Jewish Wedding Misleading

[veteran]

According to Jewish wedding tradition some have been trying to use that as an excuse to disregard prophetic Scripture about the time of our Lord Jesus' second coming and gathering of His Church.


Here's the order of the Jewish wedding tradition:

1. On the day of the wedding, the bride put on white robes and jewels covered with a veil and garland. The bridegroom dressed in his best with a headdress.

2. The bridegroom then went to the bride's house to gather her with her parents blessing. He was accompanied by his friends, muscians and singers, and if at night those with torches to light the way.

3. Then the whole group went to the bridegroom's house or his father's house, and other friends would join in on the way.

4. Then a feast at the bridegroom's or his father's house was held for the whole group.

5. In the evening, the bride was escorted to the nuptial chambers by her parents, and the groom by his friends or bride's parents.

6. The feast was then continued the next day unto seven days.


In our Lord Jesus' parable of the ten virgins per Matt.25, the ten virgins have lamps with oil in them in prep for the wedding, waiting for the Bridegroom (our Lord Jesus). Per the Jewish wedding if at night, they were to accompany the bride and groom with torches to his or his father's house.

In other words, those ten virgins are part of the wedding per the parable, but not the bride in the Jewish wedding tradition. Yet those ten virgins do... represent believers on Jesus per our Lord Jesus' parable. But our Lord was not speaking of the bride role there according to Jewish tradition. Nor is the bride a part of the Marriage-Supper parable our Lord gave.


Per the Marriage of The Lamb (Jesus Christ), here's who the Bride is...

Rev 21:9-10
9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, "Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife."
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
(KJV)

Rev 21:2
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
(KJV)


With all the hoopla about Christ's coming to gather His Church as the Bride, and many that associate a Pre-trib rapture with it, it's all for nought, because per Scripture the real Bride of The Lamb Jesus Christ is the holy city New Jerusalem coming down from God out of Heaven.

How can that be? Back in Ezekiel 16 our Heavenly Father declared His love for Jerusalem, and how He cleansed her to make her His Bride. And He married her.

We as Christ's Church are represented as virgins espoused to one Husband (2 Cor.11), and God does use the idea of betrothing us to Him (Hosea), but when Scripture is specific about the Marriage and Wedding of The Lamb, His Bride is the New Jerusalem. And we as virgins with lamps and Oil to light the way are called to that Wedding and Marriage.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Good observations. We are Jerusalem's children who are invited to her wedding festival.

 

[jiggyfly]

We are Christ's body, I agree that the body is not the bride.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

We are Christ's body, I agree that the body is not the bride.

Eh, well, I'm not so sure about that. Paul did say "we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones." The only way I can see that happening is if, corporately, we are his wife. The logical conclusion from this is that the body of Christ is Jerusalem.

 

[Angelina]

but Jerusalem is a woman [bride] Revelation 21:9, 10...Jesus is a man [groom] [ Also the head of the body of Christ - Church] :huh:

 

[PropphecyStudent]

...
Rev 21:2
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
(KJV)


... per Scripture the real Bride of The Lamb Jesus Christ is the holy city New Jerusalem coming down from God out of Heaven.
...

Puzzling.

What good is a city without inhabitants? Who is God except He be worshiped? And what pearly gates, streets of gold, and mansions can worship God?




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[veteran]

In case some forgot to read my last paragraph in the original post, I did mention how God's Word does indeed use the idea of us being virgins betrothed to one Husband (Christ) (2 Cor.11). Isaiah 54 is a type of dual-prophecy, applying the concept of the married wife two ways, for Jerusalem as a wife and also God's people. So both are included metaphorically, yet Jerusalem is especially stressed as Christ's Bride per Scripture because of how God revealed His feelings about Jerusalem in Ezekiel 16.

 

[Lively Stone]

Jerusalem is a people, and we are the new Jerusalem, that city of God that comes down to Earth who is decked out AS A BRIDE, not IS A BRIDE.

 

[PropphecyStudent]

Jerusalem is a people, and we are the new Jerusalem, that city of God that comes down to Earth who is decked out AS A BRIDE, not IS A BRIDE.

LOL, -- I never considered that perspecitve! Thanks Lively Stone.

 

[veteran]

Jerusalem is a people, and we are the new Jerusalem, that city of God that comes down to Earth who is decked out AS A BRIDE, not IS A BRIDE.

Nice attempt with a play on words, but it's impossible to get around the meaning, especially with this other Scripture witness of the identity of the Lamb's wife...

Rev 21:9-10
9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, "Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife."
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

 

[Lively Stone]

Nice attempt with a play on words, but it's impossible to get around the meaning, especially with this other Scripture witness of the identity of the Lamb's wife...

Rev 21:9-10
9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, "Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife."
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

The Lamb's wife is His people, and the New Jerusalem is where we shall live.

 

[veteran]

The Lamb's wife is His people, and the New Jerusalem is where we shall live.

The Lamb's wife is the New Jerusalem, as written.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Jerusalem is a people, and we are the new Jerusalem, that city of God that comes down to Earth who is decked out AS A BRIDE, not IS A BRIDE.

Jerusalem is a city. It is a dwelling place.

In my Father’s house there are many dwelling places; but if not, I would have told you, because I am going away to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to myself, so that where I am, you may be also. John 14:2-3​

Just as we have bodies as our dwelling abodes, so the assembly of Christ has Jerusalem as it's dwelling abode.

 

[Angelina]

We could not possibly be Jerusalem when we are the body of which Christ is the head....Surely that makes us part of the grooms side and not the Brides.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The Lamb's wife is His people, and the New Jerusalem is where we shall live.

The Lamb's wife is the New Jerusalem, where His people shall live.

 

[veteran]

Jerusalem is a city. It is a dwelling place.

In my Father’s house there are many dwelling places; but if not, I would have told you, because I am going away to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to myself, so that where I am, you may be also. John 14:2-3​

Just as we have bodies as our dwelling abodes, so the assembly of Christ has Jerusalem as it's dwelling abode.

The Lamb's wife per Rev.21:9-10 is the New Jerusalem, as written.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

We could not possibly be Jerusalem when we are the body of which Christ is the head....Surely that makes us part of the grooms side and not the Brides.

But a man is the head, and his bride is the body. The two are separate, but one flesh, just as the lamb and Jerusalem are one spirit. Head in this case means ruler, not a physical head.

 

[veteran]

Ezek 16:1-63
1 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,
3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.

God uses the idea of Jerusalem's original pagan mother and father to the pagan Amorite and Hittite peoples. Yet Jerusalem is a city!


4 And as for thy nativity, in the day thou wast born thy navel was not cut, neither wast thou washed in water to supple thee; thou wast not salted at all, nor swaddled at all.
5 None eye pitied thee, to do any of these unto thee, to have compassion upon thee; but thou wast cast out in the open field, to the lothing of thy person, in the day that thou wast born.
6 And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live.
7 I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare.
8 Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread My skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest Mine.

That act of spreading the skirt over a bride represents marriage consumation per the Old Testament times. God symbolically did that with Jerusalem.


9 Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil.
10 I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk.
11 I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.
12 And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.
13 Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.
14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.

 

[Angelina]

But a man is the head, and his bride is the body. The two are separate, but one flesh, just as the lamb and Jerusalem are one spirit

Well I never thought of it like that? :huh: well said! ^_^

 

[Lively Stone]

Isaiah 54:5
Your Maker is your husband— the Lord Almighty is his name.

Isaiah 62:3-5
You will be a crown of splendor in the Lord's hand, a royal diadem in the hand of your God. No longer will they call you Deserted, or name your land Desolate. But you will be called Hephzibah, and your land Beulah [which means married], for the Lord will take delight in you, and your land will be married. As a young man marries a maiden, so will your sons marry you; as a bridegroom rejoices over his bride, so will your God rejoice over you.

Hosea 2:19-20, God speaking to his people:
I will betroth you to me forever; I will betroth you in righteousness and justice, in love and compassion. I will betroth you in faithfulness, and you will acknowledge the Lord.

Jesus speaks of himself as the bridegroom.


Mark 2:18-20
Some people came and asked Jesus, "How is it that John's disciples and the disciples of the Pharisees are fasting, but yours are not?" Jesus answered, "How can the guests of the bridegroom fast while he is with them? They cannot, so long as they have him with them. But the time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them, and on that day they will fast."


John the Baptist spoke of Jesus as the bridegroom.


John 3:28-30
"You yourselves can testify that I said, 'I am not the Christ but am sent ahead of him.' The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him, and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom's voice. That joy is mine, and is now complete. He [Jesus] must become greater; I must become less."

The church is betrothed, espoused and promised as the intended bride of her husband, Jesus Christ. The marriage is not consummated. That is yet to come.

2 Corinthians 11:2
I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him.

At the end, we see the bride married to Jesus.

Revelation. 19:6-8
"Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns. Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready. Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear." (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the saints.)

Revelation 21:2,9-11
I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.... One of the seven angels... said to me, "Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb." And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. It shone with the glory of God.