JOHN 3:1 ISRAEL MUST BE BORN AGAIN

[Jack]

I do indeed. Mine contains only who Jesus said he was in God and that we are supposed to have the same from God as he had from Him.

As for me by identification with the same God in me was was in Christ Jesus, Jesus is the way in the Father for me.

If you take everything out of that bible except what Jesus said of himself and his God he was of Who sent him to show us the way to his God, you also would have a true and tiny bible witch-out all these others opinions about it.


Instead of me writing a bible as all of these we read of who did would be a waste of time For Jesus already had it all right. Why would I want to change what Jesus said of himself and his GHod that he could do nothing at all without. nor can I. It would be useless to try to write it. But I can give testimony how God Himself changed my life just as Jesus gave testimony for how God changed his, from the Bible he that he once taught as rabbi, to actually being of the God of heaven in Matt 3:16.


That's what Im talkin bout. Why change who Jesus said he was in God and that I am in God the same? That would be really foolish to even think of changing who Jesus was and God is and I am of the same One.


Go to church? I am His church and so are we all who has the same from God as Jesus had from Him. We are anointed of God Himself, not some preacher from a pulpit that people pay a man to hear god for them. LOL.

What church did Jesus go to? Catholic, Mormon, Jehovah witness, Baptist, methodist, AOG, COC, Muslim, ? Which church did Jesus go to? LOL. You dont have a clue about anything Jesus said. All that you know is what man said about him from their own ideas about it.

BTY who is Stevie? LOL

You can't think of even one Bible verse that's God's Word???

 

[Gary Mac]

Matthew wrote that. Now you know.

Quote us some Bible that you believe is God's written Word! Can you?

Yes and Jesus confirmed it with you should be born again by having that same renewing of mind that he received from God and born again.

 

[Gary Mac]

You can't think of even one Bible verse that's God's Word???

You would have to know what it says first in order to make such an assessment of yourself.

 

[Gary Mac]

Matthew wrote that. Now you know.

Quote us some Bible that you believe is God's written Word! Can you?

OH Absolutely! Here is a very good example. Jesus was sent by Him to present His word. And His word is not written on stone nor in ink but in the hearts and minds of we who has received from God Himself who He is and all of His heaven was opened in us and became living and flows out from us as living waters.

The written word is only mans own testimopnied of their own dealings with God. It is only an instruction manual for how to recevein in you God word that is not in ink, But by identification with Jesus testimony for who he was in God, I am identified with the same.

But you and many others can identify with Paul or Peter or another and call it the word of God, and can not be identified with the same Teacher as Jesus had from God Himself. That just isnt in your doctrine.

But here is Jesus testimony about the One that he met in Matt 3:16, and that I met the same, for I have the very same testimony, same identity with God Himself. Something that you yourself never has conceded for yourself that is very obvious.

I met God 4 years before I ever read a bible. If you are interested in how that happened I will be glad to take the time to write it. It was a miracle from God Himself.

And these words that is written in a bible, which bible simply means kittle books, describes who I am in the Father, and who you are supposed to be in the father, but very few here actually follow Jesus in his ways in the Father do they!

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.


John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.


John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”


John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.


John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you


John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.


John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.


John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.


John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?


John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

 

[Jack]

Yes and Jesus confirmed it with you should be born again by having that same renewing of mind that he received from God and born again.

Where did Jesus confirm it??? Give us some Bible.

 

[Jack]

You would have to know what it says first in order to make such an assessment of yourself.

I was referring to YOU.

 

[Jack]

OH Absolutely! Here is a very good example. Jesus was sent by Him to present His word. And His word is not written on stone nor in ink but in the hearts and minds of we who has received from God Himself who He is and all of His heaven was opened in us and became living and flows out from us as living waters.

The written word is only mans own testimopnied of their own dealings with God. It is only an instruction manual for how to recevein in you God word that is not in ink, But by identification with Jesus testimony for who he was in God, I am identified with the same.

But you and many others can identify with Paul or Peter or another and call it the word of God, and can not be identified with the same Teacher as Jesus had from God Himself. That just isnt in your doctrine.

But here is Jesus testimony about the One that he met in Matt 3:16, and that I met the same, for I have the very same testimony, same identity with God Himself. Something that you yourself never has conceded for yourself that is very obvious.

I met God 4 years before I ever read a bible. If you are interested in how that happened I will be glad to take the time to write it. It was a miracle from God Himself.

Please elaborate.

And these words that is written in a bible, which bible simply means kittle books, describes who I am in the Father, and who you are supposed to be in the father, but very few here actually follow Jesus in his ways in the Father do they!

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.


John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.


John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”


John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.


John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you


John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.


John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.


John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.


John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?


John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

John wrote all that.

 

[Gary Mac]

Where did Jesus confirm it??? Give us some Bible.

WOW do you really have to ask?

In Matt 3:16. God came to that man and opened a new heaven and earth and who He is in Jesus and Jesus went on to say after that this. How do we know Jesus was converted to Gods ways? Matt 3:16 really is very clear how. But then you would have to believe Matt 3:16 that God did.

And if you will note, he didnt say this before Matt 3:16.

John 3:3 KJV - Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be BORN AGAIN, he CANNOT SEE the kingdom of God.

Havent seen it have you?

Matthew 18:3 KJV - And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be CONVERTED, and become as LITTLE children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

But to you and most here, think God had only one child, a son named Jesus. And that verse clearly states why to most here God had only one child, a son.

May I ask why you are so dead set opposed to Jesus and continue to try and debunk who he said he was in God and who you should be in God the same? You are clear that Jesus betrayed you in some sort of way as he did the Jews as they say the same about him as you do?

It really isnt hard to distinguish that God opened Jesus mind to a knowledge that he had not prior of God coming to him by the Spirit that He his and open up all of His heaven in Jesus. You just do not believe Matt 3:16 is all. For it is very obvious that same from God hasn't happened in you has it? Born again with that same knowledge that comes only by God Himself.

And where did Jesus say Gods kingdom is? Was it not in Luke 17:20-21. It does not come with observation like a man of flesh as a god that you can observe. The kingdom of Hod is within us all whop is born of Him. The kingdom of God is not within you is it. Evident y you cannot relate to that. You are very clear in that by trying to debunk what happened in Jesus. And obviously you have not been converted to Gods same disposition of mind that man houses within ourselves, that is very obvious. You cant be as Jesus was in the Father, the example that God sent for us to be like ourselves as God commands of us all can you!

 

[Gary Mac]

I was referring to YOU.

I know, and I was referring to you.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Oh no' I do not think that at all, but I do have the same divine nature of God as my own spirit of mind.

I which you had Gods same divine nature so you would be so confused for spiritually, the mind of God is, is only discerned. The very reason His ways are not understood for you, You cant understand Gods ways at all least He is in you to interpret it for you without you guessing


Yes, spiritual it is to one who is without His understanding. You cant comprehend who God says He is at all least you let Him interpret it in you.


Bingo. and it is in tongues for those who cant underside the spiritual connotation from od same language who is a Spirit. , ironic is that the message in tongues simply is that it take faith to do it. Most dont have enough faith to even speak it, let alone heal the sick.


Jesus wasnt right either to the same.


SO are we all who has the same Father as he had. He in me and I inHim are one. John 17, read it, that prayer from Jesus to his God was manifest in me, answered, but evidently not for you.

Thus endeth this discussion. You write in too much grammatic lousy ways as to not understand what you are saying. the things I do understand are your subtle insults and implications. Have the last word.

 

[Gary Mac]

Thus endeth this discussion. You write in too much grammatic lousy ways as to not understand what you are saying. the things I do understand are your subtle insults and implications. Have the last word.

Nah, you just do not like the message in it, it puts you under conviction from your own iniquities to be in the Father as Jesus was in the Father as is commanded of you if you are to be of Christ, anointed of God yourself is all.

And that is exactly why you do not understand the spiritual connotations that come only by having God same Spirit of mind, you only use that as an excuse not to be anointed of God , which would be Christ in you, to be His Christ that you are supposed to be.

This who has the mind of Christ understands perfectly.

 

[ElieG12]

Jesus in saying "Ye must be born again" speaks of the nation of Israel.

The modern nation of Israel has nothing to do with Jesus Christ.

 

[Gary Mac]

The modern nation of Israel has nothing to do with Jesus Christ.

True they do not follow the ways of Christ never have, but that does not negate the fact that if one is to be of God, no matter who they are, there is no escaping to receive from God Himself His disposition of mind to be like Him and walk in it as He was in it.

Not Even Jesus as a Jewish rabbi could escape that fact proven in Matt 3:16. when he was born again of God with that renewing of his mind that only God Himself can open in man who He is and all of His heaven in us.

 

[Jack]

WOW do you really have to ask?

In Matt 3:16. God came to that man and opened a new heaven and earth and who He is in Jesus and Jesus went on to say after that this. How do we know Jesus was converted to Gods ways? Matt 3:16 really is very clear how. But then you would have to believe Matt 3:16 that God did.

And if you will note, he didnt say this before Matt 3:16.

John 3:3 KJV - Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be BORN AGAIN, he CANNOT SEE the kingdom of God.

Havent seen it have you?

Matthew 18:3 KJV - And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be CONVERTED, and become as LITTLE children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

But to you and most here, think God had only one child, a son named Jesus. And that verse clearly states why to most here God had only one child, a son.

May I ask why you are so dead set opposed to Jesus and continue to try and debunk who he said he was in God and who you should be in God the same? You are clear that Jesus betrayed you in some sort of way as he did the Jews as they say the same about him as you do?

It really isnt hard to distinguish that God opened Jesus mind to a knowledge that he had not prior of God coming to him by the Spirit that He his and open up all of His heaven in Jesus. You just do not believe Matt 3:16 is all. For it is very obvious that same from God hasn't happened in you has it? Born again with that same knowledge that comes only by God Himself.

And where did Jesus say Gods kingdom is? Was it not in Luke 17:20-21. It does not come with observation like a man of flesh as a god that you can observe. The kingdom of Hod is within us all whop is born of Him. The kingdom of God is not within you is it. Evident y you cannot relate to that. You are very clear in that by trying to debunk what happened in Jesus. And obviously you have not been converted to Gods same disposition of mind that man houses within ourselves, that is very obvious. You cant be as Jesus was in the Father, the example that God sent for us to be like ourselves as God commands of us all can you!

John, Luke and Matthew wrote those, not Jesus.

 

[Jack]

I know, and I was referring to you.

My question that you DODGED was "You can't think of even one Bible verse that's God's Word???"

 

[Doug]

The modern nation of Israel has nothing to do with Jesus Christ.

I was not referring to the present nation of Israel...................[Luk 7:5 KJV] 5 For he loveth our nation, and he hath built us a synagogue.

 

[Gary Mac]

My question that you DODGED was "You can't think of even one Bible verse that's God's Word???"

I dodged? You are correct, Gods word is not written on stone, nor in ink on a page of paper. God Himself comes to man and gives us His will for us Himself. His word is living not on a page of paper LOL.

You dont have a clues what any of this is about.

 

[Gary Mac]

I was not referring to the present nation of Israel...................[Luk 7:5 KJV] 5 For he loveth our nation, and he hath built us a synagogue.

Yes the one full of mans laws for a god that Jesus left as rabbi when God Himself came and opened in that Man who He is and all of His heaven in him. Not the same God as Jesus received in himself at all. The ones of that synagogue are the very ones who had Jesus crucified for blaspheme against their laws for a god did they not?

 

[Gary Mac]

John, Luke and Matthew wrote those, not Jesus.

Yes they wrote Jesus quotes I totally agree. You just do not believe the quotes is all and the very reason that you buck against who Jesus said he was in God in those quotes, making every excuse to belittle who Jesus said he was in God.

 

[Jack]

I dodged? You are correct, Gods word is not written on stone, nor in ink on a page of paper. God Himself comes to man and gives us His will for us Himself. His word is living not on a page of paper LOL.

You dont have a clues what any of this is about.

You gave me a BIG clue about you. You reject the Christian Bible! YOU said so!