Preacher4Truth
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Every time your false religion is exposed with facts you call it a sham. Nope, Mormonism is the sham, its own official teachings expose it as a fraud, with a false gospel, false God, and false Christ.
LDS Melchizedek Priesthood
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Do you think calling anyone "deluded cult" bring yourself or anyone else closer to Christ?
Correct. The true biblical teaching on the Melchizedek priesthood is that it is a HEAVENLY priesthood, and only the Lord Jesus Christ is the Great High Priest after the order of Melchizedek. And He is presently in the HEAVENLY Sanctuary. Indeed, it is more than likely that Melchizedek was none other than a theophany or Christophany of Christ Himself.
The king-priest Melchizedek is a mysterious figure in the book of Genesis, where he met Abraham (Abram at the time), offered him bread and wine, and in turn received tithes from Abraham, after the slaughter of the Gentile kings connected with the abduction of Lot (Genesis 14). And then SIMPLY DISAPPEARED.
18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. 19 And he blessed him [Abram], and said, Blessed be Abram of the Most High God, possessor of heaven and earth: 20 And blessed be the Most High God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he [Abram] gave him [Melchizedek] tithes of all.
Since kings were not normally priests, nor priests kings, we see here a type of Christ, who is BOTH King of kings and High Priest in Heaven. Therefore the Holy Spirit teaches us the origin and significance of Melchizedek in the epistle to the Hebrews.
HEBREWS 6 & 7
19 Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil [the Heavenly Sanctuary];
20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an High Priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec [Melchizedek transliterated from Greek]
1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. [Note: Melchizedek is eternal]
4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. [Note: Melchizedek is eternal]
9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. [Note: Melchizedek is under the New Covenant]
13 For He of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. [Note: Melchizedek is eternal]
17 For He [God the Father] testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. [Note: Melchizedek is eternal]
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the Law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
20 And inasmuch as not without an oath He was made priest:
21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by Him [God the Father] that said unto him [God the Son], The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec)
22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better Testament [Covenant]. [Note: a better Testament = the New Covenant]
23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
24 But this Man, because He continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. [Note: Melchizedek is eternal]
25 Wherefore He is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them. [Note: the eternal security of the believer]
26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for His own sins, and then for the people's: for this He did once, when He offered up Himself. [Note: Christ the High Priest was also the Lamb of God]
28 For the Law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the Law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. [Note: Melchizedek is eternal]
So much hate & ego on this forum lately. And so little interest in getting to truth or loving someone other than one's self.
Stan B
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Yup! My God tells me to "learn what is pleasing to the Lord, and do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them; Ephesians 5:10-11
Preacher4Truth
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He didn't call "anyone" a cult, he called your false religion a cult.
Actually, yes, calling out false gospels brings people closer to Christ, or more accurately it's Biblical and edifying: Galatians 1:8-10; Luke 11:37-54.
Jesus nails false teachers traits here, as they attempt to appear as sheep, kind, nice, but it's just a cover; Matthew 7:15.
Paul also noted this same tactic in 2 Corinthians 11:13-15.
There are many more Scriptures where false teachers are called out. By name. Please refrain from playing the political correct nonsense and trying to make obeying Scripture ugly. In doing so you're going against God and his word. An interestind side note is the false prophet Joseph Smith attacked true Christians with his fabricated religion of lies. "*tsk* *tsk* that sure doesn't bring anyone closer to his false Christ."
Do you realize that such name calling convinces others that you are darkness and that they should run from you?
And that they shall judge you by the same judgement?
Stan B
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We have a choice between following God or following Satan.
There were no misrepresentations. You can open Doctrines & Covenants Section 107 for yourself. Then go to the Bible. Why is it that when false teachings are exposed from their actual sources, that is called *misrepresentation*?
Preacher4Truth
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There you go, name calling, avoiding facts because your false religion is being exposed.
Seems a double standard since you feebly attacked the Reformed on here and their biblical teachings. It failed, was untrue, but you did it nonetheless. If we do it factually, you dodge, don't own up, and, well, sling mud at persons. We document your errors from your own cults official teachings, and you deny them.
That's called a false teacher with faux wool.
Stan B
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For example, no where in the bible says that there's only one priest of the Order of Melchizedek. Such a claim, while some may believe it, it’s not point blank said in the Bible.
LDS Christians believe that the Aaronic and the Melchizedek Priesthoods are two different priesthoods, representing the Old and New Covenants. Two things, need to be discusses separately. When people mix them up, it’s conveying an inaccurate picture rather than what’s actually believed. While I know you did not intend to do such, your commentary on Section 107 is one such example.
And then there’s the naming calling and flat out attacking folks.
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Stan B
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How could Melchizedek possibly be
Aaronic, when He has no mother, father or genealogy??!!
Stan B
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Well, yeah. My Bible reveals to me that Mormonism is a deluded cult.
The phrase "no mother, father or genealogy" doesn't mean literally had no father or mother, etc.
Rather, having your loyalty being towards God, rather than an earthly parent. One who's left their father/mother/genealogy to follow Him.
Do you realize that such name calling (which that phrase is) only convinces folks that you're not interested in Christ or them?
For example, this actual "Mormon" is very thoroughly studied on many faiths, including various Evangelical schools of thoughts. I love study and I love Christ. My individual choice of faith is the result of intense scripture study and prayer. You just assuming that I'm a "deluded culitist" is very inaccurate and offensive. The base reflex is actually to assume that bad things about you, rather than think "i should follow him".
Preacher4Truth
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Wait a minute. You called others names. He called your cult a cult not you a name. By your own reasoning that means you are in darkness. But even before that your worship of a false created Christ already proves this.
Preacher4Truth
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You talk of getting to the truth while you deny your cults official teachings? Hmm, the irony.
Then you call people names (arrogant, and now hateful and egotistical?) when they factually present these facts?
Love isn't embracing a false gospel and those who preach it, which is what you're intending, proving all your above is really only about you and your false gospel being accepted. If not accepted you go into name calling and shaming. Sounds like the same tactic of a certain community in our contemporaneous culture. Very interesting...accept me or you're unloving, hateful, arrogant...hmmm.
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According to the letter to Hebrews, a Melchizedek high priest must be
childless. That alone disqualifies most Mormon men because they're typically
married with children.
In addition: Melchizedek high priests have to be human, but at the same
time they cannot be someone who came into existence by birth. In other
words: Melchizedek high priests always were, they always are, and they
always will be, i.e. they have no genealogy to trace.
This is problematic because the current Melchizedek high priest is Jesus
Christ; a Jewish man who can be easily proven not only human, but also
easily proven that he came into existence by birth, and also has a genealogy
that can be traced.
Were Jesus Christ only human, he would not qualify for Melchizedek high
priesthood. But we know from John 1:1-14 and Hebrews 3:3-4 that Jesus
Christ is also divine. This may seem like a trivial issue but according to the
New Testament's letter to Hebrews; in order for someone to be an effective
mediator between God and Man, he has to be both human and divine.
I seriously doubt that there's even one sensible Mormon man anywhere on
Earth who would dare lay claim to being both human and divine. Those are
some really big shoes to fill.
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According to the letter to Hebrews, a Melchizedek high priest must be
childless. That alone disqualifies most Mormon men because they're typically
married with children.
In addition: Melchizedek high priests have to be human, but at the same
time they cannot be someone who came into existence by birth. In other
words: Melchizedek high priests always were, they always are, and they
always will be, i.e. they have no genealogy to trace.
This is problematic because the current Melchizedek high priest is Jesus
Christ; a Jewish man who can be easily proven not only human, but also
easily proven that he came into existence by birth, and also has a genealogy
that can be traced.
Were Jesus Christ only human, he would not qualify for Melchizedek high
priesthood. But we know from John 1:1-14 and Hebrews 3:3-4 that Jesus
Christ is also divine. This may seem like a trivial issue but according to the
New Testament's letter to Hebrews; in order for someone to be an effective
mediator between God and Man, he has to be both human and divine.
I seriously doubt that there's even one sensible Mormon man anywhere on
Earth who would dare lay claim to being both human and divine. Those are
some really big shoes to fill.
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