Learning about Orthodoxy

[Wynona]

I'm really grateful to those of you who gave provided testimonies, resources, and links.

I will continue reading them.

 

[Lizbeth]

I know I don't have authority amongst men as a female. Both by biblical mandate and because men just never took my arguments seriously. As a female, men just see me as someone needing to be taught.

I have no problem with this. I try to avoid arguing salvation doctrine for these reasons.

But I can say I think you and others are giving a knee-jerk reaction based on not knowing about Eastern Orthodoxy or their contribution to all of Christianity.

We don't need authority to have understanding sister. Or to simply discuss what we understand. Unless we think women are excluded from growing into the full stature of Christ....? Should we abdicate our free agency to men....but then I don't know how we can be helpmeets if we remain as children. We are to complement each other....as the women is not without the man, neither is the man without the woman.

I was told recently that I am mentally inferior because I'm a woman. (Gee, I never knew God was looking for mental superiority.) Lol, um, ok, then I will boast in my mental inferiority all the more so that God can be magnified, and His strength made perfect in my weakness. In truth my brain doesn't work so great at my age anyhow, so it's all good. More glory to God. :)

 

[David in NJ]

We don't need authority to have understanding sister. Or to simply discuss what we understand. Unless we think women are excluded from growing into the full stature of Christ....? Should we abdicate our free agency to men....but then I don't know how we can be helpmeets if we remain as children. We are to complement each other....as the women is not without the man, neither is the man without the woman.

I was told recently that I am mentally inferior because I'm a woman. (Gee, I never knew God was looking for mental superiority.) Lol, um, ok, then I will boast in my mental inferiority all the more so that God can be magnified, and His strength made perfect in my weakness. In truth my brain doesn't work so great at my age anyhow, so it's all good. More glory to God. :)

Lol, um, ok, then I will boast in my mental inferiority all the more so that God can be magnified, and His strength made perfect in my weakness. In truth my brain doesn't work so great at my age anyhow, so it's all good. More glory to God. :)

LOVED this

For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. 27But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29that no flesh should glory in His presence. 30But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— 31that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”

 

[Lizbeth]

Wanna hear another dream i had .
AND you see how well even this dream applies to exactly what is going on around us all .
In the dream i was digging down deep and then i came up into a room
full of many peoples .
They were all talking and discussing things
and then i noticed a message on the TV
and i knew that danger was coming . SO i walked up to a man
and told him , THE church has TO get into the wilderness , we must flee to the wilderness
And all of a sudden the entire countenance of the mans face changed , as if wisdom itself
was alive in him
AND guess what he told me , THE CHURCH ALREADY IS IN THE WILDERNESS .
Ponder on that for a bit sister .
OH yeah , ITS TIME TO COME YE OUT and go outside the camp with JESUS into the wilderness .
That dream was so vivid . I had it years and years ago , i think around two thousand
and eight .

Amen, wow. It's very concerning for many. And may we not be tempted to go back to Egypt as some of them were getting weary of the wilderness and hankering for the leeks and onions of Egypt.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

Those following the Lord and His Truth have no issues standing in the fire of disagreement because they know the Lord stands up for His Own Word and those following Him aren't bothered at all if other people disagree with God's Word.

Matthew 7:6
KJ21
“Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Matthew 10:14​

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New International Version​

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14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet.



I will say, I think you presence in this thread is extremely positive, but 180 degree different than you think. Basically people often act as foils for the things they fight against. And your arguing out of your ignorance does much more to help me than I could do by myself. So, thank you for that. :)

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Matthew 7:6
KJ21
“Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Yeah, you're right - I should quit trying to help those who have fallen in to the deception of "orthodoxy" by talking about God's Word.

And your arguing out of your ignorance

I'm speaking from the view point of God's Word, scripture so of course those claiming to be "orthodox" who admittedly accept ungodly teachings that come from outside of God's Word would claim those not in agreement with their extra biblical beliefs as being "ignorant"

It's funny that you people don't want to talk about your extra biblical beliefs which demonstrates the Whole Counsel of God is not accepted in so called "orthodox" churches which will end very badly for these folks.

 

[Wynona]

We don't need authority to have understanding sister.

I don't necessarily think authority and understanding are the same thing.

I used to argue Scripture and Doctrine all the time. I just never actually convinced anyone they were wrong and the men just naturally saw me as someone to teach. They weren't always correct. But it's up to men to teach doctrine, so I'm letting go.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

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Yeah, you're right - I should quit trying to help those who have fallen in to the deception of "orthodoxy" by talking about God's Word.






I'm speaking from the view point of God's Word, scripture so of course those claiming to be "orthodox" who admittedly accept ungodly teachings that come from outside of God's Word would claim those not in agreement with their extra biblical beliefs as being "ignorant"

It's funny that you people don't want to talk about your extra biblical beliefs which demonstrates the Whole Counsel of God is not accepted in so called "orthodox" churches which will end very badly for these folks.

For the most part, I don't believe there is truly something that is extrabiblical. When folks claim that it is usually based on a perception and not on the totality of the Bible and all the customs and spiritual principles that can be derived from scripture. I have seen this time and time again no matter what the topic is whether it is Mary, Iconography, Call No Man Father, etc. There often is more going on than just the stuff being brought up by the Protestant.


Probably the best way I can relate this is to compare this to Theories of the US Constitution. There are all kinds of theories and ways of seeing the US Constitution that claim to be Constitutional. I am an Originalist in my take on both Christianity and the American Constitution but even in that basic orientation there are some big differences on "What the Founding Fathers intended" on principle, "Strict Constructionism" etc.

Constitutional theory - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But as I have pointed out before if you study Church history most groups including heretical groups have a reverence for the Bible and are trying to follow its principles etc. Gnostic Sects, Manicheans, New Agers, and maybe Voodoo being the exception to the rule.


I have already mentioned Snake handling Pentecostals as a vivid example of how a proof text can be used, misused and abused. I will note in passing another one, namely Arianism. Now we cannot really discuss this topic due to terms of service issues but I am going to note in passing one issue of "being biblical", namely that of Proof texting (throwing out a dramatic sounding Bible verse as a gotcha thing vs. the opposite where your position is actually based on a empirical study of the Bible. There is a big difference between the two! Many Protestants like yourself and the ancient Arians tended to be proof texters, while the rest of ancient Christianity were more on the empirical end of things, that if you tied it with other things related to Church history etc.

And by the way things are not just about Tradition, there are other ones as well related to the Church as a Body that is led by the Holy Spirit. I am especially talking about terms like "Binding and Loosening" etc. mentioned in the Bible, "Things being established in the presence of two or three witnesses, and the fact that the disciples actually mentored the first bishops. Christianity is more that the Bible and Me under a Tree, it is actually a group and corporate thing per scripture and that is a fact!

BINDING AND LOOSING - JewishEncyclopedia.com

Complete contents the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia.

www.jewishencyclopedia.com