Learning about Orthodoxy

[Brakelite]

When SDA says that saturday sabbath is a must for salvation, they make a judgment against Christ.

This^^^^^, is why I said quote, Fascinating that you guys are quite happy to bear false witness...

 

[David in NJ]

This^^^^^, is why I said quote, Fascinating that you guys are quite happy to bear false witness...

How so?

 

[Brakelite]

How so?

When SDA says that saturday sabbath is a must for salvation,

 

[David in NJ]

Ellen G White says: saturday sabbath is what separates the true saints from the apostates who worship on sunday

 

[Brakelite]

Ellen G White says: saturday sabbath is what separates the true saints from the apostates who worship on sunday

Does she,? Interesting. Would that have been for the time she wrote in, or write of in the future?

 

[David in NJ]

Does she,? Interesting. Would that have been for the time she wrote in, or write of in the future?

Why would anyone who is in Christ, want to sit under religion?

old wine skins

 

[Brakelite]

Why would anyone who is in Christ, want to sit under religion?

old wine skins

Your aren't answering the question. Did Ellen White ever state that people who honoured Sunday and worshipped on that day, were apostates? Incidentally, many SDAs worship on Sunday. They may not go to church, but they do worship. They worship also on Monday and Thursday and Tuesday. There's nothing wrong, and everything good about worshipping on Sunday. That isn't the issue.
The issue the Adventist church is justifiably concerned about is the prophetic mandate of Sunday legislation, the mark of the beast, which will soon be implemented by first the ÚS government resulting in the persecution of Sabbath keepers. The vast majority of Christians will agree with such a move, believing that legislating righteousness is a step forward in the battle against the widespread anti Christian secularism of society.
The consequences for those who accept this...a church sponsored-civil commandment directly opposing a commandment of God at a time when God is preparing His people for translation at His coming, is laid out in clear unambiguous language in Revelation 14. This situation is yet future. It will not happen without widespread debate and agitation and revelation from all sides. Everyone will become acutely aware of all the arguments and various nuances of such a radical move by the church.
And informed Christians cannot pretend any longer that such a situation is unlikely, considering the high number of leading theologians, pastors, and Christian influencers currently lobbying for such a law.

 

[David in NJ]

Your aren't answering the question. Did Ellen White ever state that people who honoured Sunday and worshipped on that day, were apostates? Incidentally, many SDAs worship on Sunday. They may not go to church, but they do worship. They worship also on Monday and Thursday and Tuesday. There's nothing wrong, and everything good about worshipping on Sunday. That isn't the issue.
The issue the Adventist church is justifiably concerned about is the prophetic mandate of Sunday legislation, the mark of the beast, which will soon be implemented by first the ÚS government resulting in the persecution of Sabbath keepers. The vast majority of Christians will agree with such a move, believing that legislating righteousness is a step forward in the battle against the widespread anti Christian secularism of society.
The consequences for those who accept this...a church sponsored-civil commandment directly opposing a commandment of God at a time when God is preparing His people for translation at His coming, is laid out in clear unambiguous language in Revelation 14. This situation is yet future. It will not happen without widespread debate and agitation and revelation from all sides. Everyone will become acutely aware of all the arguments and various nuances of such a radical move by the church.
And informed Christians cannot pretend any longer that such a situation is unlikely, considering the high number of leading theologians, pastors, and Christian influencers currently lobbying for such a law.

During the Christian dispensation the great enemy of man’s happiness has made the Sabbath of the fourth commandment an object of special attack. Satan says, “I will work at cross purposes with God. I will empower my followers to set aside God’s memorial, the seventh-day Sabbath. Thus I will show the world that the day sanctified and blessed by God has been changed. That day shall not live in the minds of the people. I will obliterate the memory of it. I will place in its stead a day that does not bear the credentials of God, a day that cannot be a sign between God and His people. I will lead those who accept this day to place upon it the sanctity that God placed upon the seventh day.”—Prophets and Kings, 183, 184 (c. 1914).

 

[David in NJ]

Your aren't answering the question. Did Ellen White ever state that people who honoured Sunday and worshipped on that day, were apostates? Incidentally, many SDAs worship on Sunday. They may not go to church, but they do worship. They worship also on Monday and Thursday and Tuesday. There's nothing wrong, and everything good about worshipping on Sunday. That isn't the issue.
The issue the Adventist church is justifiably concerned about is the prophetic mandate of Sunday legislation, the mark of the beast, which will soon be implemented by first the ÚS government resulting in the persecution of Sabbath keepers. The vast majority of Christians will agree with such a move, believing that legislating righteousness is a step forward in the battle against the widespread anti Christian secularism of society.
The consequences for those who accept this...a church sponsored-civil commandment directly opposing a commandment of God at a time when God is preparing His people for translation at His coming, is laid out in clear unambiguous language in Revelation 14. This situation is yet future. It will not happen without widespread debate and agitation and revelation from all sides. Everyone will become acutely aware of all the arguments and various nuances of such a radical move by the church.
And informed Christians cannot pretend any longer that such a situation is unlikely, considering the high number of leading theologians, pastors, and Christian influencers currently lobbying for such a law.

In the warfare to be waged in the last days there will be united, in opposition to God’s people, all the corrupt powers that have apostatized from allegiance to the law of Jehovah. In this warfare the Sabbath of the fourth commandment will be the great point at issue, for in the Sabbath commandment the great Lawgiver identifies Himself as the Creator of the heavens and the earth.—Selected Messages 3:392 (1891).

“Verily My Sabbaths ye shall keep,” the Lord says, “for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you” (Exodus 31:13). Some will seek to place obstacles in the way of Sabbath observance, saying, “You do not know what day is the Sabbath,” but they seem to understand when Sunday comes, and have manifested great zeal in making laws compelling its observance.—The Kress Collection, 148 (1900).

 

[David in NJ]

SDA has a major problem = Deuteronomy

1And Moses called all Israel, and said to them: “Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your hearing today, that you may learn them and be careful to observe them. 2The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive. 4The Lord talked with you face to face on the mountain from the midst of the fire. 5I stood between the Lord and you at that time, to declare to you the word of the Lord; for you were afraid because of the fire, and you did not go up the mountain. He said:

6‘I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
7‘You shall have no other gods before Me.
8‘You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 9you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 10but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
11‘You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

12‘Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you. 13Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. 15And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.

16‘Honor your father and your mother, as the Lord your God has commanded you, that your days may be long, and that it may be well with you in the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
17‘You shall not murder.
18‘You shall not commit adultery.
19‘You shall not steal.
20‘You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
21‘You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife; and you shall not desire your neighbor’s house, his field, his male servant, his female servant, his ox, his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s.’
22“These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

 

[David in NJ]

Your aren't answering the question. Did Ellen White ever state that people who honoured Sunday and worshipped on that day, were apostates? Incidentally, many SDAs worship on Sunday. They may not go to church, but they do worship. They worship also on Monday and Thursday and Tuesday. There's nothing wrong, and everything good about worshipping on Sunday. That isn't the issue.
The issue the Adventist church is justifiably concerned about is the prophetic mandate of Sunday legislation, the mark of the beast, which will soon be implemented by first the ÚS government resulting in the persecution of Sabbath keepers. The vast majority of Christians will agree with such a move, believing that legislating righteousness is a step forward in the battle against the widespread anti Christian secularism of society.
The consequences for those who accept this...a church sponsored-civil commandment directly opposing a commandment of God at a time when God is preparing His people for translation at His coming, is laid out in clear unambiguous language in Revelation 14. This situation is yet future. It will not happen without widespread debate and agitation and revelation from all sides. Everyone will become acutely aware of all the arguments and various nuances of such a radical move by the church.
And informed Christians cannot pretend any longer that such a situation is unlikely, considering the high number of leading theologians, pastors, and Christian influencers currently lobbying for such a law.

From the first Mrs. White taught that the Pope changed to Sabbath, that Sunday-keeping is "the mark of the beast," and that before the end Seventh-day Adventists were to suffer great persecution because they would not cease working on Sunday. A decree was finally to go forth to slay them and rid the earth of them (Early Writings, pp. 29, 47, 55, 143, 145, ed. 1882).

After a time, on account of their aggressive ways and their strong denunciations of those who observe Sunday, a few Seventh-day Adventists were imprisoned for short periods here and there for working on Sunday, and finally two of their publishing houses, one in London and one in Basil, Switzerland, were closed out for disregarding Sunday laws and laws regulating the hours of female labor.

This set Mrs. White to thinking, and she finally had a revelation directing her people, the world over, to refrain from work on Sunday wherever the law requires it and prosecutions were threatened. They have all readily obeyed. But, following this instruction, how, then, can they ever be persecuted for Sunday work?

In Australia there was a law requiring them to close their publishing house in Melbourne on Sunday. For three Sundays, after having had notice, they did not obey. Then they were threatened with arrest. What now? Did they brave the law and take the penalty as they had always said they would? Mrs. White, their divine oracle, fortunately was right there. Did she counsel martyrdom? Oh, no! She immediately produced a revelation directing them to obey the law, close the plant on Sunday, and devote the day to the Lord in religious work just as Sunday-keepers do.

Here are her instructions in "Testimonies for the Church," Vol. IX., No. 37, published in 1909. It is a square backdown from all she had published before. It avoids all possibility of persecution for Sunday work. She says: "The light given me by the Lord at a time when we were expecting just such a crisis as you seem to be approaching was that when the people were moved by a power from beneath to enforce Sunday observance, Seventh-day Adventists were to show their wisdom by refraining from their ordinary work on that day, devoting it to missionary effort" (p. 232). "Give them no occasion to call you lawbreakers." "It will be very easy to avoid that difficulty. Give Sunday to the Lord as the day for doing missionary work."

Further on she says: "At one time those in charge of our school at Avondale [Australia] inquired of me, saying, 'What shall we do? The officers of the law have been commissioned to arrest those working on Sunday.' I replied, 'It will be very easy to avoid that difficulty. Give Sunday to the Lord as a day for doing missionary work. Take students out to hold meetings in different places, and to do medical missionary work. They will find the people at home, and will have a splendid opportunity to present the truth. This way of spending Sunday is always acceptable to the Lord'" (p. 238).

It will be readily seen that Mrs. White now directs her people to keep Sunday exactly as all conscientious Sunday observers do; that is, in holding religious meetings and doing religious work! They are to "refrain from their ordinary work on that day"; they are to "give Sunday to the Lord as a day for doing missionary work." And, to complete the somersault, they are told that "this way of spending Sunday is always acceptable to the Lord." A prospect of arrest suddenly converted Mrs. White to a zealous religious observance of Sunday. "Give the day to the Lord." And then especially notice: "This way of spending Sunday is always acceptable to the Lord." Good and true. Now, if it is acceptable to the Lord from Adventists, it must be acceptable to the Lord from Methodists, Baptists, Presbyterians, Congregationalists and others.

But the point is this: If Adventists follow this advice, how will they ever be persecuted for working on Sunday? What becomes of the prediction that an edict will be issued to kill them for violating a Sunday law? That is what Adventists have always taught before. But in 1909 they were directed to refrain from their ordinary work on Sunday, devote the day to religious exercises, and obey the law.

If the prospect of simply a fine will cause Adventists to obey the law and refrain from work on Sunday, would not the prospect of a death penalty quickly induce them to obey? Surely. It shows that their whole theory breaks down when put to a test.

Lastly, if Methodists, Baptists and other Christians have the mark of the beast because they "give Sunday to the Lord" in religious service, why will not Adventists also have it if they give the day to the Lord in the same way? Of course they will.

If Sunday-keeping is the awful thing Adventists say it is, then what Mrs. White here tells her people to do is positively sinful - a compromise with sin. It is as if Daniel had said to his three Hebrew companions: "When the people are moved by a power from beneath to compel you to bow down and worship images, give them no occasion to call you lawbreakers. That difficulty can be easily avoided. You are to show your wisdom by devoting the time to prayer. Bow down, but while bowed pray to the God of heaven. That kind of worship is always acceptable to God."

In giving the instruction she did, Mrs. White herself removed the ground for the persecution under Sunday laws which she had previously predicted.

 

[Brakelite]

From the first Mrs. White taught that the Pope changed to Sabbath, that Sunday-keeping is "the mark of the beast," and that before the end Seventh-day Adventists were to suffer great persecution because they would not cease working on Sunday. A decree was finally to go forth to slay them and rid the earth of them (Early Writings, pp. 29, 47, 55, 143, 145, ed. 1882).

After a time, on account of their aggressive ways and their strong denunciations of those who observe Sunday, a few Seventh-day Adventists were imprisoned for short periods here and there for working on Sunday, and finally two of their publishing houses, one in London and one in Basil, Switzerland, were closed out for disregarding Sunday laws and laws regulating the hours of female labor.

This set Mrs. White to thinking, and she finally had a revelation directing her people, the world over, to refrain from work on Sunday wherever the law requires it and prosecutions were threatened. They have all readily obeyed. But, following this instruction, how, then, can they ever be persecuted for Sunday work?

In Australia there was a law requiring them to close their publishing house in Melbourne on Sunday. For three Sundays, after having had notice, they did not obey. Then they were threatened with arrest. What now? Did they brave the law and take the penalty as they had always said they would? Mrs. White, their divine oracle, fortunately was right there. Did she counsel martyrdom? Oh, no! She immediately produced a revelation directing them to obey the law, close the plant on Sunday, and devote the day to the Lord in religious work just as Sunday-keepers do.

Here are her instructions in "Testimonies for the Church," Vol. IX., No. 37, published in 1909. It is a square backdown from all she had published before. It avoids all possibility of persecution for Sunday work. She says: "The light given me by the Lord at a time when we were expecting just such a crisis as you seem to be approaching was that when the people were moved by a power from beneath to enforce Sunday observance, Seventh-day Adventists were to show their wisdom by refraining from their ordinary work on that day, devoting it to missionary effort" (p. 232). "Give them no occasion to call you lawbreakers." "It will be very easy to avoid that difficulty. Give Sunday to the Lord as the day for doing missionary work."

Further on she says: "At one time those in charge of our school at Avondale [Australia] inquired of me, saying, 'What shall we do? The officers of the law have been commissioned to arrest those working on Sunday.' I replied, 'It will be very easy to avoid that difficulty. Give Sunday to the Lord as a day for doing missionary work. Take students out to hold meetings in different places, and to do medical missionary work. They will find the people at home, and will have a splendid opportunity to present the truth. This way of spending Sunday is always acceptable to the Lord'" (p. 238).

It will be readily seen that Mrs. White now directs her people to keep Sunday exactly as all conscientious Sunday observers do; that is, in holding religious meetings and doing religious work! They are to "refrain from their ordinary work on that day"; they are to "give Sunday to the Lord as a day for doing missionary work." And, to complete the somersault, they are told that "this way of spending Sunday is always acceptable to the Lord." A prospect of arrest suddenly converted Mrs. White to a zealous religious observance of Sunday. "Give the day to the Lord." And then especially notice: "This way of spending Sunday is always acceptable to the Lord." Good and true. Now, if it is acceptable to the Lord from Adventists, it must be acceptable to the Lord from Methodists, Baptists, Presbyterians, Congregationalists and others.

But the point is this: If Adventists follow this advice, how will they ever be persecuted for working on Sunday? What becomes of the prediction that an edict will be issued to kill them for violating a Sunday law? That is what Adventists have always taught before. But in 1909 they were directed to refrain from their ordinary work on Sunday, devote the day to religious exercises, and obey the law.

If the prospect of simply a fine will cause Adventists to obey the law and refrain from work on Sunday, would not the prospect of a death penalty quickly induce them to obey? Surely. It shows that their whole theory breaks down when put to a test.

Lastly, if Methodists, Baptists and other Christians have the mark of the beast because they "give Sunday to the Lord" in religious service, why will not Adventists also have it if they give the day to the Lord in the same way? Of course they will.

If Sunday-keeping is the awful thing Adventists say it is, then what Mrs. White here tells her people to do is positively sinful - a compromise with sin. It is as if Daniel had said to his three Hebrew companions: "When the people are moved by a power from beneath to compel you to bow down and worship images, give them no occasion to call you lawbreakers. That difficulty can be easily avoided. You are to show your wisdom by devoting the time to prayer. Bow down, but while bowed pray to the God of heaven. That kind of worship is always acceptable to God."

In giving the instruction she did, Mrs. White herself removed the ground for the persecution under Sunday laws which she had previously predicted.

I agree with everything EGW advised regarding Sunday. There is no point that we unnecessarily become martyrs because we insist on working on Sunday.
Let me make one thing clear. Working at our common labour earning money on Sunday is not a commandment, and we are not contravening the commandments if we abstain from such work. Sunday laws only become an issue when they superimpose themselves over and above the 4th commandment of keeping the Sabbath holy. Sunday isn't a holy day. It isn't sacred. Do what you like on that day. Even go to church if you want. Do missionary work. No problem. It's the 7th day Sabbath that is holy and sacred. And made such before any Jew existed. It is still holy and sacred. Sunday laws, such as closing businesses and forbidding paid work in factories etc etc on Sunday does impose civil restrictions for those of all religious persuasions, and it's done on religious grounds. Are you are attacking Adventists for wanting to obey God, and defending governments for wanting to restrict their liberties for doing so?
You will find this very recent discussion interesting...

 

[David in NJ]

I agree with everything EGW advised regarding Sunday. There is no point that we unnecessarily become martyrs because we insist on working on Sunday.
Let me make one thing clear. Working at our common labour earning money on Sunday is not a commandment, and we are not contravening the commandments if we abstain from such work. Sunday laws only become an issue when they superimpose themselves over and above the 4th commandment of keeping the Sabbath holy. Sunday isn't a holy day. It isn't sacred. Do what you like on that day. Even go to church if you want. Do missionary work. No problem. It's the 7th day Sabbath that is holy and sacred. And made such before any Jew existed. It is still holy and sacred. Sunday laws, such as closing businesses and forbidding paid work in factories etc etc on Sunday does impose civil restrictions for those of all religious persuasions, and it's done on religious grounds. Are you are attacking Adventists for wanting to obey God, and defending governments for wanting to restrict their liberties for doing so?
You will find this very recent discussion interesting...

12‘Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you. 13Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. 15And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.

This is a OT Commandment that has been Fulfilled by the LORD of the sabbath on our behalf, you, myself and everyone who trusts in CHRIST.

JESUS and the Apostles never commanded saturday observance under Moses.

We are commanded to keep the sabbath =which can only be kept in CHRIST = Hebrews chapter 4

saturday and sunday will not please God = only the REST in the LORD of the sabbath

 

[Brakelite]

JESUS and the Apostles never commanded saturday observance under Moses.

And yet the early church did anyway. Maybe they knew something you don't.

This is a OT Commandment that has been Fulfilled by the LORD of the sabbath on our behalf for you, myself an deveryone who trust sin CHRIST.

He fulfilled the whole law, which included the other 9. Doesn't mean we are free to have intimate relations with our secretary, or go off on folk who cut us off in traffic. Hebrews 4 certainly speaks of rest in Christ. Doesn't say it replaces obedience to Christ.

 

[David in NJ]

And yet the early church did anyway. Maybe they knew something you don't.

He fulfilled the whole law, which included the other 9. Doesn't mean we are free to have intimate relations with our secretary, or go off on folk who cut us off in traffic. Hebrews 4 certainly speaks of rest in Christ. Doesn't say it replaces obedience to Christ

You, Ellen White and all of SDA are unable to post a single scripture of JESUS and the Apostles commanding saturday observance as part of the NEW COVENANT.

Saturday observance is Fulfilled in CHRIST and HIM Alone = New Wine goes into New Wineskins = GOSPEL

 

[David in NJ]

And yet the early church did anyway. Maybe they knew something you don't.

He fulfilled the whole law, which included the other 9. Doesn't mean we are free to have intimate relations with our secretary, or go off on folk who cut us off in traffic. Hebrews 4 certainly speaks of rest in Christ. Doesn't say it replaces obedience to Christ.

i am with you 100% on the evil of the Vatican and sunday laws

 

[Brakelite]

You, Ellen White and all of SDA are unable to post a single scripture of JESUS and the Apostles commanding saturday observance as part of the NEW COVENANT.

Saturday observance is Fulfilled in CHRIST and HIM Alone = New Wine goes into New Wineskins = GOSPEL

Yes I can. Not that it ought to be so necessary.
First, context. Your issue clearly is with obedience. Specifically, obedience to the ten commandments. You question whether they apply to you or not. The Ten Commandments, called the covenant, were housed in the ark of the covenant, otherwise known in Revelation as "the ark of His testimony". After delivering the tables of stone (sapphire, cut from God's own throne) to Moses, and speaking them audibly to all Israel, they responded, "all that the Lord hath said, we will do".
The covenant of God's word on the tables, were followed up with the book of the covenant, which were a detailed instruction on how a civil nation under God ought to obey. They no longer knew how to love God with all the hearts, soul and mind. And it seems neither do you. You need a detailed explanation as to what love is. Yet Paul and Jesus both explained it fully, and Jesus Himself said that was God's intention to remain valid for all until heaven and earth pass. What you must do to defend your change to a law written in stone: a law now written on hearts: a law that would both lose one decimal point until heaven and earth cease to exist: a law Jesus said was to be obeyed as evidenced off your love for Him: and change which must therefore in some sense remove heaven and earth from the equation, because the Sabbath was instituted at creation. Because Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever, them the law which reflects His righteousness must also be the same.
Now it is true that you can rest any day of the week. You can also worship any day of the week. But whatever day you choose, you cannot make that day holy. Only God can make anything holy, and He made the 7th day holy, which day you deny.

To your statement that we cannot offer one commandment concerning the Sabbath in the NT, I answer, why should we? If God's commandments cannot be changed at least until after heaven and earth have passed away, them the onus is on you to produce as commandment that changed their law from the 7th day to the first. And that my friend you cannot do.

You, Ellen White and all of SDA are unable to post a single scripture of JESUS and the Apostles commanding saturday observance as part of the NEW COVENANT.

And nor can you post a single scripture as evidence that Jesus is your Sabbath rest and the Sabbath day cancelled as you claim. They onus is on you to prove God has changed His law. Not on us to prove they law is still valid. That is a given without any evidence to the contrary.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes I can. Not that it ought to be so necessary.
First, context. Your issue clearly is with obedience. Specifically, obedience to the ten commandments. You question whether they apply to you or not. The Ten Commandments, called the covenant, were housed in the ark of the covenant, otherwise known in Revelation as "the ark of His testimony". After delivering the tables of stone (sapphire, cut from God's own throne) to Moses, and speaking them audibly to all Israel, they responded, "all that the Lord hath said, we will do".
The covenant of God's word on the tables, were followed up with the book of the covenant, which were a detailed instruction on how a civil nation under God ought to obey. They no longer knew how to love God with all the hearts, soul and mind. And it seems neither do you. You need a detailed explanation as to what love is. Yet Paul and Jesus both explained it fully, and Jesus Himself said that was God's intention to remain valid for all until heaven and earth pass. What you must do to defend your change to a law written in stone: a law now written on hearts: a law that would both lose one decimal point until heaven and earth cease to exist: a law Jesus said was to be obeyed as evidenced off your love for Him: and change which must therefore in some sense remove heaven and earth from the equation, because the Sabbath was instituted at creation. Because Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever, them the law which reflects His righteousness must also be the same.
Now it is true that you can rest any day of the week. You can also worship any day of the week. But whatever day you choose, you cannot make that day holy. Only God can make anything holy, and He made the 7th day holy, which day you deny.

To your statement that we cannot offer one commandment concerning the Sabbath in the NT, I answer, why should we? If God's commandments cannot be changed at least until after heaven and earth have passed away, them the onus is on you to produce as commandment that changed their law from the 7th day to the first. And that my friend you cannot do.

And nor can you post a single scripture as evidence that Jesus is your Sabbath rest and the Sabbath day cancelled as you claim. They onus is on you to prove God has changed His law. Not on us to prove they law is still valid. That is a given without any evidence to the contrary.

Your issue clearly is with obedience. Specifically, obedience to the ten commandments.

#1 - God gave the 10 Commandments to Moses/Israel = they all died in the wilderness

#2- No one has ever been able to Fulfill the 10 commandments except for One Person = the LORD Jesus Christ

#3 - We are SAVED by the Blood of Christ

#4 - The Holy Spirit is our Helper and Guide in obeying God whereby we live in Christ who is the BEARER of the 10 Commandments

#5 - You are not able to please God thru saturday observance

#6 - Neither the LORD nor the Apostles ever commanded saturday observance as a "must do"

#7 - The 7th Day is CHRIST = HE is to be HOLY to you ABOVE all things as HE is the LORD of the sabbath
Nothing has been made to be more holy then CHRIST

HE is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers.
All things were created through Him and for Him.
And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

Say it 7 times = in all things the Lord Jesus Christ may have the preeminence.

Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath.

 

[amigo de christo]

#1 - God gave the 10 Commandments to Moses/Israel = they all died in the wilderness

#2- No one has ever been able to Fulfill the 10 commandments except for One Person = the LORD Jesus Christ

#3 - We are SAVED by the Blood of Christ

#4 - The Holy Spirit is our Helper and Guide in obeying God whereby we live in Christ who is the BEARER of the 10 Commandments

#5 - You are not able to please God thru saturday observance

#6 - Neither the LORD nor the Apostles ever commanded saturday observance as a "must do"

#7 - The 7th Day is CHRIST = HE is to be HOLY to you ABOVE all things as HE is the LORD of the sabbath
Nothing has been made to be more holy then CHRIST

HE is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers.
All things were created through Him and for Him.
And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

Say it 7 times = in all things the Lord Jesus Christ may have the preeminence.

Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath.

Even the SDA blantely contradicts ITS OWN sabbath keeping .
THEY make excuse for why its okay to work on it , seeing some of they do work on it
AND YET CONDEMN all others who are not of them . I personally have well known a few sda memembers
and THEY not only CONTRADICTED thier own version of what they see as the sabbath
THEY TOTALLY TROD UNDER FOOT THE TRUE SABBATH REST OF JESUS THE CHRIST WHO IS OUR REST .
Guess they seem not to understand that the sabbath was made for man
NOT MAN for the sabbath . IT WAS SO AS MAN COULD REST .
REST from his works .
ANY GUESSES on WHO WOULD LEAD US INTO THE TRUE SABBATH REST
by which a man could find THE TRUE REST FOR HIS SOUL . ITS JESUS . ITS ALL ABOUT JESUS .
These people are blind david . BLIND to the lies of ellen and others .

 

[David in NJ]

And yet the early church did anyway. Maybe they knew something you don't.

He fulfilled the whole law, which included the other 9. Doesn't mean we are free to have intimate relations with our secretary, or go off on folk who cut us off in traffic. Hebrews 4 certainly speaks of rest in Christ. Doesn't say it replaces obedience to Christ.

i just noticed a grammatical error on my post #216

It has been corrected = please review