EG,
I have a complete understanding of how you, a mere man who is reading Scripture 2,000 years after it was written, do not believe that John 6 and the Last Supper are connected. Your interpretation of the Last Supper is that we just eat/drink regular bread/wine in remembrance of Him and it is not His body/blood like he said it was. Your interpretation of Scripture does not connect John 6 and the Last Supper! I have read what you have written 2,00 years AFTER these events occurred and your interpretation of those events. A mere man who wasn't there 2,000 years ago.
But then I read what Paul, who was there, writes and it makes we wonder, Should I believe EG's writings or Paul's writings: The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? 27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.
I then read what a student of the Apostle John writes......Yes JOHN, THAT JOHN, the person you are trying to interpret 2,000 years later....And what that person writes, a person who actually TALKED to John, is not what YOU are writing. Soooooo I am having a tough time deciding who to believe. YOU or Ignatius of Antioch; I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I desire the Bread of God, WHICH IS THE FLESH OF JESUS CHRIST, who was of the seed of David; and for drink I DESIRE HIS BLOOD, which is love incorruptible. (Letter to the Romans 7:3)
Take care, then, to use one Eucharist, so that whatever you do, you do according to God: FOR THERE IS ONE FLESH OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, and one cup IN THE UNION OF HIS BLOOD; one ALTAR, as there is one bishop with the presbytery… (Letter to the Philadelphians 4:1)
They [i.e. the Gnostics] abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that THE EUCHARIST IS THE FLESH OF OUR SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in his goodness, raised up again. (Letter to Smyrnians 7:1)
Well that's weird....What Ignatius said matches up with what Paul said and what Paul said matches up with what Jesus said and since Ignatius is a student of John then that must mean that he is repeating what JOHN TOLD HIM.
What EG has said A THOUSAND times doesn't match up with what Jesus and Paul and John and Ignatius said. So YES, you are right EG. You can say something 1,000 times and it still doesn't make it true!!
I know, I know we can't trust the writings of someone who the Catholic Church says is a student of John. The CC killed everyone that disagreed with them therefore we don't know for sure blah blah blah yada yada yada......Please don't go there.
you deny the power of Jesus words. You deny everything that he said we must do to reach an eternity with God
You Think because you have a so called 2000 year evidence that you are right, and everyone else is wrong. Because no one taught it before. Yet even if people did teach it before we would never know. Because your churched would erased that content from history
Jesus said if we come to him, He will never let us go. He said if we look to him and believe in him, We will never die
You turn that into some ceremony that was done, Like the feast of unleavened bread (the actual Night when jesus instituted the last supper I might add) which was to help the Israelites remember when they were saved, Now given to the church, to help those of us who have been saved from God to remember that salvation and where it came from. Into some means we must do to be saved.
Your stuck
Your stuck because like the jews, who were stuck on the messiah coming not as the suffering servant. but as King messiah to free them from rome. So they were unable to see anything Jesus said, because like he said they did not believe
Your stuck, in relating the bread from heaven, the flesh and blood given on the cross. With which whoever ate that bread (believed in him) would never perish but will live forever. Onto a ceremony where we eat in remembrance of him, where he never promised anyone who ate it (nor did Paul when he spoke of it) that they would bnever perish but live forever if they ate it
You’re stuck where all religious people are, in thinking it is through your deeds that you in the end earn salvation. Through your baptism, Through your Eucharist. Through your penance and all the things you do and believe, which will in the end make you worthy of Gods love and salvation.
its not just catholics which do this.. Many denominations fall into this Lie of satan that if you just do these things, God will forgive you.. Just like religious people have done from the begining of time after the fall. The human self righteousness that think you will be saved by or through your works.
The jews used Abraham and Moses and their history to convince themselves they were right and the true followers of God were in error
The catholics use Peter and Christ, and their history to convince themselves they are right, and the true followers of God are wrong
The jews used circumcision, and all their works of the law and traditions to prove they kept the law. And when Christ came and told them all those works were meaningless. They spent three years trying to figure out how to kill him.
The jews us Baptism, the Eucharist and all of their works and traditions to prove they have kept and Guarded Gods word. And spent 1500 years murdering Gods people who rejected their legalism, and their history and their doctrines.
I am actually amazed as to how easy men fall for satans trap. We have the jewish histRoy to show what we should not do. And what would entrap us. yet 300 years after christ. We fell for the same trap. Used the same excuses, and made the exact same mistake the jews made (ony our traditions and names were different)
A man names saul gathered an army and would have killed me for what I believe. And did kill many christians, because they did not believe what paul believed, and were in essence protestors of God and his Church. Jesus Knocked him of his high horse and asked him why he was doing what he was doing
The roman church killed and murdered thousands because they did not believe what they believed. and considered them worthy of death because they were protestors of God and the church.
Yet here we are 2000 years later. And while the power of rome has fell so they have no authority (in most of the world anyway) of murdering in the name of God, They still have not figured out what Saul and the 11, and so many other people did.
That our works are bloody rags, worthless. That we have all sinned and fall short of Gods glory. That through The shedding of innocent blood, we are clothed in Gods righteousness (see Adam and Eve) we were redeemed from our sin. That we are given eternal life because we HEARD THE WORDS that can save us, Ate them, chewed on them, and repented and came to Christ.
The Day of atonment tradition showed us the truth about Gods love and forgiveness.
Inside the mercy seat was all the charged God had Against Isreal. The ten commands, which they did not keep and proved their guilt before God in failing to keep his standard. Arrons rod that budded, Which was proof of the rebellion of the children of Israel against God. And the golden pot of Manna which proved the guilt of Israel in lacking faith in his provisions.
On both sides of this was the cherub, who looked down on these things On the day of atonement, The blood was put on the top of the ark. So the cherub could not see the guilt of the people. All they could see was the blood of the innocent that died to atone for the sins of the people.
This is a picture of the cross. This is what Jesus wants you to gnaw and chew on. The blood he spilt to pour over our souls and cover our sins, so when God looks at us, he does not see the things we are guilty of. He sees the blood of his sone, which covers or atones us of those sins, because jesus paid that debt in full.
Thats salvation. Thats the one work in all creation that could save us, and the only work. Jesus died once for all time.
But he will not force you to believe, He will allow you to hide from the light because you love your sin, he will allow you to be like the jew, and try to replace his work with your works. He will allow you to do whatever he will.
But he will NOT allow you to see heaven apart from being born again, Jesus said we MUST be born again, He did not give us an option. And he told us how.. Look up to the cross. And believe (have faith)
that it.
I am sure you will not read all of this. I am sure you will get mad and call me anticatholic or whatever excuse you have to not listen to what jesus said.
But when you stand before Christ on Judgment day. You will have no excuse.
My prayer is you come out fro under her and see Gods truth.. This is not a win or lose fight, there are no winners..
but I have found the peace of God which surpasses all understanding, i can just pray you will too
