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Really sis you are giving your opinions which are not factual history.
I think the study of Church history is a great way to avoid deception. A lot of the arguments against Eastern Orthodoxy Im reading here seem dependent on not knowing Church history or even what Orthodoxy is.
 
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From the above site, I read,

"The Orthodox Church has several safeguards in place to prevent any hermeneutical chaos from distorting or mutating the Christian Faith: the bishops, the Church Fathers, the Liturgy, the Ecumenical Councils, and the Nicene Creed. Thus, the Orthodox matrix paradigm provides a stable framework because the various components of Tradition reinforce and regulate each other."

These checks and balances are something Protestants don't have because of Sola Scriptura. There is no basis to refute a bad interpretation of Scripture without a system of authority with which to do so.

I attended a Divine Liturgy--- the congregation was literally singing Scripture.

Those who love Scripture shouldn't speak of Divine Liturgy as if it's an empty tradition of man or Pharisaical. Many people in the early centuries of Christianity wouldn't be able to read a Bible even if they had one. They would have learned Scripture by mouth through oral Tradition.

I've been to so many different types of churches and never heard Scripture featured as heavily during worship.
 
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it is the Orthodox Church that still holds the teaching of the doctrine of holiness

As they add in traditions of men that make God's Word of no effect.

So their claim to be "Orthodox" is subjective and based on their own claims

And the whole icon thing is idolatry
 

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TOP 10 Eastern Orthodox Heresies

1) They deny the Holy Trinity - Theosis adds to the Trinity.

Theosis denies the Trinity, they have a different God. Theosis involves becoming united with God himself, not in a metaphor, but in reality, and their theological excuses that it is unity with God in energia (not in ousia) does not negate the blasphemy.

You will see later that I say Orthodox Theology is far more movable and indistinct in doctrine than Catholicism, and this topic is becoming such a total embarrassment to Orthodoxy they are starting to "manoeuvre" the concept of Theosis away from unity with God himself. Once we get them swapping and changing like that their whole house of cards will eventually fall over.

Theosis heresy 2 -the other evil doctrine regarding Theosis is in effect making sanctification and spiritual growth into part of a process that contributes to actual salvation. (see later in the list of salvation errors) and is therefore also turning a fruit of salvation into a root of salvation, this time this time not so much works, rather Christian maturity and sanctification.


2) A false gospel by which we are saved.

- that adds works, and acts of priestcraft, and is a quote "process of salvation" or synergy - but in reality is far more complex than just that, including works of Mary, dead saints, passing tests in Aerial Toll houses etc. (later in this list I give dozens of examples of these heresies of salvation by works and priestcraft).


3) A fake bible & A fake canon of scripture. The Eastern Orthodox bible is heretical as it translates the Old testament from the Greek LXX, which in effect calls Matthew 4:4 a lie, as the Hebrew OT has been perfectly preserved and they deny that by absurdly translating out of the corrupted Greek. By choosing these OT corrupted ms to translate and use, they have also added heretical books to the OT canon, such as the clearly bogus book "Bel and the Dragon". Thus they also have a fake canon of scripture.as well as a fake text of scripture. Can you imagine how stupid it is to translate the Old Testament from Greek? Absurd!

(Another more modern heresy is that some Orthodox websites in order to be "more trendy and modern" have started to use and quote the corrupt Alexandrian modern bibles such as the NIV.)


4) Apostolic Succession 1 - (hand-me-down power)

- the heresy of hand me-down-power and the faking of historical "proof" to so called prove it. It has a massive influence in the damnation of Orthodox souls who buy the lie. It should be dealt with far more by Protestants and Evangelicals. There is another heresy involved with it (dealt with later) which is that salvation can only be acquired by these hand-me-down powers that don't even exist in the first place.


5) That Orthodoxy is a church .

6) That the Orthodox Church is Infallible .

7) The Titular Head - the Orthodox Pope .


8) They deny literal Everlasting Hell fire . The belief in Everlasting Hell is tied into the very definition of the "gospel by which we are saved" (1 Cor 15: 1-4) and is thus fundamental to the Faith. Saved from what? Saved from eternal Hell fire, and saved from the wrath of God against sin. The Orthodox deny God has any wrath, and say "Hell" is God loving you. Preposterous. They cannot even get Heaven and Hell right. They are doctrinal dunces and dwarfs masquerading as spiritual giants, and know nothing about anything. Ther priest, bishops and Titular Hea of the church will all go into the same Hell fir they deny exists.


9) Murder and violence. They believe in killing in wars. Yet pretend to be pacifist .
They believe in killing in wars. Yet pretend to be pacifist .

if the Orthodox are pacifist, why do they give communion to the hundreds of thousands of soldiers in their churches? In fact why don't they excommunicate them for believing in murder? Orthodoxy is the most oxymoronic Faith in the world. They have dozens of such complete oxymoronic doctrines. (as I believe the 3 main heresies of modern Protestantism are war, adultery by second marriage {it was not always the case} and fake Alexandrian modern bibles, I feel it necessary to put murder in the Top 10 of Orthodoxy). This includes Historical proof of capital punishment, and mutilation of "heretics" and "sinners", yet claim to be pacifist. Also assaults on those "possessed by devils" or "the devil".

The relationship between "church and state" in Orthodoxy is so intermingled it is a certain heresy, as the state is always so corrupt in itself. and results in their church making saints out of murdering monarchs.


10) Traditions of men .

The great identifying characteristic of the fake religion called Judaism, that resulted in the Talmud, the multiplying of man made ideas has results in an Orthodox Talmud of human Traditions usurping authority over The Word of God, declare infallible by God himself. It results also in the "strange fire" heresy of the sons of Aaron.
 

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We who believe by faith, WERE saved by faith not by works....scripture is clear about that.....while we were yet sinners. At the same time we are BEING SAVED, and also we WILL BE saved in the end. Salvation is an ongoing work that had a beginning and has an end, and will be completed if we follow Christ and remain on the narrow path until the end. Jesus IS both the beginning and end of our faith....and we are not to despise the day of small beginnings...to do so would despise and underrate HIM and the magnificent thing He accomplished in our lives to begin with.

EO church believes one is born again through the sacrament of baptism. Wait a minute, I thought we were born again not by the will of man but by the will of God? And what good does baptism do if one is not first born again? They also believe receiving the Holy Spirit is another sacrament called Chrismation or Confirmation, just like the RCC. These are forms of Godliness that deny the power...from such we are to turn away. Even if they talk about holiness, that sounds nice in theory, but how does one become holy/spiritual without first being born of the spirit in fact, not just in theory by a ritual?

Jesus said to call no man on earth your Father or Rabbi (teacher).....we have only one Father and Teacher in heaven. There He was nailing both old covenant Judaism as well as that form of Christianity that clings to old covenant ways of the flesh (form of Godliness that denies the power) and elements of this world. Why do the EO and RCC cling to old covenant things.....priests, robes, incense, liturgy, rituals, tabernacle, titles, etc. The answer is because they are in the flesh, not in the spirit. It is because they have not the Spirit. I don't know what else to call all that but fallen from grace as per Galatians...apostasy.
I agree. In fact, for a few decades now, at least, in North America and other nations ,, I believe the majority of people in a church on Sunday morning are not saved. The Church has been warped into a "hospital for the sin-sick," and a place for the "seeker" to find God, and an industry and, as a result, the Church is crammed with false converts/consumers - and the spiritually poisonous "leaven" they bring with them (1 Co. 5:6; Ga. 5:9).
 
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I agree. In fact, for a few decades now, at least, in North America and other nations ,, I believe the majority of people in a church on Sunday morning are not saved. The Church has been warped into a "hospital for the sin-sick," and a place for the "seeker" to find God, and an industry and, as a result, the Church is crammed with false converts/consumers - and the spiritually poisonous "leaven" they bring with them (1 Co. 5:6; Ga. 5:9).

It's really more like a social club and they just attached the Name of Jesus to it and call it church.
 

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Sure. He's leading my husband and I to question Protestantism and learn about the history of Christianity

Why not put all that energy in to learning God's Word thru THE Teacher the Lord sent, the Holy Spirit?

The history of Christianity is chocked full of false doctrine because that's what the devil always does is continually seeking to choke God's Word as Jesus spoke about in Mark 4:13-20
 

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Why not put all that energy in to learning God's Word thru THE Teacher the Lord sent, the Holy Spirit?

The history of Christianity is chocked full of false doctrine because that's what the devil always does is continually seeking to choke God's Word as Jesus spoke about in Mark 4:13-20
It's our study of the Word that has led to us seeing a lot of issues with modern church.
 
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It's our study of the Word that has led to us seeing a lot of issues with modern church.
A lot of churches are now anti-works in theology. But this has led to a lack of charity towards the poor, lack of care for widows and orphans, huge buildings that feed and house no one.

I'll never forget early in marriage having our rent and electric bill paid by a Catholic church. While Im not Catholic, I respect this about them--- they help those in need in a way a lot of Protestants refuse to.
 
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A lot of churches are now anti-works in theology. But this has led to a lack of charity towards the poor, lack of care for widows and orphans, huge buildings that feed and house no one.

I'll never forget early in marriage having our rent and electric bill paid by a Catholic church. While Im not Catholic, I respect this about them--- they help those in need in a way a lot of Protestants refuse to.
There is far more than meets the eye my dear sister .
I have never seen more churches that constantly set up community centers
and do much works of feeding the poor . YET man do they lack in the ONE WORK
required for to be saved .
I see more institutions set up by todays churches
that are all about feeding the poor
all about having community centers
BUT man THE WORD is vacant and if one even dares
to preach the word at their love fest events
YOU can bet hims be run off faster than greased lightning
with words that follow sayin, HEY DUDE we aint here for that
OH you would marvel at how satan can use
the word love , SO LONG as they have no LOVE FOR GOD OR CHRIST
which in effect means they will have no love for their neighbor , no , not even for the poor they feed .
Cause if one is walking in darkness and is about to strike a bottomless pit
THEY WILL NOT warn them , THEY allow sin and UNBELEIF upon them . WE ALL BEING DECEIVED by men now .
My advice is if we love anything contrary TO GOD we are IN DIRE TROUBLE . but many love
what makes them feel good and feel save and feel religious , and feel spiritual . THEY just dont
seem to do what CHARITY would do . REJOICE IN THE TRUTH .
 
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Man what a reminder just came to me from the apostel paul
when writing to the galations .
Telling and reminding them of the LOVE they once had for paul
Even have given him their eyes
HAVE I NOW become the enemy because i tell you the Truth
 
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Really? What is the falling away about then, I wonder? and the Lord saying He would send strong delusion to all who received not a love of the truth? Spewing the lukewarm out of His mouth? Removing the lampstand? In the end His church is really only those who endure to the end and overcome.
He said that this would happen to many individuals - NOT the Church as a whole.
 
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I agree. In fact, for a few decades now, at least, in North America and other nations ,, I believe the majority of people in a church on Sunday morning are not saved. The Church has been warped into a "hospital for the sin-sick," and a place for the "seeker" to find God, and an industry and, as a result, the Church is crammed with false converts/consumers - and the spiritually poisonous "leaven" they bring with them (1 Co. 5:6; Ga. 5:9).
That's NOT your call to make. You are now in violation of Matt 7:1-3. You can judge any person's actions - but NOT there soul.
 
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I agree. In fact, for a few decades now, at least, in North America and other nations ,, I believe the majority of people in a church on Sunday morning are not saved. The Church has been warped into a "hospital for the sin-sick," and a place for the "seeker" to find God, and an industry and, as a result, the Church is crammed with false converts/consumers - and the spiritually poisonous "leaven" they bring with them (1 Co. 5:6; Ga. 5:9).
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