KingJ said:
There are many creationists there in the US you can ask. You do see I am in Africa? If you really want to harp on this with honesty, why don't you invite them? I can think of a couple that would definitely go.
So? Travel to the conference is still possible. Remember, you're claiming to have a solid scientific argument that disproves all of evolutionary biology. Surely something that historically significant is worth a plane ticket?
So mankind was not 'living' until God breathed life / consciousness? Intelligence does not make us accountable? Do you believe babies and mentally handicapped will be in hell? Would it be too much to ask you for scripture to support your view? You are not making sense and making belief based claims that are only known by you.
I never said anything like what you're talking about.
I believe God created mankind the same way He created everything else, by letting things happen on their own. At some point in that process, humans evolved sufficient mental capacity to be held accountable for sin, and that was the point at which God gave us His breath of life, i.e. a soul.
I don't want to be ugly, but it is in fact pre-middle school level. Yet you don't grasp it. It is basic math / basic English / basic question. You raise the argument of evolution taking place at a population level...how do you then explain it taking place with the one cell 3.5 billion years ago? I am truly flabbergasted / oblivious to how it can be justified.
Perhaps an explanation could be along the lines of populations of molecules existing within the cell. I really then have to question your honesty when you ignore the probability odds of one cell becoming us
If you're asking about how the first cells on earth arose....we don't know. That's what the field of exobiology is trying to figure out.
If you can't support your own arguments, that speaks for itself.
Did you really read it? The height of your bias is really really annoying. Here is another link for you
http://www.icr.org/article/chemistry-by-chance-formula-for-non-life/. Now before you reply with a ''chemistry doesn't happen by random chance'' acknowledge that this guy with higher qualifications then you is saying / proving that it...agh, I will just quote him..
The chemical control needed for the formation of a specific sequence in a polymer chain is just not possible through random chance.
There's that same straw man again. No scientist argues that those sequences evolved "by random chance". The fact that creationists can't argue against evolutionary theory as it actually exists, and instead have to invoke deliberately deceptive straw man versions should tell you something about their credibility.
Do you see my point? Scientists don't think so poorly of creationists because of some sort of satanic agenda or something; they do so because creationists like the ones you've cited are fundamentally dishonest. ICR, who's supposed to be among the top of the line creationist organizations,
deliberately puts out misleading material like what you copied, and people like you eat it up because you don't know any better (and because you'll give them the benefit of the doubt since they're telling you what you want to hear).
And ICR counts on that. They
count on you not bothering to check their arguments. They
count on you not understanding that evolution and chemistry are not "random chance".
Simply put KingJ, you're being lied to. Your own copy and pastes show it abundantly. The question is....do you care?
The synthesis of proteins and DNA/RNA in the laboratory requires the chemist to control the reaction conditions, to thoroughly understand the reactivity and selectivity of each component, and to carefully control the order of addition of the components as the chain is building in size. The successful formation of proteins and DNA/RNA in some imaginary primordial soup would require the same level of control as in the laboratory, but that level of control is not possible without a specific chemical controller.
Again, this is just ridiculously stupid. Reagents are put together and the products are generated on their own. Go back to the example I gave you earlier with hydrogen and oxygen. Do you honestly think the chemists who do that experiment are controlling the interactions of the atoms? Do you really think that if the scientists weren't there, the reaction would happen differently?
Do you really, truly believe that?
The building blocks of life cannot be manufactured by accident.
There it is again. Do you believe that chemistry occurs "by accident"?
The carnal mind cannot grasp many things. Why is that a surprise unless you are not saved? How did God come to be? What you are suggesting is that sin / evil can exist in God's presence. God, Creator of the universe and every particle in your body cannot stop a horse from stepping on a bug? If have have ever been under the anointing of the Holy Spirit you will grasp that God is pure / holy to the max. There is no evil / bug suffering in His presence.
Except what you and the ICR seem to be promoting is to shut our brains down completely and blindly believe whatever people claiming to be arguing for scripture tells us.
No wonder I bother you so much. People like me are a direct threat to you and your beliefs. I'm willing to, as a Christian, use my brain, and stand up and say that ICR is wrong on the facts. But to authoritarians who demand that we not use our "carnal minds" and just accept whatever ICR tells as as true without question, such objectivity is a direct threat and must be eliminated. That's why you lobby for me to be banned; that's why you say I should be made to "shut my mouth".
You wouldn't do any of that unless you saw me as a direct threat. So tell me KingJ, what is it you're scared of?
