JOHN 3:1 ISRAEL MUST BE BORN AGAIN

[Gary Mac]

Prove it! You can't.

it isnt up to me to prove it, all I can do is quote to you who Jesus said he was in God, it is up to you to disprove him. Not I.

Here I'll quote who Jesus said he was in God again. You can tell him he is a lier because I not the one who said it at all as you think I did. LOL.

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.


John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.


John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”


John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.


John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you


John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.


John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.


John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

John 1 The Word was God.

Still is and man is the kingdom in which He lives, See Jesus in Luke 17:20-21, the kingdom o fGod doesnt come with observation it is with me, but obviously not you.

The Word became flesh!

Still does in every man who receives from God Himself His word. All that you see of Gods word is written on stone or in ink, and do not see how His word is written in our hearts and ind of all who God has come to personally and open all of his heaven, His word, in us.

Oh, I consider all the Bible. Try it!

You may consider it but you sure do not follow it.

Gen 1:26 God said let US make man in OUR image according to OUR likeness.

And He did, Adam was the very first to become like God to know this difference from his carnal mind from Gods Spiritual mind. Gen 3;22. Adam was not the first person on this plant proven when his own son went into the land of nod and took a wife, Adam was just the very first man to become like God by the same mind be in him who was God. Gen 3:22. Abraham received that same Spirit, Moses received the same one, Mary received the same On, Jesus received the same One in Matt 3:16, 120 in an upper room received the same one and all today who will has received the same one.

But obviously that is foreign to your understanding to be of the same One.

Col 1 By Him all things were created.

Jesus didnt say that at all, here is what Jesus said instead of soeone else opinions about it that you deny of Jesus himself and cling to Pauls opinions instead.

John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Is there anything in the Bible that you believe to be God's written Word? Anything???

Only what Jesus said of himself and his God that he obeyed and said sent him, and not by a belief at all but identification with the same in me who was in Christ Jesus.

All the rest of what these said about Jesus is their own perspectives about him, just as you are doing.

Jesus is my way not any other man at all. You act as if Jesus, or me, needed man to open in him all of heaven and God Himself is not able.

I didn't say "as a god". YOU did.

True you said Jesus was a God, did not you say Jesus was God?

Are you JW? Do you also deny the everlasting Hell fire?

JW? I dont have a clue what their beliefs are and really do not care, just as I do not care what Mormons, or Catholics or Baptists, or Methodists, or Muslims, or Jehovahs witness, or any other belief system believes. All that I know is God Himself.

Obviously that isnt good enough for you to know God yourself, you rather be under the laws of of one of these beliefs as in one of these mentioned, or one of the some 35,000 different known belief systems for a god.

Who has it right -- You, or one of these, or God?

The truth is you are so afraid to look at things from Gods standpoint of view and spiritually afraid to go a bit further then the creed of man that you have accepted.

Had Jesus not gone on in obedience to receive from God Himself His Spirit of mind, you would have never ever would have even heard of a man named Jesus.

Christian perfection is not and never can be human perfection. Christian perfection is a relationship with god which shows itself amid the irrelevances if human life. They are not the same life at all. Human life is flesh and what sustains it, spiritual life is who we are not what we are, and human life is in constant effort to please God, spiritual life is where we please God that is not an effort at all but the reality of who we are or are not like Him.

As for me and as for Jesus. we are like thew Father of it. which simply is Love for God is a Spirit and that Spirit is Love and man is the kingdom in which He lives.

But for you obviously that isnt good enough.

 

[Jack]

it isnt up to me to prove it, all I can do is quote to you who Jesus said he was in God, it is up to you to disprove him. Not I.

Here I'll quote who Jesus said he was in God again. You can tell him he is a lier because I not the one who said it at all as you think I did. LOL.

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.


John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.


John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”


John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.


John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you


John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.


John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.


John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.




Still is and man is the kingdom in which He lives, See Jesus in Luke 17:20-21, the kingdom o fGod doesnt come with observation it is with me, but obviously not you.

Still does in every man who receives from God Himself His word. All that you see of Gods word is written on stone or in ink, and do not see how His word is written in our hearts and ind of all who God has come to personally and open all of his heaven, His word, in us.


You may consider it but you sure do not follow it.


And He did, Adam was the very first to become like God to know this difference from his carnal mind from Gods Spiritual mind. Gen 3;22. Adam was not the first person on this plant proven when his own son went into the land of nod and took a wife, Adam was just the very first man to become like God by the same mind be in him who was God. Gen 3:22. Abraham received that same Spirit, Moses received the same one, Mary received the same On, Jesus received the same One in Matt 3:16, 120 in an upper room received the same one and all today who will has received the same one.

But obviously that is foreign to your understanding to be of the same One.


Jesus didnt say that at all, here is what Jesus said instead of soeone else opinions about it that you deny of Jesus himself and cling to Pauls opinions instead.

John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


Only what Jesus said of himself and his God that he obeyed and said sent him, and not by a belief at all but identification with the same in me who was in Christ Jesus.

All the rest of what these said about Jesus is their own perspectives about him, just as you are doing.

Jesus is my way not any other man at all. You act as if Jesus, or me, needed man to open in him all of heaven and God Himself is not able.


True you said Jesus was a God, did not you say Jesus was God?


JW? I dont have a clue what their beliefs are and really do not care, just as I do not care what Mormons, or Catholics or Baptists, or Methodists, or Muslims, or Jehovahs witness, or any other belief system believes. All that I know is God Himself.

Obviously that isnt good enough for you to know God yourself, you rather be under the laws of of one of these beliefs as in one of these mentioned, or one of the some 35,000 different known belief systems for a god.

Who has it right -- You, or one of these, or God?

The truth is you are so afraid to look at things from Gods standpoint of view and spiritually afraid to go a bit further then the creed of man that you have accepted.

Had Jesus not gone on in obedience to receive from God Himself His Spirit of mind, you would have never ever would have even heard of a man named Jesus.

Christian perfection is not and never can be human perfection. Christian perfection is a relationship with god which shows itself amid the irrelevances if human life. They are not the same life at all. Human life is flesh and what sustains it, spiritual life is who we are not what we are, and human life is in constant effort to please God, spiritual life is where we please God that is not an effort at all but the reality of who we are or are not like Him.

As for me and as for Jesus. we are like thew Father of it. which simply is Love for God is a Spirit and that Spirit is Love and man is the kingdom in which He lives.

But for you obviously that isnt good enough.

LOTS of Bible that clearly say Jesus is God and Hell Fire is EVERLASTING! Soon you will believe! Since you NEVER sin that makes you God, like Jesus. lol

 

[Gary Mac]

Wow, Gary NEVER sins!

Amen cannot sin because we who are born of God it is impossible to be in sin, cannot sin because I am born of God.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

If you are a sinner then 1 John 3:8 tells plainly who you are of. Read it!

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Are you a sinner or are you without sin? 8-9 plainly tells who we are of doesn't it?

As for me I am of V9.

 

[Gary Mac]

LOTS of Bible that clearly say Jesus is God and Hell Fire is EVERLASTING! Soon you will believe! Since you NEVER sin that makes you God, like Jesus. lol

And a whole lot of people accuse him of being God instead of being Gods child His son. But very few even listen, let alone consider who Jesus said he was in God, and actually accuse him of blaspheme when he clearly state he can do noting at all without his God who sent him.

And even though you read Jesus, and accuse him of being God makes him a liar for you.

And again you falsely accuse me of being God just as Jesus was falsely accused of being God for he was without sin as well. You are supposed to be yourself as well -- but that isnt going to happen to be perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect is it?

And you call me and Jesus false because we are of the same Father who is God?

 

[Gary Mac]

Im not here to show what a wonderful man of God can make of me, Im here to reveal His son in me by birth, He is my Father. And not witness for what God has done for me, but through His baptism of His spirit became witness unto Him where my identity is with Christ, not with the identity of some church doctrinal belief system. And not witness for what Jesus can do, that is elementary witness, but witness unto man my identity is with Him as Jesus was identified with Him and walk in it as Jesus walked in it from the Father be our own disposition, guide.

Most here ar trying to served God in a spirit that is not His.

 

[Gary Mac]

Wow, Gary NEVER sins!

Sin is the absence of the resurrection life that Gods anointing, Christ in you, brings in man, and has gotten out of the intimate contact with God by leaning on religious understandings where perplexities arise where you are not told to walk in the light of our conscious or as sense of duty. but to be without sin and walk in the light as God is in the light of mind, Spirit to be without sin.

As for me I walk in the light as He is in the light. Obvious many here has that absence of that resurrected life and try and condemn we who has.

It is never Gods will that we be anything less than absolutely complete in Him. And the very reason God cannot come into a life and make them complete in Him, Righteous, holy, pure, and without sin, is because not being thorough in repentance.

God is not asking me to be like other people, He is asking me to be exactly like Himself.

 

[Jack]

Amen cannot sin because we who are born of God it is impossible to be in sin, cannot sin because I am born of God.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

If you are a sinner then 1 John 3:8 tells plainly who you are of. Read it!

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Are you a sinner or are you without sin? 8-9 plainly tells who we are of doesn't it?

As for me I am of V9.

Unconfessed sin may be UNFORGIVEN sin!

 

[Jack]

And a whole lot of people accuse him of being God instead of being Gods child His son. But very few even listen, let alone consider who Jesus said he was in God, and actually accuse him of blaspheme when he clearly state he can do noting at all without his God who sent him.

And even though you read Jesus, and accuse him of being God makes him a liar for you.

And again you falsely accuse me of being God just as Jesus was falsely accused of being God for he was without sin as well. You are supposed to be yourself as well -- but that isnt going to happen to be perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect is it?

And you call me and Jesus false because we are of the same Father who is God?

Isaiah 9:6-7
6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.7

 

[Jack]

Sin is the absence of the resurrection life that Gods anointing, Christ in you, brings in man, and has gotten out of the intimate contact with God by leaning on religious understandings where perplexities arise where you are not told to walk in the light of our conscious or as sense of duty. but to be without sin and walk in the light as God is in the light of mind, Spirit to be without sin.

As for me I walk in the light as He is in the light. Obvious many here has that absence of that resurrected life and try and condemn we who has.

It is never Gods will that we be anything less than absolutely complete in Him. And the very reason God cannot come into a life and make them complete in Him, Righteous, holy, pure, and without sin, is because not being thorough in repentance.

God is not asking me to be like other people, He is asking me to be exactly like Himself.

Gary NEVER sins! He's perfect!

 

[Gary Mac]

Gary NEVER sins! He's perfect!

Thank you so much for understanding! 1 John 3:9 is the truth, we who are born of God it is impossible to be in sin, cannot sin because we are born of God, And as is commanded of me to be ye therefore perfect even as your Farther in heaven is perfect is also the truth.

Again thank you. Not many can relate to that, glad that you can, most say that is impossible and actually making 1 John 3:9 and Matt 5:48 a lie. They really do not believe that God takes away the sins of this wold.

 

[Gary Mac]

Isaiah 9:6-7
6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.7

And God has many children that is born of Him. I am one of them. And the government, laws do rest on our shoulders and His name is wonderful which His name is Love, that is who He is and His children has inherited from Him His might disposition of Love, prince of peace. Jesus was born again of Him in Matt 3:16 to be His child just as all His children are.

Many who say they are a child of God only try and adopt themselves into His family by those laws of man that is on their shoulders.

 

[Jack]

And God has many children that is born of Him. I am one of them. And the government, laws do rest on our shoulders and His name is wonderful which His name is Love, that is who He is and His children has inherited from Him His might disposition of Love, prince of peace. Jesus was born again of Him in Matt 3:16 to be His child just as all His children are.

Many who say they are a child of God only try and adopt themselves into His family by those laws of man that is on their shoulders.

Isaiah said Jesus is Mighty God. I believe him.

 

[Jack]

Thank you so much for understanding! 1 John 3:9 is the truth, we who are born of God it is impossible to be in sin, cannot sin because we are born of God, And as is commanded of me to be ye therefore perfect even as your Farther in heaven is perfect is also the truth.

Again thank you. Not many can relate to that, glad that you can, most say that is impossible and actually making 1 John 3:9 and Matt 5:48 a lie. They really do not believe that God takes away the sins of this wold.

Why didn't YOU write our Bible O self professed perfect sinless one?

 

[Fred J]

Love each other, and be humble some times.

We all followers of Jesus Christ.

Love also comes with 'rebukes' and 'correction', so that such a person can become wise and not remain in their 'folly'.

You wouldn't accept either, if we were to love and dance with 'wolves' right?

Jesus and the Apostles did not do that either, but scripturally rather 'expose' them, to 'caution' GOD's lambs and sheep.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ.

 

[Marvelloustime]

And many who THINK they KNOW their eternal destiny , are not even following THE ONE WHO COULD have saved them
NOR TRUSTING IN HIM for their salvation .
Many trust in themselves my friend .
And many also trust in another jesus and can lip verbatum the gospel and yet STILL DO NOT KNOW HIM .
OH its a madhouse all right . BUT THE SOLUTION IS QUITE SIMPLE .
HOW about we all return to JUST reading the bible for ourselves .
WHY o why is it so hard to simply have loved TRUTH for so many . OH there is an answer for that question
but not you or many even within christendom are gonna like that answer .
SOUNDS TOO JUDGEMENTAL TO this generation .
Many are in love with an idea , with a fable . BUT NOT THIS SHEEP .
ONLY TRUTH saves . That sounds bold dont it . GOD IS TRUTH , CHRIST IS TRUTH , THE SPIRIT IS TRUTH
and HIS WORDS ARE TRUTH , HIS GOSPEL IS TRUTH . INTERFAITH IS OF ANTI CHRIST .
The big ol judge not correct not is of the darkness and knows NOT LOVE OR GOD .
But Just know i dont heed science . I dont heed physcology . YOU GOT TWO GROUPS OF PEOPLE N THIS WORLD
THE SAVED AND THE UNSAVED . The saved are those who KNOW AND TRUST IN CHRIST
and the saved POINT TO HIM and have no part in this all inclusive interfaith co exist satanic anti christ false abraham
peace accords .
AND if any has been taken into this dissumalation , ITS WHY WE WARN THEM . GET OUT .
And sheep WILL GET OUT . THEY WONT CONTINUE IN IT . IT LEADS TO THE LIE and to the second death .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

Did you catch the part he left out . JESUS DID say HE IS IN THE FATHER
AS HE ALSO SAID THE FATHER IS IN ME . I DIDNT SEE Him say that part .
I dont think most folks Even have a inkling of understanding
of what it means that in beginning was THE WORD and the WORD was GOD .
I DONT think many understand at all why JESUS Himself could say I AM ALPHA and OMEGA .
GOD IS HIS WORD . HIS WORD is HIS OWN ESSENCE , AS HE IS HIS SPIRIT .
See WHEN GOD SPOKE it was created . GOD simply said the words LET THERE BE LIGHT
and there was light . GOD CREATED ALL THINGS BY JESUS THE CHRIST . BY HIS WORD . HE SPOKE .
JESUS IS HIS OWN ESSENCE COMING FORTH OF HIM IN HIS WORDS .
But even that i admit can be hard to be understood .
BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS , WOE TO THOSE WHO DENY GOD ALL MIGHTY , AND IF ONE DENIES CHRIST , THEY JUST DID
DENY GOD ALL MIGHTY HIMSELF . NOW THIS IS A FACT that none can argue .
AND here is another fact
IF ONE DENIES HIS WORDS , OH THEY HAVE DENIED HIM .
Cause i know for a fact NOT YOU , NOT ME
NOT any has SEEN HIM .
SO HOW do they know they follow him and love him .
TRUTH .
IF a man recieves NOT TRUTH but rather tries to find a way around it , OH DEAR it aint gonna bode well for them .
Because if we cannot love and embrace TRUTH , THEN HOW DO WE LOVE AND EMBRACE GOD
CHRIST , THE SPIRIT , WHO IS TRUTH and WOULD ONLY TESTIFY OF TRUTH . bible time for all . BIBLE TIME FOR ALL .
LETS SEE what words we love . IS IT men who explained away HIS words , OR IS IT SIMPLY THE TRUTH of HIS WORDS .
BIBLE TIME .

@amigo de christo

 

[Gary Mac]

Why didn't YOU write our Bible O self professed perfect sinless one?

Because I only live what I should of it, copy and past who Jesus said he was in God and that I should be and am, then only repeat what is written in it that you might see what is in it. Not like most who rewrites it, edits it to suit your own understanding of it.

It works for me for spiritually it is discerned and no need to write my own as most here are trying to do from their carnal mind who can't see the spiritual connotation in it.

If you are not perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect as it state you should be in Matt 5:48, nor without sin as 1 John 3:9 says we are who is born of God, nor walk as He walks in His same lieght with the same signs follow you, then you already have rewritten it havent you?

 

[Gary Mac]

Isaiah said Jesus is Mighty God. I believe him.

He couldn't have, Jesus didnt even exist in Isaiahs time. He spoke of God being in man just as when Jesus came along did. Men anointed of God, Christos, Gods saints, Gods righteous ones.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I totally understand, I have been down that same belief system myself for many many years. Taught it preached it, but the moment that I stopped debating with God Himself about Him being flesh instead of Spirit, is the moment that he came to me just as He did in Jesus in Matt 3:16 and all of these we read about where the Spirit of God came to resides in each of these where the Spirit of God witnesses to the redemption of being as He is and in His same image that is not flesh at all but is Spirit, the mind of. And God does not witness to anything else at all.

Jesus was very clear to Thomas, who was much as your beliefs but Jesus straightened him out when he told Thomas that Spirit that God is does not have flesh and bone as you see me. And Jesus went on to explain where God resides in Luke 17:20-21. It doesnt come with observation as you see me, it is with you. Or is supposed to be.

It isnt that God won't reveal Himself, it is that He cant because one will not let Him as Jesus let Him in Matt 3:16. That is the only way you will know the truth is from God Himself come and introduce Himself in you and open in you who He is and all of His heaven in you. Not even Jesus could escape that Fact proven in Matt 3:16. Go0d did what? He opens all of His heaven in that man. Very few even believe what is actually written.

I wish you knew how to write grammatically correct English. No wonder you have a hard time understanding Scripture.

 

[GodsGrace]

@amigo de christo
That's a good point. Don't say it again because it's no use.

It's always useful.

Heresy must be countered.