JESUS???????
And you subvert the worship of Jesus????

Phillipines 2
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Huh?????
The Father exaulted the Son above His own name??????
Isaiah 9
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
What?????
Jesus is "the mighty God"??????
Jesus is "the everlasting Father" ???????
It just keeps getting harder to subvert all that bible huh????
The Holy Spirit, it seems, ANTICIPATED the heretics that would attempt to pervert his Holy Word.



One of you is a heretic. Either you are false, or God is false.

Might be time to get real and cast down that cult that has filled you with heresy.
To deny Jesus is to reject Him and you will skip salvation.
Why are you here? You deny Jesus.
This is a Christian forum.

 

[rebuilder 454]

No evidence?

You have been shown plenty.
You cast down truth.
Sad

 

[Hiddenthings]

You have been shown plenty.
You cast down truth.
Sad

The aggression isn't matched with evidence. But you have been shown plenty in the OP...

 

[rebuilder 454]

@rebuilder 454 while you are working through these posts here is another:

John 6:57 says: "As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me."

What Jesus is saying is either true, or you must believe he is lying if you think that Jesus lives by his own power, apart from the Father

And if you agree God gave Jesus LIFE (Immortality) then it makes sense that Jesus could say "whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me"

So, if you believe Jesus is lying, then the life that God granted to him is not in Jesus, and as a result, you have no access to that life because you don’t believe.

God is the self-existent, living Father, and because of Jesus' obedience, he is granted that LIFE.

The deity verses you have been shown do not magically disappear.
The disappearing you seek only works in your mind.
The Bible is a book of truth.
It is 100% out of your mind.

You Walked up to the barn With a shotgun, emptied both barrels, from two foot away, and you missed.

This is what no quotas has ever been taught. And no colton's whatever it from some co teacher:

Why did it have to be God on the cross?

Why?

Answer that from your leaders.
NO CAN'T....AND THEY CAN'T.
In fact, no cultist can, and Very few believers can.

That simple dynamic disenfranchises all cultists .
God on the cross.
If not Him on the cross THE ENTIRE REDEMPTION IS NULL AND VOID.

You unlearned have no idea what is going on.
No idea what the sacrifice qualifications are, nor do you know the remedy for sin.

SMH.

This is beyond the human mind.
Wrong staring place means you will never get to heaven.
That is unbelievable that you take defeat right out of the jaws of victory.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The aggression isn't matched with evidence. But you have been shown plenty in the OP...

No sir.
Your deal is to disenfranchised the person of Jesus.
Your deal starts with a premise...that Jesus can not be God.
Therefore you can not accurately unpack the Holy Bible.

The Bible starts with God declaring. He is a plurality.
You start your deal with "God cannot be a plurality"

Therefore you take defeat out of the Jaws of victory.

You actually disenfranchise yourself.

Look...all the cults do what you do.
Nothing new.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Again, what did the Roman soldier's mock? They mocked his deity...just as this thread in the o p is doing

 

[keithr]

Go ahead and attack this;
Jesus is the creator and God as plainly stated.:

God is the creator, but he chose to have His Son perform the creation. Originally only God existed. Then He begat, or created, His Son (who we refer to as Jesus). It was God's will, plan and design, to create angels, the physical universe, planet earth, and all life on earth, and to create angels and mankind in His image (intelligent beings with free will and a spirit of love). It was also His will to have His Son perform the creation - Colossians 1:12-20 (UASV+):

(12) giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the holy ones in the light.​

(13) For he rescued us from the authority of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son,​

(14) in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.​

(15) He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.​

(16) For by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities, all things have been created through him and for him.​

(17) And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.​

(18) And he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.​

(19) For it was the good pleasure of the Father that in him should all the fullness dwell,​

(20) and through him to reconcile all things unto himself, having made peace through the blood of his cross; through him, I say, whether things upon the earth, or things in the heavens.​

God's Son was not made immortal, so that he was able to give his life as a willing sacrifice in order to redeem mankind (hence the words in the passage above, "his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins", God "having made peace through the blood of his {Jesus'} cross"). God made Jesus immortal when He resurrected Jesus; hence Jesus afterwards said, I am "the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death", Revelation 1:18 (UASV+).

Jesus will become subservient to God, so clearly he is not God - 1 Corinthians 15:22-28 (WEB):

(22) For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.​

(23) But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then those who are Christ’s, at his coming.​

(24) Then the end comes, when he will deliver up the Kingdom to God, even the Father; when he will have abolished all rule and all authority and power.​

(25) For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.​

(26) The last enemy that will be abolished is death.​

(27) For, “He put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when he says, “All things are put in subjection”, it is evident that he is excepted who subjected all things to him.​

(28) When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.​

What cult are you of?
Watchtower?

Irrelevant, but no.

 

[rebuilder 454]

God is the creator, but he chose to have His Son perform the creation. Originally only God existed. Then He begat, or created, His Son (who we refer to as Jesus). It was God's will, plan and design, to create angels, the physical universe, planet earth, and all life on earth, and to create angels and mankind in His image (intelligent beings with free will and a spirit of love). It was also His will to have His Son perform the creation - Colossians 1:12-20 (UASV+):

(12) giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the holy ones in the light.​

(13) For he rescued us from the authority of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son,​

(14) in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.​

(15) He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.​

(16) For by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities, all things have been created through him and for him.​

(17) And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.​

(18) And he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.​

(19) For it was the good pleasure of the Father that in him should all the fullness dwell,​

(20) and through him to reconcile all things unto himself, having made peace through the blood of his cross; through him, I say, whether things upon the earth, or things in the heavens.​

God's Son was not made immortal, so that he was able to give his life as a willing sacrifice in order to redeem mankind (hence the words in the passage above, "his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins", God "having made peace through the blood of his {Jesus'} cross"). God made Jesus immortal when He resurrected Jesus; hence Jesus afterwards said, I am "the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death", Revelation 1:18 (UASV+).

Jesus will become subservient to God, so clearly he is not God - 1 Corinthians 15:22-28 (WEB):

(22) For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.​

(23) But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then those who are Christ’s, at his coming.​

(24) Then the end comes, when he will deliver up the Kingdom to God, even the Father; when he will have abolished all rule and all authority and power.​

(25) For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.​

(26) The last enemy that will be abolished is death.​

(27) For, “He put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when he says, “All things are put in subjection”, it is evident that he is excepted who subjected all things to him.​

(28) When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.​

Irrelevant, but no.

The Bible says JESUS IS THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS.
In GENESIS GOD SAID "US" AND "OUR" WHEN GOD SPOKE OF CREATING

I do understand your denying of God's word.
I totally understand it and why.

 

[Hiddenthings]

The deity verses you have been shown do not magically disappear.
The disappearing you seek only works in your mind.
The Bible is a book of truth.
It is 100% out of your mind.

Yes, the Bible is a book of truth - agree.

You Walked up to the barn With a shotgun, emptied both barrels, from two foot away, and you missed.

I have my gun license but haven't shot my shotguns for many years now.

This is what no quotas has ever been taught. And no colton's whatever it from some co teacher:

Why did it have to be God on the cross?

It was His Son 454 - everyone one in this forum knows that.

Answer that from your leaders.
NO CAN'T....AND THEY CAN'T.
In fact, no cultist can, and Very few believers can.

That simple dynamic disenfranchises all cultists .
God on the cross.
If not Him on the cross THE ENTIRE REDEMPTION IS NULL AND VOID.

The Son of Man represented man perfectly which why he was born of a woman and born under the Law.

You unlearned have no idea what is going on.
No idea what the sacrifice qualifications are, nor do you know the remedy for sin.

SMH.

This is beyond the human mind.
Wrong staring place means you will never get to heaven.
That is unbelievable that you take defeat right out of the jaws of victory.

Maybe you believe in a mystery which is why you are so aggressive in your communication - I would be also if I worshipped an unknowable God.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Again, what did the Roman soldier's mock? They mocked his deity...just as this thread in the o p is doing

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Hiddenthings]

Again, what did the Roman soldier's mock? They mocked his deity...just as this thread in the o p is doing

You mean "if you be the Son of God come down?"

“If you are the Son of God” the very same challenge spoken during the temptation in the wilderness (Matthew 4:6). Had he given in, he would have denied his own sonship, in contrast to what is affirmed in Hebrews 5:8.

“Although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered.”

 

[rebuilder 454]

Yes, the Bible is a book of truth - agree.

I have my gun license but haven't shot my shotguns for many years now.

It was His Son 454 - everyone one in this forum knows that.

The Son of Man represented man perfectly which why he was born of a woman and born under the Law.

Maybe you believe in a mystery which is why you are so aggressive in your communication - I would be also if I worshipped an unknowable God.

As I told all cultists, you can not answer WHY IT HAD TO BE GOD ON THE CROSS.

You didn't and couldn't.

You did what you do. Throw a shallow answer at it.

" Jesus was a man that blah blah blah."

Then God could of used Daniel.
A man that was upright before God.

Keep trying.

 

[Hiddenthings]

@rebuilder 454 no one is mocking anything in this OP.

It has been established that God raised His Son from the grave before decay and corruption could set in, and clothed Him with immortality and eternal life.

We have clearly established that David believed this, Jesus Himself taught it to the disciples, and the apostle Paul later confirmed it as well.

Three rather reliable witnesses.

 

[rebuilder 454]

You mean "if you be the Son of God come down?"

“If you are the Son of God” the very same challenge spoken during the temptation in the wilderness (Matthew 4:6). Had he given in, he would have denied his own sonship, in contrast to what is affirmed in Hebrews 5:8.

“Although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered.”

Speak to the deity verses.
Make THEM disappear.

Try real hard.
You keep avoiding them.

See what is going on?
The person of Jesus .
Who is he?
Is he creator as the bible says?

Or did you get taught wrong ,and claim erroneously, He is created.?

 

[rebuilder 454]

@rebuilder 454 no one is mocking anything in this OP.

It has been established that God raised His Son from the grave before decay and corruption could set in, and clothed Him with immortality and eternal life.

We have clearly established that David believed this, Jesus Himself taught it to the disciples, and the apostle Paul later confirmed it as well.

Three rather reliable witnesses.

You simply can not make the connection.
Ahem.... The connection is they mocking in his deity.
You really cannot grasp that?
You cannot grasp that the Roman soldiers attacked his deity, and mocked him.?
Suggesting ,as all religious people do, that he's not really deity?

Try harder.

 

[Hiddenthings]

As I told all cultists, you can not answer WHY IT HAD TO BE GOD ON THE CROSS.

Maybe you are not quick on the uptake but God wasn't on the cross - the Lord Jesus Christ was.

" Jesus was a man that blah blah blah."

The Apostles never used the blah blah blah's but certainly mentioned many many times of his true nature. Hebrews 2:14; Romans 8:3 for a start.

Then God could of used Daniel.
A man that was upright before God.
Keep trying.

Upright yes but not sinless.

Why was the Son of Man needed 454?

“We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him.” Romans 6:9

A lot going on in that verse for you to unpack.

Can God have deaths dominion over Him?
Can God die?
Can God be held in a grave?
Can God be raised from the dead?

No 454 - but Jesus....YES!

 

[Hiddenthings]

Speak to the deity verses.

I'm unable because there are none.

 

[rebuilder 454]

@rebuilder 454 no one is mocking anything in this OP.

It has been established that God raised His Son from the grave before decay and corruption could set in, and clothed Him with immortality and eternal life.

We have clearly established that David believed this, Jesus Himself taught it to the disciples, and the apostle Paul later confirmed it as well.

Three rather reliable witnesses.

Wow.
Did you ever come close!

You said God raised Jesus from the dead.
Jesus said " kill me and I will raise myself from the dead".

 

[Hiddenthings]

Jesus said " kill me and I will raise myself from the dead".

Always a mistake to quote this without all of what Jesus said 454 - I'll let you find it and learn