John Calvin and Calvinism.

[Lifelong_sinner]

Here is another example from John Calvin, where in the same Book III of the Institutes, he contradicts himself. Please note his words carefully, since he chose his words carefully:

BIBLE TRUTH: SALVATION OF THE HUMAN RACE
We must now see in what way we become possessed of the blessings which God has bestowed on his only-begotten Son, not for private use, but to enrich the poor and needy. And the first thing to be attended to is, that so long as we are without Christ and separated from him, nothing which he suffered and did for the salvation of the human race is of the least benefit to us. Institutes III. 1.1.

CALVINISTIC ERROR: SALVATION OF THE FOREORDAINED
...and yet the difficulty is easily solved: for though none are enlightened into faith, and truly feel the efficacy of the Gospel, with the exception of those who are fore-ordained to salvation, yet experience shows that the reprobate are sometimes affected in a way so similar to the elect, that even in their own judgment there is no difference between them. Institutes III. 2. 11.

Was Calvin blind to his own contradictions?

apparently im blind as well because i dont see a contradiction in either.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Given the amount of horrendous theology i see on this forum, and since the admins seem to have taken a hands off approach to running this place, i’ve taken it upon myself to create this thread for all topics concerning not only the doctrine of Calvinism, but anything John Calvin related.

All questions concerning anything about john calvin please post here.

Can non-Calvinists, those who do not believe in TULIP, be saved?

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Can non-Calvinists, those who do not believe in TULIP, be saved?

yes, absolutely.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

yes, absolutely.

Then Calvinism is not necessary, essential or part of God's plan of salvation.

Can one be saved apart from the gospel? no

Then Calvinism is NOT the gospel.

 

[Enoch111]

apparently im blind as well because i dont see a contradiction in either.

Seems that way since the contradiction was as plain as day. Calvinism does blind people to the truth.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Then Calvinism is not necessary, essential or part of God's plan of salvation.

Can one be saved apart from the gospel? no

Then Calvinism is NOT the gospel.

calvinism is merely a term used to explain the protestant faith, the same faith that Jesus and the apostles taught. Calvin merely took the 27 books of the NT and packaged them neatly into 5 points or 5 basic truths.

 

[Enoch111]

calvinism is merely a term used to explain the protestant faith, the same faith that Jesus and the apostles taught.

This remark shows that either (a) you do not really know what Jesus and the apostles taught or (b) you do not really know what the Calvinists teach. The Five Points of Calvinism are TOTALLY REFUTED by Christ and the apostles. So how would the Lord Jesus Christ mark those points? Here's how.

TOTAL DEPRAVITY X FALSE
UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION X FALSE
LIMITED ATONEMENT X FALSE
IRRESISTIBLE GRACE X FALSE
PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS X FALSE

Paul would call this "another gospel".

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

This remark shows that either (a) you do not really know what Jesus and the apostles taught or (b) you do not really know what the Calvinists teach. The Five Points of Calvinism are TOTALLY REFUTED by Christ and the apostles. So how would the Lord Jesus Christ mark those points? Here's how.

TOTAL DEPRAVITY X FALSE
UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION X FALSE
LIMITED ATONEMENT X FALSE
IRRESISTIBLE GRACE X FALSE
PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS X FALSE

Paul would call this "another gospel".

not true. Every single aspect of calvinism is true, Biblical, and taken directly from either the apostles or Jesus Himself. Again, calvin didnt create a new doctrine, he merely corrected the church after the catholic church had completely abandoned the faith. Calvinism is 100% Biblical.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

calvinism is merely a term used to explain the protestant faith, the same faith that Jesus and the apostles taught. Calvin merely took the 27 books of the NT and packaged them neatly into 5 points or 5 basic truths.

....but if a person can be saved apart from Calvinism's tenets, as you already said one could post 63, then Calvinism cannot be the gospel for the gospel is what saves, Romans 1:16. Can one be doctrinally wrong, yet still saved? No, 2 John 1:9-10

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

....but if a person can be saved apart from Calvinism's tenets, as you already said one could post 63, then Calvinism cannot be the gospel for the gospel is what saves, Romans 1:16. Can one be doctrinally wrong, yet still saved? No, 2 John 1:9-10

doctrines dont save people. So you think that if you’re a methodist, then only methodists can be saved?? Thats not true.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

doctrines dont save people. So you think that if you’re a methodist, then only methodists can be saved?? Thats not true.

salvation is not possible apart from Christ's doctrine/teaching/gospel.

When Paul penned his Ephesian epistle, to bring unity to that congregation he speaks of seven ones that make up the foundation of Christianity. Of those ones Paul said there is ONE faith and ONE body/church (body is the church Ephesians 5:23; Colossians 1:18). Christ did not establish many contradicting faithS or many churchES, just one and that one is the only one Christ recognizes as His own. Therefore the idea of denominationalism came from men, not God. 2 Corinthians 11:2. Christ is the one husband of one bride, the church. Christ is not a spiritual polygamist, spiritual adulterer with many brides/churches. The man made idea that all the religious groups can contradict each other and yet all be right does not make for good nonsense. No wonder Christ's doctrine does not matter to denominationalists for it stands in the way of all the various groups. Judgement day will be where that one body that possessed that one faith will be eternally separated from those that thought they were of that one body and felt they possessed that one faith, no matter how sincere they were in what they believed.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

salvation is not possible apart from Christ's doctrine/teaching/gospel.

When Paul penned his Ephesian epistle, to bring unity to that congregation he speaks of seven ones that make up the foundation of Christianity. Of those ones Paul said there is ONE faith and ONE body/church (body is the church Ephesians 5:23; Colossians 1:18). Christ did not establish many contradicting faithS or many churchES, just one and that one is the only one Christ's recognizes as His own. Therefore the idea of denominationalism came from men, not God. 2 Corinthians 11:2. Christ is the one husband of one bride, the church. Christ is not a spiritual polygamist, spiritual adulterer with many brides/churches. The man made idea that all the religious groups can contradict each other and yet all be right does not make for good nonsense. No wonder Christ's doctrine does not matter to denominationalists for it stands in the way of all the various groups. Judgement day will be where that one body that possessed that one faith will be eternally separated from those that thought they were of that one body and one faith, no matter how sincere they were in what they believed.

so which belief/doctrine is the correct one??

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

so which belief/doctrine is the correct one??

The one system of faith as taught in the Bible is the only correct one. People will never agree over what the one faith teaches so each person must decide what he will believe and then have to answer for it on judgment day.

God's word is truth and truth never contradicts itself. John 17:17. Two people contradict each other, impossible for both to be right. Both can be wrong but not possible both can be right. Truth does not allow for all the contradictions denominationalism allows for. Anyone ever ask you what faith are you? Completely unbiblical question for the question implies that are many faiths when there is but one. So a person either correctly understands and possesses that one faith or they don't even though they may sincerely think they possess it. There is truth in math that 2 plus 2 = 4. Can all these groups disagree over this and all still be right? No, yet the absurdity of denominationalism says they can all be right while all contradicting each other.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

The one system of faith as taught in the Bible is the only correct one. People will never agree over what the one faith teaches so each person must decide what he will believe and then have to answer for it on judgment day.

God's word is truth and truth never contradicts itself. John 17:17. Two people contradict each other, impossible for both to be right. Both can be wrong but not possible both can be right. Truth does not allow for all the contradictions denominationalism allows for. Anyone ever ask you what faith are you? Completely unbiblical question for the question implies that are many faiths when there is but one. So a person either correctly understands and possesses that one faith or they don't even though they may sincerely think they possess it. There is truth in math that 2 plus 2 = 4. Can all these groups disagree over this and all still be right? No, yet the absurdity of denominationalism says they can all be right while all contradicting each other.

again, so which denomination is most correct in your opinion??

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Anddddddd *crickets*

 

[Wrangler]

this thread for all topics concerning not only the doctrine of Calvinism

I don't know much about Calvinism, but like JW, there seems to be a lot of criticism on these boards about it. Could you give a summary of Calvinism? (I take it you are a practicing Calvinist).

 

[Wrangler]

Stop thinking you are a good person.

It's not surprising the the world today is pushing an ideology contrary to God's word with everyone getting a trophy, learning 'different' and great and special in 'different' ways.

Even constructive criticism is denounced as hate speech, even in secular matters, like ones batting stance.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

again, so which denomination is most correct in your opinion??

No denomination is correct. The one church (Ephesians 4:4-5) Christ established (Matthew 16:18) is the only church Christ founded, is the Head of and will come back for some day.

 

[Renniks]

But submission is where it can begin. To submit requires humility, humbleness. God resists a proud heart.

Um... you don't see the contradiction in telling people to submit to God after telling them they can't?

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

No denomination is correct. The one church (Ephesians 4:4-5) Christ established (Matthew 16:18) is the only church Christ founded, is the Head of and will come back for some day.

so you dont go to any church on Sundays? You arent a member of a church??