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This question was asked AI: If the Rapture of the Church occurred with over 2 billion people taken out of the Great Tribulation that just started and were caught up into Heaven, what advice would you give those left behind?

AI answer:

"Seek salvation and endure persecution
  • Repent and put your faith in Jesus: The Bible states that salvation will still be possible during the Tribulation. A great multitude of people from every nation will come to faith during this time. Your first step should be to repent of your sins and trust in Jesus Christ as your savior.
  • Understand the cost: Accepting Christ during the Tribulation will likely come at a heavy price. The Antichrist will demand worship and allegiance, and many new believers will be persecuted and killed for their faith. The Bible says, "the one who endures to the end will be saved" (Matthew 24:13).
  • Refuse the Mark of the Beast: The book of Revelation warns that anyone who takes the Mark of the Beast will be subject to God's wrath. No matter the hardship—including an inability to buy or sell—you must refuse this mark on your hand or forehead.

Prepare practically and spiritually
  • Find a Bible: Bibles will become extremely rare, and you will need to find one to understand God's plan and promises. Seek a physical copy, as electronics may fail or be used for control.
  • Avoid the new world religion: Do not attend any churches that remain, as they are believed to be controlled by the False Prophet. This false religion will promote deception and false miracles. Seek other true believers for underground fellowship instead.
  • Leave urban areas: Jesus advised those in Judea to flee to the mountains to escape persecution. Large cities and populated areas will likely be dangerous and tightly controlled by the Antichrist's forces.

Do not despair
  • Recognize the deception: The world will be flooded with propaganda and false explanations for the disappearance of millions of people. Do not believe these lies, such as stories of alien abductions.
  • Trust in God's provision: While life will be extremely difficult, the Bible gives accounts of God protecting and providing for his followers during times of severe trial. Seek wisdom and trust that God will help you endure.
  • Share the message with others: Your survival through faith can serve as a testament to others. Though you will need to be vigilant, you can help guide other people toward salvation.
  • Keep your eyes on the end: The Tribulation is not the end of the story. After this period, Jesus Christ will return in power and glory to establish His kingdom and bring the final defeat of evil."
_________<<<&<<<__<<________

Actually, I couldn't have summed it up better - not bad!
So the prize of eternal salvation is waiting for whosoever calls out to Jesus and asks for forgiveness and puts their faith in Him. Though you will likely suffer and die, you'll be saved.
 

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This question was asked AI: If the Rapture of the Church occurred with over 2 billion people taken out of the Great Tribulation that just started and were caught up into Heaven, what advice would you give those left behind?

AI answer:

"Seek salvation and endure persecution
  • Repent and put your faith in Jesus: The Bible states that salvation will still be possible during the Tribulation. A great multitude of people from every nation will come to faith during this time. Your first step should be to repent of your sins and trust in Jesus Christ as your savior.
  • Understand the cost: Accepting Christ during the Tribulation will likely come at a heavy price. The Antichrist will demand worship and allegiance, and many new believers will be persecuted and killed for their faith. The Bible says, "the one who endures to the end will be saved" (Matthew 24:13).
  • Refuse the Mark of the Beast: The book of Revelation warns that anyone who takes the Mark of the Beast will be subject to God's wrath. No matter the hardship—including an inability to buy or sell—you must refuse this mark on your hand or forehead.

Prepare practically and spiritually
  • Find a Bible: Bibles will become extremely rare, and you will need to find one to understand God's plan and promises. Seek a physical copy, as electronics may fail or be used for control.
  • Avoid the new world religion: Do not attend any churches that remain, as they are believed to be controlled by the False Prophet. This false religion will promote deception and false miracles. Seek other true believers for underground fellowship instead.
  • Leave urban areas: Jesus advised those in Judea to flee to the mountains to escape persecution. Large cities and populated areas will likely be dangerous and tightly controlled by the Antichrist's forces.

Do not despair
  • Recognize the deception: The world will be flooded with propaganda and false explanations for the disappearance of millions of people. Do not believe these lies, such as stories of alien abductions.
  • Trust in God's provision: While life will be extremely difficult, the Bible gives accounts of God protecting and providing for his followers during times of severe trial. Seek wisdom and trust that God will help you endure.
  • Share the message with others: Your survival through faith can serve as a testament to others. Though you will need to be vigilant, you can help guide other people toward salvation.
  • Keep your eyes on the end: The Tribulation is not the end of the story. After this period, Jesus Christ will return in power and glory to establish His kingdom and bring the final defeat of evil."
_________<<<&<<<__<<________

Actually, I couldn't have summed it up better - not bad!
So the prize of eternal salvation is waiting for whosoever calls out to Jesus and asks for forgiveness and puts their faith in Him. Though you will likely suffer and die, you'll be saved.
This is horrible. Scripture does not teach that anyone will get more opportunities to repent and be saved after Jesus comes and the we are caught up to Him. Your second chance salvation doctrine is a doctrine of demons.

Jesus taught that those who are left (behind) will all be killed, not left alive with another opportunity to be saved.

Please follow what Jesus taught here in relation to what will happen when He comes again and the rapture occurs.

Luke 17:26 “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 “It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31 On that day no one who is on the housetop, with possessions inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. 32 Remember Lot’s wife! 33 Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35 Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.” [36] 37 “Where, Lord?” they asked. He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.”

Let's start at the beginning to see what Jesus taught in this passage. First, in verses 26 and 27, He talks about the days leading up to His second coming being similar to the days of Noah that preceded the flood. Then He points out that "the flood came and destroyed them all". All who were left behind outside the ark were destroyed, in other words. Then He points out similar things about the days of Lot in comparison to the days leading up to the second coming of Christ and He again points out that all unbelievers who were not taken out from Sodom like Lot and his family were left behind in the city and were destroyed by fire.

Then Jesus points out that no one should try to save their possessions because it will be too late for anyone to do that and anyone doing that is too attached to the world and their life in this world instead of being focused on eternity and being with Jesus like they should be. Lot's wife is given as an example of how we can't be too attached to this world and our lives in this world. That is unacceptable to God for us to love our lives in this world more than we love Him. Lot's wife paid the price for loving the world and her life in this world more than God and that's a warning for everyone.

Then Jesus, using Lot's wife as an example, said that those who want to keep their life, like Lot's wife did, will lose it (will be killed) and whoever loses their life (is willing to give up their lives for God) will preserve it (will be spared and not killed).

Then we get to verse 34 where Jesus gives examples of two people being together with one being taken and one left. Those verses, in and of themselves, tell us nothing about what happens to those taken and to those left, but we can figure that out from the previous verses that speak of events where some were taken away and escaped God's wrath and some were left behind and did not escape His wrath, like in Noah and Lot's days. From those events, regardless of what it means to be taken and what it means to be left (there is some disagreement about that), we know that it means all people either survive Christ's second coming or they are killed. The ones who are left behind on the earth do not survive to face tribulation as pre-tribs like you believe. They are killed just as those left behind out of the ark were killed and those left behind in Sodom were killed.

Some people think the question the disciples asked at that point ("Where, Lord?") is related to where those who are taken are taken to, but I disagree with that. I think they are just asking where it will take place that one is taken and one is left and Jesus is saying it will happen wherever a dead body is found. Since His second coming is a global event, His answer to the question is basically "everywhere" since unbelievers all over the world will suffer His wrath and vengeance when He comes (2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-12).

So, this passage is a major problem for pre-tribs who think those left behind survive to live another day and then have to face "the tribulation". No, they do not. They will be killed.
 

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Do not despair
  • Recognize the deception: The world will be flooded with propaganda and false explanations for the disappearance of millions of people. Do not believe these lies, such as stories of alien abductions.
Where do you see a decription about any of this in scripture? It's nowhere to be found. There is absolutely nothing in scripture describing the consequences and ramifications of a supposed pre-trib rapture event. No descriptions of the utter chaos and destruction that would occur as a result of millions of people suddenly disappearing. Car crashes left and right, plane crashes, people completely freaking out and so on. It would be complete insanity going on all over the world. Nothing about such a thing at all anywhere in scripture.
 
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Where do you see a decription about any of this in scripture? It's nowhere to be found. There is absolutely nothing in scripture describing the consequences and ramifications of a supposed pre-trib rapture event. No descriptions of the utter chaos and destruction that would occur as a result of millions of people suddenly disappearing. Car crashes left and right, plane crashes, people completely freaking out and so on. It would be complete insanity going on all over the world. Nothing about such a thing at all anywhere in scripture.
One would have to use their imagination. I would surmise something similar but thought it was interesting how a machine can figure this out and someone that professes to be a Christian cannot!
This is AI, which gathers information from 5 billion books, millions of eschatological commentaries, skims through them in seconds and spits out an answer. Cool.
 

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One would have to use their imagination. I would surmise something similar but thought it was interesting how a machine can figure this out and someone that professes to be a Christian cannot!
We should not use our imagination to come up with things not taught in scripture.

This is AI, which gathers information from 5 billion books, millions of eschatological commentaries, skims through them in seconds and spits out an answer. Cool.
What are you talking about here? What does this have to do with what I said in my post? Where is the scripture which references what would happen if millions of people suddenly disappeared, which would be total chaos and destruction and confusion and families and friends being in despair?
 
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AMILLENNIALS PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND.
PREMILLENNIAL SAFE ZONE. I actually have all of you on ignor so, don't expect any more answers. Thank You!
I know, despite you saying this, you're still reading my posts, so I encourage you to read what I said in post #2 so that you can see what Jesus taught about what will happen to those left behind. He very clearly taught that they will all be killed. To teach that they instead will survive and get more opportunities to be saved completely contradicts what Jesus taught and is a dangerous thing to teach people because it can influence people to be complacent. Scripture teaches that NOW is the time and TODAY is the day of salvation, but pre-trib says people can wait until after the rapture happens to repent and be saved. No, that is not taught anywhere in scripture.
 

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This question was asked AI: If the Rapture of the Church occurred with over 2 billion people taken out of the Great Tribulation that just started and were caught up into Heaven, what advice would you give those left behind?

AI answer:

"Seek salvation and endure persecution
  • Repent and put your faith in Jesus: The Bible states that salvation will still be possible during the Tribulation. A great multitude of people from every nation will come to faith during this time. Your first step should be to repent of your sins and trust in Jesus Christ as your savior.
  • Understand the cost: Accepting Christ during the Tribulation will likely come at a heavy price. The Antichrist will demand worship and allegiance, and many new believers will be persecuted and killed for their faith. The Bible says, "the one who endures to the end will be saved" (Matthew 24:13).
  • Refuse the Mark of the Beast: The book of Revelation warns that anyone who takes the Mark of the Beast will be subject to God's wrath. No matter the hardship—including an inability to buy or sell—you must refuse this mark on your hand or forehead.

Prepare practically and spiritually
  • Find a Bible: Bibles will become extremely rare, and you will need to find one to understand God's plan and promises. Seek a physical copy, as electronics may fail or be used for control.
  • Avoid the new world religion: Do not attend any churches that remain, as they are believed to be controlled by the False Prophet. This false religion will promote deception and false miracles. Seek other true believers for underground fellowship instead.
  • Leave urban areas: Jesus advised those in Judea to flee to the mountains to escape persecution. Large cities and populated areas will likely be dangerous and tightly controlled by the Antichrist's forces.

Do not despair
  • Recognize the deception: The world will be flooded with propaganda and false explanations for the disappearance of millions of people. Do not believe these lies, such as stories of alien abductions.
  • Trust in God's provision: While life will be extremely difficult, the Bible gives accounts of God protecting and providing for his followers during times of severe trial. Seek wisdom and trust that God will help you endure.
  • Share the message with others: Your survival through faith can serve as a testament to others. Though you will need to be vigilant, you can help guide other people toward salvation.
  • Keep your eyes on the end: The Tribulation is not the end of the story. After this period, Jesus Christ will return in power and glory to establish His kingdom and bring the final defeat of evil."
_________<<<&<<<__<<________

Actually, I couldn't have summed it up better - not bad!
So the prize of eternal salvation is waiting for whosoever calls out to Jesus and asks for forgiveness and puts their faith in Him. Though you will likely suffer and die, you'll be saved.
So in yours and AI’s view can you still repent if you took the mark of the beast?
 
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. Scripture teaches that NOW is the time and TODAY is the day of salvation, but pre-trib says people can wait until after the rapture happens to repent and be saved.
No, you are misrepresenting what pre-tribbers teach.

pre-tribbers teach that today is the day of salvation. pre-tribbers also acknowledge that there will be people saved during the great tribulation. (do you not acknowledge that there will be people saved during the great tribulation? )

But pre-tribbers are not preaching being saved during the great tribulation as an option to being saved by belief in Jesus immediately; today is the day of salvation.
 

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No, you are misrepresenting what pre-tribbers teach.
I am representing what pre-trib can potentially lead people to think, which is true. The idea that people can be saved after being left behind despite Jesus saying those who are left behind will be killed is an accurate representation of what pre-tribbers teach. It's what the pre-tribber I was responding to is trying to teach. Maybe you should read his post again.

pre-tribbers teach that today is the day of salvation.
But, they also teach that someone could choose to just wait until the rapture occurs and then repent because they teach it's possible to do so after the rapture occurs. I'm not misrepresenting anything here.

pre-tribbers also acknowledge that there will be people saved during the great tribulation. (do you not acknowledge that there will be people saved during the great tribulation? )

But pre-tribbers are not preaching being saved during the great tribulation as an option to being saved by belief in Jesus immediately; today is the day of salvation.
What they teach can come across that way and that is a fact whether you acknowledge it or not. How can you deny this? Pre-tribbers claim that people can be saved after the rapture, so why would you think someone couldn't be influenced by that and decide that they will repent after the rapture occurs and not worry about it until then? Especially if they hear people saying that the rapture is going to occur soon.
 

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I am representing what pre-trib can potentially lead people to think, which is true. The idea that people can be saved after being left behind despite Jesus saying those who are left behind will be killed is an accurate representation of what pre-tribbers teach. It's what the pre-tribber I was responding to is trying to teach. Maybe you should read his post again.


But, they also teach that someone could choose to just wait until the rapture occurs and then repent because they teach it's possible to do so after the rapture occurs. I'm not misrepresenting anything here.


What they teach can come across that way and that is a fact whether you acknowledge it or not. How can you deny this? Pre-tribbers claim that people can be saved after the rapture, so why would you think someone couldn't be influenced by that and decide that they will repent after the rapture occurs and not worry about it until then? Especially if they hear people saying that the rapture is going to occur soon.
Amen teaching that people can be saved after the rapture is very dangerous and non biblical Jesus taught that the judgement happens right after

Matthew 25
31 “But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory.32 Before him all the nations will be gathered, and he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will tell those on his right hand, ‘Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; 35 for I was hungry and you gave me food to eat. I was thirsty and you gave me drink. I was a stranger and you took me in. 36 I was naked and you clothed me. I was sick and you visited me. I was in prison and you came to me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you a drink? 38 When did we see you as a stranger and take you in, or naked and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and come to you?’

40 “The King will answer them, ‘Most certainly I tell you, because you did it to one of the least of these my brothers,[a] you did it to me.’ 41 Then he will say also to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry, and you didn’t give me food to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink; 43 I was a stranger, and you didn’t take me in; naked, and you didn’t clothe me; sick, and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’

44 “Then they will also answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and didn’t help you?’

45 “Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Most certainly I tell you, because you didn’t do it to one of the least of these, you didn’t do it to me.’ 46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
 

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This question was asked AI: If the Rapture of the Church occurred with over 2 billion people taken out of the Great Tribulation that just started and were caught up into Heaven, what advice would you give those left behind?

AI answer:

"Seek salvation and endure persecution
  • Repent and put your faith in Jesus: The Bible states that salvation will still be possible during the Tribulation. A great multitude of people from every nation will come to faith during this time. Your first step should be to repent of your sins and trust in Jesus Christ as your savior.
  • Understand the cost: Accepting Christ during the Tribulation will likely come at a heavy price. The Antichrist will demand worship and allegiance, and many new believers will be persecuted and killed for their faith. The Bible says, "the one who endures to the end will be saved" (Matthew 24:13).
  • Refuse the Mark of the Beast: The book of Revelation warns that anyone who takes the Mark of the Beast will be subject to God's wrath. No matter the hardship—including an inability to buy or sell—you must refuse this mark on your hand or forehead.

Prepare practically and spiritually
  • Find a Bible: Bibles will become extremely rare, and you will need to find one to understand God's plan and promises. Seek a physical copy, as electronics may fail or be used for control.
  • Avoid the new world religion: Do not attend any churches that remain, as they are believed to be controlled by the False Prophet. This false religion will promote deception and false miracles. Seek other true believers for underground fellowship instead.
  • Leave urban areas: Jesus advised those in Judea to flee to the mountains to escape persecution. Large cities and populated areas will likely be dangerous and tightly controlled by the Antichrist's forces.

Do not despair
  • Recognize the deception: The world will be flooded with propaganda and false explanations for the disappearance of millions of people. Do not believe these lies, such as stories of alien abductions.
  • Trust in God's provision: While life will be extremely difficult, the Bible gives accounts of God protecting and providing for his followers during times of severe trial. Seek wisdom and trust that God will help you endure.
  • Share the message with others: Your survival through faith can serve as a testament to others. Though you will need to be vigilant, you can help guide other people toward salvation.
  • Keep your eyes on the end: The Tribulation is not the end of the story. After this period, Jesus Christ will return in power and glory to establish His kingdom and bring the final defeat of evil."
_________<<<&<<<__<<________

Actually, I couldn't have summed it up better - not bad!
So the prize of eternal salvation is waiting for whosoever calls out to Jesus and asks for forgiveness and puts their faith in Him. Though you will likely suffer and die, you'll be saved.
A Pre-Trib rapture doesn't exist in scripture, its only in the minds of those that follow the false teachings of John N. Darby 1830's and C.I. Scofield's 1909 reference Bible that maintains Darby's false teachings in the margins

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End)
 
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So in yours and AI’s view can you still repent if you took the mark of the beast?
No. “... If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb." REV. 14:9-10
 

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A Pre-Trib rapture doesn't exist in scripture, its only in the minds of those that follow the false teachings of John N. Dark and C.I. Scofield's 1909 reference Bible that maintains Darby's false teachings in the margins

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End)
Maybe so, but it is possible that He could not come like a thief if a Great Tribulation woke everyone up. Wouldn't they all suspect, "Ah, the catastrophies of the Bible are right in front of our eyes, happenning just as it is written - gee, this must mean the Lord is returning?"
Nope, it appears they won't suspect anything because He comes "as in the days of Noah, people were just going about their everyday business, getting married, getting a double double at In & Out, waiting in line for the movie Tron: Ares or Black Phone 2.
No, a Great Tribulation where more than half of people die on the planet would give it away - don't ya think?
 
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But, they also teach that someone could choose to just wait until the rapture occurs and then repent because they teach it's possible to do so after the rapture occurs. I'm not misrepresenting anything here.
No, they do not teach "someone could choose to just wait ". Pre-trib teaches today is the day of salvation.
 
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Pre-tribbers claim that people can be saved after the rapture, so why would you think someone couldn't be influenced by that and decide that they will repent after the rapture occurs and not worry about it until then?
Pre-tribbers don't teach that people could wait until after the rapture to be saved as an option if they so choose.

Pre-tribbers teach today is the day of salvation and be taken in the rapture before the 70th week begins.

Separate from any rapture timing view, the fact is that there will be people saved during the great tribulation. But it is not a desirable path to take.
 

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No. “... If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb." REV. 14:9-10
Then if the mark is literal that would contradict John 3:16 then wouldn’t it?
 

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One would have to use their imagination. I would surmise something similar but thought it was interesting how a machine can figure this out and someone that professes to be a Christian cannot!
This is AI, which gathers information from 5 billion books, millions of eschatological commentaries, skims through them in seconds and spits out an answer. Cool.

Too bad the AI can't recognize that Pretrib is a false doctrine, and is not even existing in the Scriptures (from my perspective). But I understand that there are different positions. Some believe that anything other than Pretrib is false doctrine. ;)
 
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No. “... If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb." REV. 14:9-10

Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Do you also believe sins like lying, adultery and murder cannot be forgiven since those sins also mean one goes to the LOF?
 
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Maybe so, but it is possible that He could not come like a thief if a Great Tribulation woke everyone up. Wouldn't they all suspect, "Ah, the catastrophies of the Bible are right in front of our eyes, happenning just as it is written - gee, this must mean the Lord is returning?"
Nope, it appears they won't suspect anything because He comes "as in the days of Noah, people were just going about their everyday business, getting married, getting a double double at In & Out, waiting in line for the movie Tron: Ares or Black Phone 2.
No, a Great Tribulation where more than half of people die on the planet would give it away - don't ya think?
God's words clearly teach the (Man Of Sin/ The Antichrist) will be revealed to the church upon earth, you falsely believe and teach the church won't be on this earth

2 Thessalonians 2:3KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
 
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