Really?
And what of the conversation Jesus had with Mary AFTER being in the grave for 3 days AND 3 nights? Let's read it....
John 20
[14] And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
[15] Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
[16] Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
[17] Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Now this is 3 days and 3 nights AFTER Jesus death and He tells her, "...for I am not yet ascended to my Father..."
Now according to YOUR claim both Jesus AND the thief went to heaven on the day that He died.
Please explain!
And concerning the rest of your post. I took my time and read ALL of it. And you have yet to answer the question about the White Throne judgement mentioned in Rev.20!
You did make the following statement;
But didn't answer the question. If, as you say, believers spirits go to heaven, what about the spirits of those saints, that according to you are in an 'unsaved' status?
Where do their spirits go until the White Throne judgement happens? Are they held in limbo until the sea gives up their dead and the books open and read?
Please explain!
It is not my intent to make anyone look stupid. I am only doing as instructed by the word of God!
"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
"... make full proof of thy ministry."
I have done, through scriptures what Gods word says to do:
I have presented scriptures that states man is made up of (2) substances; The Dust of the earth. And the breath of God that brings that dust life!
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Gen.2:7
That same scripture mentioned above says that the TWO substances became a soul. It does NOT say a soul was put into man.
If you claim that man is made up of something other than these (2), then search the scriptures and post what you find.
I have presented scripture that states the same breath that was breathed into man is called 'spirit'.
All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils; Job 27:3
I did not make this up! God's holy spirit inspired Job to say this, not me!
Taking what the God's word says above and applying to other scriptures makes sense. Let's take the following verses for example;
"And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost."
"And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God."
"When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost"
"And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things"
"And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost."
Now from Jesus own mouth He tells us, "...for I am not yet ascended to my Father..."! So we know a ghost didn't go up to heaven on the day He died. So just what ghost/spirit did He give up?
Using God's holy word, it was His breath! The same breath that was used to bring life, if taken away, brings death! And what is His breath called? Spirit!
This works! This makes sense!
So if you think I am trying to belittle, it is not me you have a problem with....it is with the word of God!
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Praise God! Everything you have quoted Ecc, I quoted of the scriptures earlier in this thread to Rach, and Anastacia. They refuse to see the truth! How is it, I said the exact same thing to them. And they say it's not scriptural! People reading this thread, pay close attention to what is being said here! Pray to the Lord, and the truth will be revealed. Believe in the scriptures, and not in fables of being judge immediately after death, and sent to heaven or hell! That is not scriptural, and is a spirit of error! Ecc continue to speak the truth! There are people who will see, and believe!