PS95
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Why don't you simply answer my questions matthew? You are doing a lot of accusing but you are not answering a thing.
Jesus proclaims to pray to the Father.
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That must be the Jehovah witness part that still lives in you.
Who have I accused?
What do you want? What is your question. Im not going back to whatever was just presented.
I'm angsty, and riled up over here in my flesh for reasons I can't express right now, nor care to.
PS95
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I know exactly why you have that anger in your flesh. It's what happens. I have an army of Jw family with it.
it's not righteous anger, and yes it is fleshly. You are no longer content in Jesus.- that doubt is precisely what false teachers are trying to cause you. Jesus is the only way to the Father. You can't get to know the Father better by spouting off pronunciations and telling others how to pray. That is outward and fleshly. The Father wants you to worship Him in Spirit and Truth. ( Holy Spirit) and (Jesus is the Truth).
Dang dude, that is a lot of projecting. That is terrible way to communicate. I wish people learned how truly communicate better.
I honestly wish you would have just asked your questions, and over look me by mercy. Instead I get this. It's laughable, its really disingenuous.
Though I'm stout with you, I hope you all the best, no doubt. I really don't get some of you people. You don't really know how to commune and consider and just thats the problem.
Everyone (it feels like sometimes) looks at me like I am in the need of correcting. You are all seriously wrong about that, and should let Yahavah correct me.
And of course love my neighbor as myself, and I would want someone to be just as hard on me.
Yahweh/Yahavah has worked on me through a lot in life, and to not think I'm not content with God is just no ones call.
I find that highly offensive, and @PS95 whatever your question is I may or may not answer if you have any questions for me.
Just because I express that Jesus used the Fathers name, and that means we too can use the Fathers name. That is all.
However people want to pray, be it to Jesus, be it Yahavah, do whatever you want, but I believe it's highly profitable to follow suit in how Yeshua stated for us to pray.
Praying to the Father, you can use Yahavah. God's not offended because we use his name. I believe its more that God would be offended if you used his name to profit off others, or tell others how they should think, that is something which you can use "God's name in vain." Or however that scripture reads out.
Yahweh/Yahavah has worked on me through a lot in life, and to not think I'm not content with God is just no ones call.
I find that highly offensive, and @PS95 whatever your question is I may or may not answer if you have any questions for me.
Just because I express that Jesus used the Fathers name, and that means we too can use the Fathers name. That is all.
However people want to pray, be it to Jesus, be it Yahavah, do whatever you want, but I believe it's highly profitable to follow suit in how Yeshua stated for us to pray.
Praying to the Father, you can use Yahavah. God's not offended because we use his name. I believe its more that God would be offended if you used his name to profit off others, or tell others how they should think, that is something which you can use "God's name in vain." Or however that scripture reads out.
ScottA
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These are big questions/matters, so one at a time:
Jesus did not "become" One with the Father, but was One before--for eternity. Then He "became" the "image" of God like all other men, and when God's concept of extending His tent to include mankind was "finished", Jesus was no longer an "image" sent to that concept world, but was/is simply One again. One God.
As far as it all making sense--on the contrary, it makes perfect sense. It would simply be like a father separated from his children for the first years of their life, during which time he sent them only pictures ("images") and letters. It is only when you add thousands of years of details, and examples, and parables, and life experiences like so many skits...that it can get confusing. That is the result of believing the examples are what is real rather than what they are only examples or "images" of.
ScottA
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Jesus was not God per se while He was a mere image of God. Not unlike any of us also. In fact, we call this life--and it's not life at all until we pass from being a mere created image to be as God--that is of the same spirit, and One because He is one.
As for giving everything back to God, that is our calling also.
He did after overcoming the flesh, and ascending, and being given the throne. Perhaps that is what you don't understand.
How can you say he didn't become one again with his Father. Jesus expressed "Me and my Father are one." One in what? They are one in purpose...
However, it seems to me they combined when becoming the Lord God Almighty.
I am afraid I don't understand anything that you are saying. I don't see anything confusing. Please write simpler for me.
Perhaps you are simply combining way to many things at once.
Yeah exactly. Thats what I hating hearing. The blanket statement is "Jesus is God."
People need to explain that... cause it's confusing terminology for people.
The trinity has done such a number on people; and Im not saying these people are not saved by faith.
Because that is the NORMAL route MANY people go down. Which is just a terrible way in my opinion.
Even in their combination you have Yahavah, Yeshua, as the Lord God Almighty, both in their rightful positions. With the Son sitting on the Throne of His Father. And the chain of command remains the same. Yeshua is our way to the Father.
I just explained how it's possible, in post #28 in simple lay mans terms.
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ScottA
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Okay.
It is not that Jesus "became" One with the Father, but rather that He became a man after already being One with the Father.
But our perspective and our disadvantage viewpoint that has cause Jesus' identity to appear almost opposite of what is actually true. In reality, "He was, and is, and is to come" is the proper order and perspective. Meaning: He was One with the Father, then is or was the Christ, then again was and now is come One...as ultimately, He always was.
Becoming the Christ was just a side trip to do Himself what no one else could successfully do. Such is the parable of the wicked vinedressers (Matthew 21:33-41).
All of which also means that all was before the foundation of the world, and is only now revealed through the course of time. Which is the grace of God to bring His children through all that was before, in a slow and gentle manner. Anything less would ultimately be too traumatic for children to survive it. So, all of history (His story), is rather "precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little there a little" until all is revealed--which is not God's reality, but rather His story...like the words of a book that is already written and only now read in our hearing. "Then comes the end"--the end of this time of gentle revelation of all that was before the foundation of the world.
ScottA
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The problem here, is that you make it seem as if it all began at the beginning of creation...which is simply not true. On the contrary, it is only the revelation of these events that began at the beginning of creation. The actual events themselves occurred (past tense) "before the foundation of the world", and are only now revealed during the course of time--His story.
Behold
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@ScottA,
I believe that from my perspective you are missing a key piece to what I am giving you.
Do you remember the vision on the Mount, with Moses and who else showed up? Elijah?
Transfiguration. This will take you, to Daniel, and it will also take you to Revelation.
I continue to give the answer: Jesus is not at the right hand of the Father anymore. He is on the seat with his Father. This again, will be founded at Revelation. This is when the end of the Age would come about, upon that nation in that day in age, and it would never be so great again. Once that was over, Jesus sits with his Father, and Jesus also gives everything back to his Father, and Jesus is Subjected to the Father.
I don't know if you want to look at the verses or not. I am telling you here.
Go and look at what I have given to you. I don't understand what you are saying here. Perhaps it's just a misunderstanding.
There is no person named Jesus Christ in the beginning with God. It was the Word of God that was with God, and the Holy Spirit was there which came from Yahweh.
There are such seeings as Christo-phines which are probably showing of Yeshua to come perhaps being sent as an "A"ngel of the Lord, in visions, possible human form? (Founded in the Old Testament)
You can correct me on this that is fine, but these are some things I have learned over time from just learning.
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