ChristisGod
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Indeed God(YHWH) Incarnate. Hence Christ is the Godman who is fully God, fully man lacking nothing in His Deity or humanity.
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Jesus IS God in the flesh!!
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TheslightestID
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Why are you still comparing simple mindedness to simple things....Huge difference, but if thats what it takes for you to make your deceptive point, it's actually what I expect of you by now.
TheslightestID
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Very simple, and only the simple minded would have to ask such a question.
Do you not recall my answering that already, the son of God means, the son of God, or for the very simpleminded, Gods son.
GRACE ambassador
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Amen! And, AMEN!! And, Thanks Be Unto God, I do NOT have to be a language
scholar, or use men's commentaries TO DENY God's PURE WORD Of Truth!!!:
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Precious friend(s). Since I was saved, Purchased By
God's Own BLOOD, I also was "called Into Fellowship With my
SAVIOUR, The LORD JESUS CHRIST!"
(Acts 20 : 28; 1 Corinthians 1 : 9 KJB!) Amen?
I studied prayerfully and Carefully and found a Few Passages For
The "Deity" of The Blessed Holy Spirit, Who Dwells within, And
Further Found Over 150 For The "Deity" Of The LORD JESUS CHRIST,
Also. Here are the First Few, And, Please Be Very Richly Blessed!:
Is The Holy Spirit God?: According To The Pure And Holy Scriptures!:
(A) The Holy Spirit Is The God That "Ananias And Sapphira lied to!"
(Acts 5 : 3-4 KJB!).
(B) The Holy Spirit IS The God That Raised JESUS CHRIST From The Dead!,
(Romans 8 : 9-11 cp 1 Corinthians 6 : 14; 2 Corinthians 4 : 14; 1 Peter 3 : 18)
(C) The Holy Spirit IS The Omnipresent God That Dwells IN All "believers,"
Being The "Blessed Teacher!," For: Understanding!
(Romans 8 : 9-11 cp 1 Corinthians 3 : 16, 6 : 19, 2 : 13!)
Is JESUS CHRIST The Almighty God? What Saith The Pure
And Holy Written WORD Of God, The SCRIPTURES?
The First 13 { of 150+ } SCRIPTURAL “Reasons” {Evidence!}
JESUS CHRIST Is Almighty God:
1) God Was Manifest In The Flesh! (1 Timothy 3 : 16)
JESUS CHRIST Was Manifest In The Flesh! (John 1 : 14)
2) JESUS CHRIST Is EMMANUEL
“interpreted = God With us!" (Matthew 1 : 21-23)
3) The SON, JESUS CHRIST Is Called
God, By HIS Own Father! (Hebrews 1 : 8)
4) JESUS CHRIST Is Called
The Great God And Saviour! (Titus 2 : 13)
5) JESUS CHRIST Is Called
The Mighty God! (Isaiah 9 : 6 cp Jeremiah 32 : 18)
6) JESUS CHRIST Is Called
The True God And Eternal Life! (1 John 5 : 20)
7) JESUS CHRIST Is Over All, God,
Blessed For Ever. Amen! (Romans 9 : 5)
8) ALL the angels of God Worship HIM!
(Hebrews 1 : 6), therefore, It Is Impossible
for JESUS CHRIST to be = “Michael the archANGEL!”
Therefore, All The Evidence In The Pure And Holy WORD Of God
Plainly And Clearly Teaches All humble students That:
JESUS CHRIST Is God Almighty! Amen?
9) JESUS CHRIST was WORSHIPPED!
(Matthew 2 : 11, 14 : 33, 28 : 9; Luke 24 : 52)
Not once did JESUS Say, "See thou do it not,"
as "an angel NOT to be worshipped," spoke
in Revelation 19 : 10, And, 22 : 8-9!
Since ONLY The LORD God is to be worshipped!
(Exodus 34 : 14; Psalms 29 : 2, 45 : 11, 86 : 9, et al;
Matthew 4 : 10; Luke 4 : 8; Revelation 22 : 9):
Holy SCRIPTURE Clearly Teaches us JESUS CHRIST Is God!
10) Every knee shall bow, and "every tongue"
shall confess to GOD! (Romans 14 : 11; Isaiah 45 : 21-23).
The GOD "every tongue is confessing to,”
Is The LORD JESUS CHRIST! (Philippians 2 : 11)
to be continued...
GRACE ambassador
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JESUS CHRIST Is God Almighty! continued:
11) JESUS CHRIST Is Called The SAVIOUR!
(Luke 2 : 11; Acts 5 : 30-31, 13 : 23; Titus 1 : 4, 2 : 13)
(2 Peter 1 : 1, 11, 2 : 20, 3 : 18, 1 John 4 : 14)
ONLY Jehovah God ALONE Is The SAVIOUR!
(Isaiah 43 : 3, 11, 45 : 15, 21; Hosea 13 : 4; Luke 1 : 47)
(1 Timothy 1 : 1, 2 : 3, 4 : 10; Titus 1 : 3, 2 : 10, 3 : 4; Jude 1 : 25)
Therefore, JESUS CHRIST Is God!
12) JESUS CHRIST Forgave sins! (Matthew 9 : 2; Mark 2 : 5)
ONLY GOD Can Forgive sins! (Mark 2 : 7)
Pure And Holy SCRIPTURE Teaches us (Titus 2 : 13):
JESUS CHRIST Is The Great God, The
Only Saviour Who Can Forgive sin!!
If we Deny HIS Deity, how can HE FORGIVE us our sins?
After all, It is Only God's OWN BLOOD (Acts 20 : 28 KJB!),
That Has Power To "CLEANSE us From ALL sin!" Amen?
And, Finally, WHO Is God, The JUDGE Of All?
13) God Almighty Is The JUDGE Of All!
And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest
them which do such things, and doest the
same, that thou shalt escape The Judgment Of God?…
...But after thy hardness and impenitent heart
treasurest up unto thyself Wrath against
The Day Of Wrath and Revelation Of
The Righteous JUDGMENT Of God! (Romans 2 : 3, 5)
...God The JUDGE of all!...God Will JUDGE!… (Hebrews 12 : 23, 13 : 4)
...Strong Is The LORD God Who JUDGES!... (Revelation 18 : 8)
JESUS CHRIST Is God, Because All The Verses In The Holy BIBLE,
That Talk About GOD Being The JUDGE, Must Refer To JESUS CHRIST,
Since HE Alone JUDGES! The Father JUDGES no man! (John 5 : 22)
The Father Has Committed All JUDGMENT
To His SON, The LORD JESUS CHRIST!! (John 5 : 22) Why?
"That All men should honour The SON, even as
they honour The Father. He that honoureth not The SON
honoureth not The Father Who Hath Sent HIM!" (John 5 : 23)
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JW's, SDA's, Unitarians, And All Dear Readers, do you Really Honor The SON?
Only God Almighty Is The RIGHTEOUS Judge = The LORD JESUS CHRIST!
Precious friend(s) Will you Now... Completely
100% “trust” (believe, place faith in) God:
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, HIS Precious BLOOD, And HIS Resurrection!!
to “Receive Forgiveness Of All your sins”?
and go to The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST
for “rewards,” (1 Corinthians 3 : 8-15)
OR... ?...will you die in UNbelief (trusting in
“religion, religious works, men's false
teachings, Any “Other deeds," or, a Different Jesus, Other Than:
God, The Saviour, JESUS CHRIST, HIS BLOOD, And HIS Resurrection!,
and go to:
The Great White Throne Judgment Of
GOD ALMIGHTY [ JESUS CHRIST ]
and perish in Eternal Condemnation?
(Revelation 20 : 11-15)
Precious friend(s), Are you “religious” or is your “sin FORGIVEN,"
so that you Are Ready for God's RIGHTEOUS Judgment?
And, Please Be Very Richly Blessed!
11) JESUS CHRIST Is Called The SAVIOUR!
(Luke 2 : 11; Acts 5 : 30-31, 13 : 23; Titus 1 : 4, 2 : 13)
(2 Peter 1 : 1, 11, 2 : 20, 3 : 18, 1 John 4 : 14)
ONLY Jehovah God ALONE Is The SAVIOUR!
(Isaiah 43 : 3, 11, 45 : 15, 21; Hosea 13 : 4; Luke 1 : 47)
(1 Timothy 1 : 1, 2 : 3, 4 : 10; Titus 1 : 3, 2 : 10, 3 : 4; Jude 1 : 25)
Therefore, JESUS CHRIST Is God!
12) JESUS CHRIST Forgave sins! (Matthew 9 : 2; Mark 2 : 5)
ONLY GOD Can Forgive sins! (Mark 2 : 7)
Pure And Holy SCRIPTURE Teaches us (Titus 2 : 13):
JESUS CHRIST Is The Great God, The
Only Saviour Who Can Forgive sin!!
If we Deny HIS Deity, how can HE FORGIVE us our sins?
After all, It is Only God's OWN BLOOD (Acts 20 : 28 KJB!),
That Has Power To "CLEANSE us From ALL sin!" Amen?
And, Finally, WHO Is God, The JUDGE Of All?
13) God Almighty Is The JUDGE Of All!
And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest
them which do such things, and doest the
same, that thou shalt escape The Judgment Of God?…
...But after thy hardness and impenitent heart
treasurest up unto thyself Wrath against
The Day Of Wrath and Revelation Of
The Righteous JUDGMENT Of God! (Romans 2 : 3, 5)
...God The JUDGE of all!...God Will JUDGE!… (Hebrews 12 : 23, 13 : 4)
...Strong Is The LORD God Who JUDGES!... (Revelation 18 : 8)
JESUS CHRIST Is God, Because All The Verses In The Holy BIBLE,
That Talk About GOD Being The JUDGE, Must Refer To JESUS CHRIST,
Since HE Alone JUDGES! The Father JUDGES no man! (John 5 : 22)
The Father Has Committed All JUDGMENT
To His SON, The LORD JESUS CHRIST!! (John 5 : 22) Why?
"That All men should honour The SON, even as
they honour The Father. He that honoureth not The SON
honoureth not The Father Who Hath Sent HIM!" (John 5 : 23)
-------------------------
JW's, SDA's, Unitarians, And All Dear Readers, do you Really Honor The SON?
Only God Almighty Is The RIGHTEOUS Judge = The LORD JESUS CHRIST!
Precious friend(s) Will you Now... Completely
100% “trust” (believe, place faith in) God:
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, HIS Precious BLOOD, And HIS Resurrection!!
to “Receive Forgiveness Of All your sins”?
and go to The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST
for “rewards,” (1 Corinthians 3 : 8-15)
OR... ?...will you die in UNbelief (trusting in
“religion, religious works, men's false
teachings, Any “Other deeds," or, a Different Jesus, Other Than:
God, The Saviour, JESUS CHRIST, HIS BLOOD, And HIS Resurrection!,
and go to:
The Great White Throne Judgment Of
GOD ALMIGHTY [ JESUS CHRIST ]
and perish in Eternal Condemnation?
(Revelation 20 : 11-15)
Precious friend(s), Are you “religious” or is your “sin FORGIVEN,"
so that you Are Ready for God's RIGHTEOUS Judgment?
And, Please Be Very Richly Blessed!
Like always begets like. Horses beget horses. Always.
By definition, when God begets a son, His son will be God the Son and not a lessor being.
That’s why when Jesus said he’s Gods son, the Jews , who knew that a son of God is God the Son, sought to stone Him, for claiming to be God
TheslightestID
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There is no such definition as begat meaning ones offspring is the same being as the one who begat. Will you please prove that is the definition of begat? I ask because I believe you mede it up.
Yet Jesus was not claiming to be God, and he simply told them the truth, that he was the son of God. That is all he said he was, because that is all he was, and is to this day...the son of God. Now, can you prove to me from the bible that the Jews knew that a son of God is God the Son? And why in the world would they think such thing?
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Absolutely, yes:
John 10:22-33
At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple, in the colonnade of Solomon. So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, "How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not part of my flock. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one." The Jews picked up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, "I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?" The Jews answered him, "It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God."
At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple, in the colonnade of Solomon. So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, "How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not part of my flock. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one." The Jews picked up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, "I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?" The Jews answered him, "It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God."
But are you able to hear it?
Humans beget humans, not monkeys or chimpanzees or something less than human.
God by definition will beget God, not a lessor being.
To beget means to reproduce yourself. Your offspring has your chromosomes in them, not ape chromosomes.
Whether you know it or not, when you state Jesus is Gods son, you’re saying He’s God the Son.
This proves unequivocally that Jesus is fully God and deity, in the flesh:
I’d like to explain something about Colossians 2:9 - the word Godhead is defined in a Greek lexicon as:
New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 2320 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
qeoteß from (2316)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Theotes 3:119,322
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
theh-ot'-ace Noun Feminine
Definition
- deity
- the state of being God, Godhead
Deity 1
Godhead is defined as THE STATE OF BEING GOD - deity.
Thus when Colossians 2 says this:
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Its meaning in the original Koine Greek is this:
In Him dwells ALL the FULNESS of THE STATE OF BEING GOD AND DEITY, bodily.
Nothing else needs to be said. Jesus is fully God and deity in the flesh.
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DEFINITION OF BEGET:
Beget: transitive verb. 1 : to procreate as the father
People also ask
What is another word for beget?
SYNONYMS FOR beget
1 spawn, sire, breed, father. 2 occasion, engender, effect, generate.
God gave His only begotten Son
God gave His only fathered Son
God gave His only sired Son
To beget means to reproduce yourself.
Thus Gods begotten Son is God the Son.
Beget: transitive verb. 1 : to procreate as the father
People also ask
What is another word for beget?
SYNONYMS FOR beget
1 spawn, sire, breed, father. 2 occasion, engender, effect, generate.
God gave His only begotten Son
God gave His only fathered Son
God gave His only sired Son
To beget means to reproduce yourself.
Thus Gods begotten Son is God the Son.
TheslightestID
Active Member
God is a title. IOW, a grocery store clerk doesnt begat a grocery store clerk. You idea on this is nothing short of rediculous, but it is interesting to see that trinity believers have to stoop to such rediculous levels in order to make their point....meaning, they have no viable point, hence no trinity..
You aren't helping your cause. Lol
TheslightestID
Active Member
No, a grocery store clerk is a human, and will beget another human.
See how that works?
God is a title for Yahweh, thus when Yahweh begets a Son, He is also Yahweh.
TheslightestID
Active Member
Colossians 2:9 is referring to Jesus. Compare Colossians 1:15-17; 3:1. These are only a few of many, many scriptures that differentiate Jesus and his heavenly father.
tigger 2
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The trinitarian argument that Col. 2:9 proves that Jesus is God overlooks the common understanding of "fulness of ..." and "filled with ..." by those who used those common phrases in New Testament times. For example, the person who became "filled with Holy Spirit" (Eph. 5:18) was greatly influenced by that spirit, but he certainly did not become the Holy Spirit.
And having "the fulness" of someone or something could similarly mean being greatly influenced by that person or thing. The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology says:
"Just as a person can be full of pain, joy, love, and virtue, he can also be said to be filled with God ..., i.e. possessed and inspired by God." - Vol. 1, p. 734.
Surely we wouldn’t expect anyone who is "filled with" God or who receives the "fulness of" God to actually be God! Nor would we expect anyone who has the "fulness of" Christ to actually be Christ! In fact it clearly shows that he is NOT the person or thing with which he is "filled"!
So, when we read Eph. 1:22,23 - "the church, which is his body, the fulness of him who fills all in all" - we do not think that all true Christians are actually Christ. The New Oxford Annotated Bible (1977) tells us in a footnote for this scripture:
"the Church, as the fulness of Christ, is the complement of his mystic [figurative] person; he is the head, the Church is his body."
Popular trinitarian NT Greek scholar, W. E. Vine, explains:
"Fill, Fill Up": "... (a) of the members of the Church, the Body of Christ, as filled by Him", Eph. 1:23 (‘all things in all the members’); ... in 3:19, of their being filled ... ‘with’ all the fulness of God….." - p. 426, An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words.
Yes, at Eph. 3:19 we actually see Paul expressing the thought "that you [Ephesian Christians] may be filled with all the fulness of God" - RSV, KJV, etc. And at Eph. 4:13 we find - "until we all attain ... to the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ" - RSV.
Even the trinitarian reference work, the New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, commenting about the word "fullness" at Col. 2:9 ("In his [Jesus’] body lives the fullness of divinity" - JB), tells us:
"this fullness which is described in Col. 1:15-18 is entirely related to Christ’s cross (v. 20), death (v. 22), and resurrection (v. 18). For this reason believers also have this fullness in him (2:10)." - Vol. 1, p. 740, Zondervan, 1986. - See AT, CBW, NAB (especially 1991 ed.).
For exactly the same reasons that we don’t allow such figurative language to persuade us that all true Christians actually are (or may become) God or Christ, we should not let it persuade us that Christ is actually God!
The Bible tells us how essential to eternal life it is to know God and Jesus (John 17:3 and 2 Thess. 1:8, 9). Therefore, if one "knows" Jesus as God and "knows" God as three (or two) persons and such "knowledge" turns out to be false, then he is certainly not on the road to eternal life!
And as we saw above, if Christians can be "filled with" God and receive the "fulness of" God, we know by this very wording that they are not God! And we know that those Christians who had the "fulness of" Christ could not actually be Christ! The very wording itself shows that someone else is "filling" (or influencing) the person who is being "filled" (influenced). In fact it clearly shows that he CANNOT be the person (or thing) with whom he is "filled"!
Therefore, those Christians who are "filled with" or have the "fulness" of God are not God! Those Christians who are "filled with" or have the "fulness" of Christ are not Christ! Those men and women who are "filled with" or have the "fulness" of the Holy Spirit are not the Holy Spirit!! And even if we interpret Col. 2:9 as meaning that Christ has the fullness of "Godhood" in him, it still cannot mean Christ is God!!
tigger 2
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"Begotten” and “created” are English words carefully chosen by Bible translators to convey the meaning of the Hebrew and Greek words of the original manuscripts as closely as possible. So first we should determine what the words “created” and “begotten” actually mean in English. The Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary, 1963 ed. that I have at home says:
“create ... 1: to bring into existence...3 : cause, make” - p. 195.
"beget ... begot ... begotten ... 1 : to procreate as the father : sire 2 : cause” - p. 77.
These two words can share the identical meaning of “cause to be.” That is, we may say the mother (or father) has brought into existence a child or (more often) someone has begotten some thing that he built or caused somehow.
The Hebrew word yalad means “to bear, bring forth, beget”- Gesenius, #3205, but it can be used (as the equivalent English word also can) for “cause to be.” For example, when God says he “begot”/”fathered” (yalad) the nation of Israel (Deut. 32:6, 18), he clearly means that he caused it to be or created it as a nation. There is no implication that it was somehow begotten out of the very substance of his body. In like manner God calls the nation of Israel his son, his firstborn because it was the very first nation created by him and for him (cf. Ex. 4:22). Again, anything Jehovah causes to be may be said to be “begotten” by him and is his “offspring.”
“Do you thus repay [YHWH], O foolish and senseless people? Is not he your father, who created you, who made you and established you?” - Deut. 32:6, NRSV.
“You forsook the creator who begot [yalad] you and ceased to care for God who brought you to birth.” - Deut. 32:18, NEB.
“Men of Athens [nonChristians], .... The God who made the world and everything in it ... does not live in shrines made by man. .... Being then God’s offspring, we ought not to think that the Deity is like gold or silver, or stone...” - Acts 17:22, 24, 29, RSV.
In Ps. 90:2 we also see yalad used in the sense of created: “Before the mountains were born [yalad] or you brought forth the earth” - NIV, AT, JB, NJB, NAB (1991), NASB; “begotten” - NAB (1970); “were given birth” - MLB. Or, “Before the mountains were created, before the earth was formed.” - Living Bible, cf. TEV. So, the Hebrew word most often translated “begotten, brought forth” may also be understood (as in English) to mean created or produced.
1 Cor. 8:6 (compare Eph. 4:6) tells us, again, that God is the Father of ALL things. He is the Creator of all things. The very common usage of “Father,” “son,” “begotten,” “born,” etc. is again used here for creation. Not only is God the Father of all created things here, but these things have literally “come out” (ex) from him. (“But to us there is but one God, the Father, [out of - ek/ex] whom are all things”.) Yes, the original New Testament word used here is “ek/ex” which literally means “out of” (W. E. Vine, p.1270) and is commonly used in the sense of generating, begetting. For example, Matt. 1:3 literally reads in the original manuscripts: “Judah generated Perez and Zerah out of [ek] Tamar.” Judah was the father, but the children were literally out of the body (essence, flesh) of their mother Tamar.
The terms “generated” and “begotten” had different meanings for Christians before the 4th century advocates for a trinity idea transformed them into the trinitarian terms that are generally used today. Church historian (and trinitarian) Dr. Williston Walker writes in his classic work, A History of the Christian Church, 4th ed.:
“[The beginning of the 4th century debates over the deity of Christ] hinged in turn on interpretation of the Greek term gennetos [‘generated’] as that was applied to the Son. [Although] traditionally translated ‘begotten,’ in Greek philosophical terminology [as well as in Scriptural terminology: Luke 7:28; Jn 3:5; 1 Jn 5:1; Ps. 90:2; Prov. 8:25], it had a broader and hence vaguer sense. It denoted anything which in any way ‘came to be’ and hence anything ‘derivative’ or ‘generated.’ Christian thought had early learned to express its monotheistic stance by insisting that God is the sole agennetos (‘underived,’ ‘ungenerated’ [‘unbegotten’]): that is, the unique and absolute first principle. By contrast with God, all else that exists - including the Logos, God’s Son - was described as generated [‘begotten’].” - p. 132, Charles Scribner’s Sons, Macmillan Publishing Co., 1985. [Emphasis and bracketed material added. - RDB]
Early Christian Justin Martyr (c. 100-165 A.D.) wrote:
God alone is unbegotten and incorruptible, and therefore He is God, but all other things after him are created [genneta] and corruptible {Justin has just concurred that the world itself was begotten by God} .... take your stand on one Unbegotten [agennetou], and say this is the Cause of all. - ANF 1:197 (‘Dialogue’).
But,
Jesus Christ is the only proper Son who has been begotten by God, being His Word and first-begotten - ANF 1:170 (‘Apology’).
And thus do we also, since our persuasion by the Word, stand aloof from them (i.e., the demons), and follow the only unbegotten God through His Son - ANF 1:167 ('Apology').
Furthermore,
Remember, angels and men are called sons of God in scripture. This obviously does not mean the spirit person who created everything literally gave birth (in the sense of earthly creatures) to them!
Semantics games.
Washington was the father of this nation, which obviously in that context can’t mean the nation was made out of his exact substance and human nature - but if he was the father off a son, the same word would mean he sired progeny from himself, of the same human nature, in fact with his chromosomes being part of his son.
Same thing is obviously true with God. If He begat a nation, that’s completely different from begetting a son. To beget a son means to reproduce yourself in the same nature and substance that you are.
Washington couldn’t possibly have begotten a son that was less than human, like a monkey.
Neither can God beget a son that is less in nature and substance than Himself.
And that’s what the Jews also know, and why they sought to stone Jesus to death for saying He’s the son of God.
They could not accept that messiah could be the son of god, because that also makes Him God the Son - since to them that would be polytheism, as their favorite scripture quote is that God is ONE GOD.
Colossians 1:14-22 14 Jesus===in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. 15The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been ""created through him and for him."" ""17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together."" 18And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross. 21Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. 22But now he has reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation-
You do know that since Jesus made every single thing that was made, and existed before all things, that He was not part of what was created - and that the term ‘firstborn of all creation” is a term meaning He’s the head over all creation, and not that He was the first to be created - right?
Otherwise it would have to mean that Jesus created Himself, which would be kind of hard to do...
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