UppsalaDragby said:
How is that relevant to anything I wrote?
Other people seem to understand, so I don't know why you're struggling to.
This Vale Of Tears said:
My impression is the exact opposite. Young Earth Creationists avoid science and make their case on a literalist interpretation of the Bible.
But you seem to contradict that below.
Not once has it been proven that one kind of organism turns into another. Adaptation within kind don't make the case for a complete transition of fish to reptile, etc. We have observed the opposite, that when two different animals are mated, the offspring is an inferior species, such as a horse and donkey produce a mule. Because mules are sterile, they are useless at perpetuating itself. All attempts at artificially inducing evolution result in freaks, an actual DE-evolution.
Isn't all that exactly what you just said creationists don't do, i.e., trying to make your case from science?
Secondhand Lion said:
I am not sure that anyone is questioning a new species.
You might want to discuss that with some of the other creationists here.
I am questioning how that information is extrapolated. What I am saying is that the information was simply duplicated in the plant. There would have to be new information added for it to become anything but a goatsbeard plant. Can someone prove everything evolution says by a plant that stays the same kind of plant? If it is enough for you, that is fine (its none of my business), it is not enough for me.
Ok, first of all you need to remember why you and I are even discussing the newly evolved species of
Tragopogon. KingJ was arguing that I would have to answer to God for telling kids that evolution is fact. I responded by I not only can
tell kids that evolution is a fact, I can
show them evolution happening in real-time, and I wondered why KingJ would have Christians deny the reality that is in God's creation.
You came along and now you're raising new questions about "information" and universal common descent, which while good topics to discuss, deviate from the reason I cited the newly evolved
Tragopogon in the first place.
So to reiterate my point, evolution
is a fact because we see it happen all the time. Thus, I believe telling kids that they have to deny this fact in order to be Christians is setting them up to fail.
Now, if you want to discuss "new information", we can certainly do so. I just don't want to lose sight of my original point to KingJ.
The paper does not have to be technical.
Every profession has it's own jargon. I can't expect to pick up a diesel engine manual and immediately understand everything in it, nor can I expect the same with a journal of cardiac surgery, computer networking, or just about anything else.
I guess if this topic truly interests you, you should take the time to learn the terminology and concepts. I find it hard to believe that people don't understand that to understand something like evolutionary biology and molecular genetics, you have to some work.