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I dont think trump had a good reputation before he became president, to many it was a joke that he even got elected. So I think it was based on his past lifestyle, which didn't exactly earn him much respect.
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I don't know of a person who was a Leader of any Nation who was of high moral standing yet !
The biggest Joke in the USA was Obama who was truly a total nobody, followed by the moron before him, Baby Bush what a jerk ! how did he get in ? because of his old man :rolleyes:.
How did Obama get in ? because he was partly a black ! and how did he stay in power ? he was claimed to be a black ? so the media would not challenge him, even on who he was or his past, it's all taboo ! Haha ! how stupid can a Nation get ! the bastard is a Islamic Satanist and he tried to destroy the USA, he even printed money to make himself look good, that is the dumbest thing anyone can do in fact, it just shows total ignorance. but he got away with all the stupid things that he did, only because the media covered all such up just to try to make their Satanic clown look good to fools.

Trump is the best President the USA has ever had so far. he is doing a fantastic job for the USA and the media are in total fear that with 2 terms he will be seen by even the village idiot as being the best President the USA has ever had, because the proof will be in the pudding. and the media will be exposed to look like the mongrel dogs that they truly are. not to mention the Socialist game plan will be exposed as well for what it truly is Satanism peddling Communism !
 
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The only thing that does concern me a little bit- over the last three months Brexit seems to have not dominated the news, and after the election the parties suddenly seemed to ' not argue ' as much about it. Was that acceptance of the inevitable or were ' the powers that be ' cooking up something new !
It's just the sudden turn around that slightly concerned me - but I am not sure why !
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Hi Rita,
My guess as to why the silence between the parties could be that they are in unison yet, do not want the people to know this? The powers that be all have their hands in our pockets :(
 
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We only ever had one vote about Europe- and it was only just over half of us that wanted out - so it wasnt the wish of everyone - but I totally agree with you about the media Reggie x
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But what if the media did not play the fear cards over the people as they did, what then % of would of wanted out.
The fear campaigning was relentless, so much so that the people had had a gut full of it, not to mention that they used this tactic to drive people so as to give up on it all, Cor blimey would they just leave it alone that I heard many say, they were driven around the bend and all so much, that they would give in just to make them stop the ranting.
But thank God that the English people wanted England back and all, from the meddling of the Germans and bloody French and all, in trying to lord it all over them.
 
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But what if the media did not play the fear cards over the people as they did, what then % of would of wanted out.
The fear campaigning was relentless, so much so that the people had had a gut full of it, not to mention that they used this tactic to drive people so as to give up on it all, Cor blimey would they just leave it alone that I heard many say, they were driven around the bend and all so much, that they would give in just to make them stop the ranting.
But thank God that the English people wanted England back and all, from the meddling of the Germans and bloody French and all, in trying to lord it all over them.
The vote could have gone the other way Reggie- many young people didnt vote, they trusted the older generation too much and thought they would vote to stay in.Then there were many who voted to leave because of the lies the politicians made - false promises ( so many voted to leave based on the false promises )What eventually drove us all nuts was the behaviour of Corbyn and the politicians bickering between themselves. That's why so many voted for Boris, they grew to dislike corbyn so much x
Still we made it in the end x
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Trump is the best President the USA has ever had so far.
I always find this a bit of a weird statement as he said he wants to make America great again - well ' again ' implies that it was a great nation before, so somewhere in your history a president must have got it right - so how can trump be the best one. It's always compared to Obama and Bush, but you have had alot more presidents than them.
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America great again - well ' again ' implies that it was a great nation before, so somewhere in your history a president must have got it right...
Whether you like it or not America was indeed a great nation at one time. Had it not been so England (and the rest of Europe) would have gone under the control of Hitler and the Third Reich. People forget quite easily about these matters. And *Great Britain* today is neither great not Britain. Londonistan proves that. And the appointment of Muslims to public office to further their own agendas also proves that. Not to mention the protection of Muslim criminals by the British police and government.

When Barack Obama took office his objective was to destroy America and he almost succeeded. And that is why Trump's slogan was "Make America Great Again". And in fact he is succeeding (even though he has made many mistakes) and allowed Obama-holdovers to undermine him (when there was no need to keep them in office). This so-called *whistleblower* was colluding with Obama and others to bring down Trump, and that has been recorded. So both Obama, Hillary, and all these traitors should really be behind bars (since the days of firing squads are long gone).

But the recent hateful attitude of the Brits towards Trump shows that they have forgotten what America did for England. Even Prince Charles tried to snub both Trump and Pence, which shows that he really has no class. The way he treated Diana already showed his character, and his royal privileges should have been taken away at that time.

And if Putin decided to grab all of Europe including the UK, and if America stood by and let it happen, your Prime Minister would be coming to America hat in hand for help. Let's never forget that Russia wants to dominate Europe and is already doing so in many ways.

The problem is that the British ruling class has maintained a disdainful attitude towards America, even though England was totally beholden to America. And let's never forget the the British intelligence services participated with the CIA, FBI, etc. to create a bogus *dossier* against Trump, so that the Democrats could perpetrate a coup against A LEGALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT. If that is not back-stabbing, I don't know what it.
 

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Whether you like it or not America was indeed a great nation at one time. Had it not been so England (and the rest of Europe) would have gone under the control of Hitler and the Third Reich. People forget quite easily about these matters. And *Great Britain* today is neither great not Britain. Londonistan proves that. And the appointment of Muslims to public office to further their own agendas also proves that. Not to mention the protection of Muslim criminals by the British police and government.

When Barack Obama took office his objective was to destroy America and he almost succeeded. And that is why Trump's slogan was "Make America Great Again". And in fact he is succeeding (even though he has made many mistakes) and allowed Obama-holdovers to undermine him (when there was no need to keep them in office). This so-called *whistleblower* was colluding with Obama and others to bring down Trump, and that has been recorded. So both Obama, Hillary, and all these traitors should really be behind bars (since the days of firing squads are long gone).

But the recent hateful attitude of the Brits towards Trump shows that they have forgotten what America did for England. Even Prince Charles tried to snub both Trump and Pence, which shows that he really has no class. The way he treated Diana already showed his character, and his royal privileges should have been taken away at that time.

And if Putin decided to grab all of Europe including the UK, and if America stood by and let it happen, your Prime Minister would be coming to America hat in hand for help. Let's never forget that Russia wants to dominate Europe and is already doing so in many ways.

The problem is that the British ruling class has maintained a disdainful attitude towards America, even though England was totally beholden to America. And let's never forget the the British intelligence services participated with the CIA, FBI, etc. to create a bogus *dossier* against Trump, so that the Democrats could perpetrate a coup against A LEGALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT. If that is not back-stabbing, I don't know what it.
Poor Diana was ignorant foolish and controlled by the Media, who would want such a mongrel in your family who only causes so much trouble. Charley could he dress himself, but he knows his place and has never made a fool of his self of Mum or Dad, Diana was way out of line in the family and sadly so common and cheap.
If it were not for the media workings in trying their best in making her look good to the masses, just like they did with Obama. but I feel sorry for the poor woman as she was lost and the media show controlled her life and it all spiralled out of control. it sure is hard for anyone to jump into the spot light like that.
But the Media wanted to create her into their Princess and they dubbed her, "The Peoples Princess" ? what does that truly mean ? nothing at all but that such a one is under the power and influence of the Media, like a Whore, of their own making and control. just like Pope Francis, the Media dubbed that Satanic bastard "The Peoples Pope" as well ! you remember every Pope before was hated by the Media and all that they did was hound them 24/7 but if you let the media control you then as long as they need you then you will be idolised.
The Queen gave up the Ghost as well, some years after Diana was killed and has a mob of outside minders that came in too control the public opinion, they are artist with the media, just as Pope Francis has did the same with outsiders coming into controlling the Church, doing just the same deal.
The Monarch is a Company business first and foremost and the RCC is a Company Business first and foremost, just as the Media is the same, but who controls them one may ask ?
The Pope was known to RCC as Gods Pope, now he is the Peoples Pope ? :rolleyes:
 

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I always find this a bit of a weird statement as he said he wants to make America great again - well ' again ' implies that it was a great nation before, so somewhere in your history a president must have got it right - so how can trump be the best one. It's always compared to Obama and Bush, but you have had alot more presidents than them.
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His administration is corrupt and riddled with cronyism and incompetence. The only redeeming part of Trump’s presidency is the manner in which he has shown the world the plethora of ways the office can be abused. And I thought the neocons were bold.....
 
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I think leaving the EU is a mistake. I also question the validity of the initial vote to leave. I am not British so it is not really my issue, but I do worry about the ramifications
 
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Enoch and Reggie , you have both missed my point - I wasnt comparing Britain with the USA when I commented about the statement ' President Trump is the best president we have ever had '
I was merely implying that it doesnt say much about your attitudes to the presidents in the history of the USA that had made it ' great ' in the first place or prior to the last few generations x
Enoch, really do you honestly believe that I forget about the US helping in the second world war - shame on you.
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Sorry, not getting into a slanging match about ' which country is better ' - as far as I am concerned corruption and manipulation is pretty much on both sides of the pond !
 
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I think leaving the EU is a mistake. I also question the validity of the initial vote to leave. I am not British so it is not really my issue, but I do worry about the ramifications
Time will tell, there would be ramifications either way x
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Enoch and Reggie , you have both missed my point - I wasnt comparing Britain with the USA when I commented about the statement ' President Trump is the best president we have ever had '
I was merely implying that it doesnt say much about your attitudes to the presidents in the history of the USA that had made it ' great ' in the first place or prior to the last few generations x
Enoch, really do you honestly believe that I forget about the US helping in the second world war - shame on you.
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I would say that Trump is the best President in USA history ever or that he will be or could be seen that way if he does 2 terms. he has the right attitude and drive that's needed to get the USA back on track, the only thing that's letting him down is others.
The situation in the USA is far more a problem than any other President had to truly deal with.

When I look at Australia PM's history they had it easy to the pressures played out nowadays with the media that we are seeing nowadays can be a real head kicker. the thuggery of the media on Trump is total hounding beyond anything in the past it's relentless.
I seen such hounding tactics with a Premier we had from 1968 to 1987 and then went for him for all that they were worth and when he retired, they went and use unlimited tax payers money and time to try and find one thing that he did wrong in all the 40 years he was in politics. and the poor degenerates found nothing at all.
His crime was exposing the Socialist, but if he had tax payer funded legal team he would of made them look like the real drongos that they were. but he had to use his own money to defend himself, but they exceeded in making him look bad in the eyes of simple narrow minded drongos who could not see past their own nose because Socialism was there god. and they would always make fun of him for being a Christian.
But now the Media have much more ways of playing the games than they ever did before, news is instant now for one and in the days gone by Presidents could sit on things and the demands were nothing to what is needed nowadays.
W Churchill would of been destroyed easy as, if he was under the spotlight that we can have nowadays, but WC had the media totally in the bag back in them days, so that he looked good just like Hitler did to the Germans because his media had to toe the line of they would be shot on the spot and it was the same with WC as well as they could not print anything unless it was given the go ahead, our Australian PM was treated like dirt by WC in fact WC stood all over our PM.
WC was a puppet for the Bankers first and foremost as was FDR and they never wanted that bastard Hitler killed because he was there man for the Job the only people who tried to kill Hitler were the Germans, Stalin was a puppet for the Satanic Bankers as well.
All wars are worked out well in advance for money, power or position and nothing other and the people are played for fools.

WC said on TV in 1965 that he could of won the War without firing a shot, but they had markets that they wanted and WC said that he could not give a rats that Germany was National Socialist at all or that Russia was Communist, because the Banks control them idiots easy as pie.
Look at North Korea all built on USA tax payers dollars, funny that ? they give enough money to keep the moronic army afloat. and look at China it's all manly USA money invested to build it up, if the USA never invested a cent, China would be worthy of nothing and living just like they were back in the 1940's. the Bankers can destroy China as easy as they did Germany with the depression they created and they can destroy the USA the same way, because the total fools are in massive debt.
 

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Any Nation that is in debt is a Slave, and when you understand that the Talmud Bankers see such as just as only dumb Niggers, that are just so easy as to walk all over such total backward ignorant morons. they despise them totally, I have seen them absolutely despise anyone who is not astute and the care factor is zero in fact. it's you loose ! casino banking, you were a fool and played the game and you lost it's as easy as that, they are not going to loose any sleep over such, I have seen it, they won ! they were smarter. that's the way that they see it, I dealt with business my whole life I seen it all. and not to mention that the majority were all total pricks who could not care about anyone at all but themselves. they would not lift a finger to help anyone, but jump on the chance to destroy another. they are just like Vampires and they were many a Lefty's in their as well, different but just as deranged if not worse, they play a game of jumping in bed with the extreme right and back into the extreme left, at first it thought this does not make sense, but I worked it out they are all Satanist and these type of bastards rule the world and they are dog cunning, like a wolf !

Why is the greatest most powerful Nation on earth so bankrupt ? no one could be so stupid ! it has been undermined by Satanist.
Now if the interest rates turn and they will and sharply if things crash, try 200% inflation like Germany found it's self in. then we will see the Hellfire that the Germans went through in the depression first hand and the idiots will be wanting Communism to come and save them just like the Germans did, but that was not the plan for the Germans because they were not as backward and pathetic as the Russians were, so they had another wonderful engineered trap set for them to fall into and I have to hand it to them it sure is a work of art.
I am not in the lurch I know the game, I know what they are going to do or say even before the morons open their mouth. most are not masters but just useful idiots and even they get bitten because they do not understand the games.
I had a mate who was the most cunning ruthless mongrel dog in industry, but he was taken for a ride as well many a time because he was wrapped up in the machine because he is an atheist and all atheist are morons. he even claimed to want to take on Islam, I said you are shadow boxing, how can you fight a opponent that you don't even understand, they will wipe the floor with such ignorance easy as pie, but Mick claimed strength and force of will wins out. now Mick is only a little bloke claims to be 6ft and 120kg and I said come at me with all you have got ! and bingo I got him in a wrist lock in a second and he went down hard and I said even a girl 5ft 50kg could of dropped him just like I did, as I used his strength to my advantage. I warned him years ago that the way that he was standing over people in business that he could end up dealing with the wrong bloke and he will clean him up like a dogs dinner, he flat refused to believe it :rolleyes: my old instructor was 66yo and 5ft 3 and he is still a smart arse as ever and Mick was with me at a sale and cam across old Sensei their, after I said Mick how do you think that you would go against him in a fight, Haha ! he did not know who he was.
 

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Well I must admit that I never thought this would actually take place, but in a few hours we will be leaving the EU - some will celebrate, others will be depressed........ I think I will be in the first group.
I am sure the transition will bring a few hiccups , and I am sure the press will manipulate and endeavour to stir the pot. The simple truth is that it is only the EU we are leaving, we will still be ' in Europe ' ..............
New beginnings , or perhaps just going back to how it was 47 years ago ......
So @Pearl , @charity - will you be celebrating or feeling sad tonight ?
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Hiccups? Things haven't even started yet. So far all we've seen has been talk and more talk.

I heard the news on the BBC and thought the British have fallen for another crazy line yet again. Has the UK really left the EU? What changed? All the rules and regulations are still there! How can Boris claim to be out of the EU when the EU rules are still the applicable law?

The big thing I saw changed was that there are no more British MEPs. So now France and Germany are calling the shots in Brussels. Everything else seems to have stayed the same. So what is there to celebrate about yet when so far the only thing that's happened is the loss of representation in the EU?

Oh yes, I forgot the "promise" to get things sorted out before the end of the year. I heard Boris talking about it being a great day in British history. But what has he accomplished in fact so far? It reminded me of Chamberlain's "peace in our time" comment. It looks like more hype to me.

Scotland and Northern Ireland are in an uproar and may want to break away. British fishermen are worried. No one seems to know what will happen to British people living on the Continent or non-British people living in the UK. Sorting the people out is one thing. Getting pets in and out will be another. There are so many things to be worked out in so short a time; and if we can judge the prospects for the future by how negotiations have gone in the past few years, things look dismal.

Then to add to all that, Boris decided to go the "easy" route with Hua-Wei. That is almost certain to create friction between the US and the UK then they try to negotiate a trade deal. It may pose security problems too. So what's going on? Is Boris going to start jumping though Beijing's hoops to save a little money since he's afraid to have 5-G cost a little more? Is he that short-sighted?

I wonder too how May's plan to get more British citizens educated to be doctors and nurses is going. Will the British ever be independent when it comes to health care, or will they perpetually depend on other countries to educate people and export their students to the UK?
 
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Reggie thanks for sharing, I do see where you are coming from, and yes the media does make it more complicated ( although it does also mean that people can find out more info for themselves - so I dont see it all as bad. Past propaganda achieved much because the person on the street didnt know any different.
Did you have to use the 'n' word- in any context it's not the best word to choose !
Many people in power achieve great things - doing away with the slave trade - now that was some achievement , wasnt it !?
I find it kind of sad the you think Trump is the best president , but it's your opinion and you are entitled to it , I guess history will reflect whether that will in fact be true.
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Your right, apart from having no mps in europe, nothing has change - I did kind of think the same when 11pm came and went - the real event will happen next january - andvthat very much depends on how Boris chooses to do things.
 
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...and that very much depends on how Boris chooses to do things.
Looks like Boris is already choosing to take England out of the frying pan and into the fire. Have you been following China's attempt to infiltrate the West through Huawei? Boris is happy to comply.

"Boris Johnson has signalled that he wants Huawei to be deployed in British 5G mobile networks in defiance of US objections and widespread concern from party colleagues that doing so would create a long-term surveillance risk..."

Boris Johnson hints at compromise over Huawei and 5G

First China sends out the coronavirus. Then it will plant another virus in every phone and computer through Huawei. So Boris Johnson is already showing that he is not up to leading his country out of slavery. Looks like England simply cannot come up with a Prime Minister who can think straight.
 

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Reggie thanks for sharing, I do see where you are coming from, and yes the media does make it more complicated ( although it does also mean that people can find out more info for themselves - so I dont see it all as bad. Past propaganda achieved much because the person on the street didnt know any different.
Did you have to use the 'n' word- in any context it's not the best word to choose !
Many people in power achieve great things - doing away with the slave trade - now that was some achievement , wasnt it !?
I find it kind of sad the you think Trump is the best president , but it's your opinion and you are entitled to it , I guess history will reflect whether that will in fact be true.
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I agree.

My Grand Dad was related to the Monarchy and he moved around in them circles and travelled the world working doing huge projects with a many contractors under his direction, doing works for the most wealthy people on earth.
The majority of people are only media educated, there opinions are as common as they come, not to mention they have no concept past such views or maybe what their union tells them, they never have an original thought, it's all trickle down process from a platform that they look up to. I have this mate who has retired and he likes to come and talk to me about issues, but with him if I talk about the foundations of a subject, he does not want to know, because he does not understand such things and does not want to been seen as ignorant, so he will cut me off and skip onto another subject.
But I remember my Grand Dad in the late 60's would make a comment on all the others, when they talked about WW2 and what they did etc etc and they did not like his opinion because he could expand on the weakness of there argument, because their foundations were lacking some what.
 
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